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USC Student: 'Police said I wasn't raped because he didn't orgasm'
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Mr. Blonde
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Dont forget that tucker reed is the one we discussed on here before that dated her 'rapist' for 2 years and only started this crusade after they broke up
Typographenia
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Got an email from someone on the board/staff/thing last week about this, saying they were investigating it and they don't tolerate any such sexual crimes or harassment to any student.
Some people stay with their abusers for a while. Doesn't mean it's not rape.
Mr. Blonde
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At the cost of not sullying their reputation, they're allowing a guy to go scot-free while the girl faces the endless trauma of being raped.
Their definition of rape is just so stupid. The moment she says "No" and he still forces his way, it's rape. There is no "he didn't orgasm" or "he pulled away and stopped" in it. He still forced his way in.
Their definition of rape is just so stupid. The moment she says "No" and he still forces his way, it's rape. There is no "he didn't orgasm" or "he pulled away and stopped" in it. He still forced his way in.
It would be interesting to know all the facts in the "didn't orgasm" case. Did he stop because she asked him to stop or for another reason?
When do you guys think sex becomes rape? In otherwords, what if the girl you are with is in to it but midway through changes her mind and asks you to stop. Obviously at that moment you should stop but does everything that transpiered before she said stop suddenly count as rape too?
When do you guys think sex becomes rape? In otherwords, what if the girl you are with is in to it but midway through changes her mind and asks you to stop. Obviously at that moment you should stop but does everything that transpiered before she said stop suddenly count as rape too?
peanutbutterlatte
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It would be a much more difficult case to argue, put it that way, but it's still rape.
d'artagnan
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In most jurisdictions around the world it is a legitimate defence to a rape complaint if you can demonstrate you had reasonable grounds to believe that consent was present. It has to be this way otherwise every sexual encounter everywhere would require signing forms in triplicate to establish explicit consent from both parties to intercourse in order to indemnify everyone involved.
Of course, in almost every jurisdiction, consent can be withdrawn at any time. Continue after that point and it becomes rape.
It may well be in the case where the woman claims to have been told that because he stopped it wasn't rape, that the cops were satisfied based on any investigation that the guy could demonstrate reasonable grounds for consent and that he stopped as soon as it was clear that consent was not present. In which case it wouldn't be rape.
MilesWebber
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Ah, the old "just the tip" defense.
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
gutter_trash
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charge the university cop for aiding and abetting a rapist
Right, and the longer it goes unreported, the bigger a deal and worse the reputation hits they get. They should get out in front of it and start changing their devil may care attitude and actually start caring about the allegations.
Basically Universities should be caring about the allegations better than they are. The fact that things like this happen is the sad part.
Pickles the Firecat
Banned
Unfortunately a friend of mine was raped as a USC sophomore and almost had her life ruined. Staff and faculty refused to support her, and the guys friends harassed her to the point where she had to unenroll and basically start her life over elsewhere. It was miserable.
I don't want to turn this into a Greek thread, but this is not a Greek problem. It's not an athlete problem. It's not a collegiate problem. It's not an alcohol problem. It's a "some people are rapists and need to have justice applied to them" problem, which exists far outside of college campuses.
I don't want to turn this into a Greek thread, but this is not a Greek problem. It's not an athlete problem. It's not a collegiate problem. It's not an alcohol problem. It's a "some people are rapists and need to have justice applied to them" problem, which exists far outside of college campuses.
Price Dalton
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How do you figure, if everything before the "stop" was consensual?
Exactly. Trying to lump it in with other mass generalizations weakens the position and makes it easier to dismiss.
I think we overestimate the number of people on GAF that actually went to college/university. Seems like these America Pie stereotypes overwhelm the reality for some posters.
Exactly. And that's awful about your friend, I had no idea. Most of my friends who went to USC had an amazing experience, but I'm not sure if any of them ever had to deal with their administration in this way.
What an awful, horrifying story. I'm glad it got out. Maybe now she can get some justice.
Partial Gamification
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I would say that as a systemic problem there is a cultural aspect to this behavior. Not that any one of these organizations should be dissolved, or would be, but there are enclaves that exist on campuses that enable this behavior. It is not clear-cut and I can't point fingers without broad strokes, so I am wrong in that respect. At the same time, these are academic institutions that do need to foster a socially engaged community that hopefully is seeking to educate about, and address, these situations. There are some great Greek organizations. There are Greek organizations that do not foster respectful behavior. I don't know how to address this, having 13 people come forward is just alarming. Its like people in the US should just be put in straightjackets and chastity belts if they want to go out in public or the person is a minor.
Aaron Strife
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You know, I always hear this "the schools cover it up so their image isn't tarnished" line whenever something like this happens.
Wouldn't the school's integrity look 1000x better if they actually went after students and faculty who raped or abused other students? I mean holy shit, I know a lot of parents live in La La Land where they don't like to imagine anything like this happening, but I would feel a lot more comfortable sending my kid to a college where I know acts like these, if they do happen, will be handled properly instead of being swept under the rug so Johnny can still play on the football team.
And fuck the sympathizers who say "Oh they're just boys, they don't know what they're doing" In college, and even in high school you are grown fucking men, and if "Hey kiddo, respect women and don't put your dick in without asking" wasn't lesson #1 of not being a fucking asshole someone fucked up.
Wouldn't the school's integrity look 1000x better if they actually went after students and faculty who raped or abused other students? I mean holy shit, I know a lot of parents live in La La Land where they don't like to imagine anything like this happening, but I would feel a lot more comfortable sending my kid to a college where I know acts like these, if they do happen, will be handled properly instead of being swept under the rug so Johnny can still play on the football team.
And fuck the sympathizers who say "Oh they're just boys, they don't know what they're doing" In college, and even in high school you are grown fucking men, and if "Hey kiddo, respect women and don't put your dick in without asking" wasn't lesson #1 of not being a fucking asshole someone fucked up.
Tylahedras
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Its very difficult under some circumstances to actually say stop. What if you are VERY drunk or on drugs? What if you are scared because the person is being physically aggressive with you?
I'm not sure what the law says, I assume that for it to be considered rape the girl must either have made it clear the answer is no, or have been unable to say no. Such as being passed out or physically & verbally restrained?
fabricated backlash
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I have no words for this... I just don't.
Winterfang
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Let's be honest. Who would send his/her daughter to a school with documented cases of rape?
People who realize that rape can happen anywhere? I'd be surprised if there was a single college institution in this nation where a rape has not occurred. I would rather know that the school took these crimes seriously instead of pretending they didn't happen.
The authorities involved should be reprimanded and each case should get a full investigation, what world do we live in where a girl gets assaulted and people just shrug it off...
Aaron Strife
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Can you name one school without any instance of rape, documented or undocumented?
Look, it's not something I'd count on when sending someone to school, but if it's going to happen, it needs to be dealt with. You could say the same for murder or theft or any other crime. There's a reason there are laws addressing these things. They happen.
I mean, frankly, it's better for the University to deal with it swiftly and harshly internally rather than it reaching national media like this case.
Rape is seriously under reported on college campuses as compared to the regular populace, that much is true. Reading through those statistics in one of my Sociology survey courses were incredibly depressing. Granted, the cases studied were in the 80s and 90s, so hopefully we are better, but it is a true problem.
I mean, we still have a situation in most universities where drinking policies make it more hazardous to underaged students. Certain schools do a great job of making health services available and eliminating risk of MIP prosecutions - for the sake of public safety. They'd rather have students calling professional to save their peers lives rather than trying to quietly take care of their friends.
There was a sad incident my Senior year of a sophomore kid dying in one of the dorms from alcohol poisoning because his friends were afraid to call the RA. Tragic and completely preventable.
Rape is seriously under reported on college campuses as compared to the regular populace, that much is true. Reading through those statistics in one of my Sociology survey courses were incredibly depressing. Granted, the cases studied were in the 80s and 90s, so hopefully we are better, but it is a true problem.
I mean, we still have a situation in most universities where drinking policies make it more hazardous to underaged students. Certain schools do a great job of making health services available and eliminating risk of MIP prosecutions - for the sake of public safety. They'd rather have students calling professional to save their peers lives rather than trying to quietly take care of their friends.
There was a sad incident my Senior year of a sophomore kid dying in one of the dorms from alcohol poisoning because his friends were afraid to call the RA. Tragic and completely preventable.
SquiddyCracker
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Here's a transcript of the recorded offered to the police:
http://coveredinbandaids.tumblr.com...es-a-rapist-look-like-and-how-does-he-come-to
http://coveredinbandaids.tumblr.com...es-a-rapist-look-like-and-how-does-he-come-to
So it's not a case of "he said, she said", but the police department actively protecting rapists.
Yeah, but the reality is that the first University that breaks from the habit of downplaying the numbers and/or attempts to encourage reporting of the crime, will appear to have numbers significantly higher than other institutions around it.
If University A has 100 reported rapes a year v. University B having 10, no parent is going to dig further, or care when University A says, "well, it's because we take every report seriously and honestly report our numbers." They're simply going to assume that University A is 10 times more dangerous.
peanutbutterlatte
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Because there was still non-consensual stuff, I guess. As I said, it'd be damn hard to argue, but if a girl asks you to stop, you stop.
EDIT: Not afraid to admit that transcript makes me feel physically ill to read.
Devolution
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Not surprising at all. Know of a couple times when the students went to the Uni only for the Uni to put both people together for counseling. Gross fucks.
This. As much as university police like to claim they are exactly like a real police force, they really aren't--my few experiences with them have been awful and that's saying a lot as my experiences with actual police have been less than stellar as well.
Is there any logic behind limiting reports to 180 days after the event? That seems likely to be why the recorded admission of rape was ignored--it took place years after the incident.
Campus police clearly should have put the student in contact with real police, at that point. But I can't even figure out why you'd have a 180 day limit on crime reporting without some official mechanism in place for getting the complaint transferred to somebody that can and will handle it.
Campus police clearly should have put the student in contact with real police, at that point. But I can't even figure out why you'd have a 180 day limit on crime reporting without some official mechanism in place for getting the complaint transferred to somebody that can and will handle it.
GoddyofAus
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The American Judicial system is broken.
Devolution
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It's not so crazy at all. This is why I recommend people read more about rape and feminism outside of these horrible stories. The shock wears off when you realize just how far behind we are in doing the right thing. Not to mention the scores of untested rape kits.
PorcellainThrill
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Oh god reading this hurts.
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