Oh... The scout, the sniper, the lancer things. So it's not me sucking? phew.
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Oh... The scout, the sniper, the lancer things. So it's not me sucking? phew.
KnightHart
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The ranking system is something that seemingly stays the same across all 3 games.
I decided to revisit VC3 last night, and got up to chapter 3 in it. I got S rank in every mission up to that point by blitzing the enemy with scout and shock trooper rushing.
It seems really silly in the early game. However I remember in the mid and late game across all 3 games in the franchise it becomes really difficult. As in without looking at a guide it might take you a lot of retries, luck, and a lot of planning ahead. Basically the game rewards you early on for rushing, but starts to punish you a lot more for acting aggressively and essentially wasting CP's later on.
Because people go on so much about that I actually tried it.
It doesn't really work all that well, at least for the first 9 chapters on your first playthrough. It mostly leads to dead scouts.
Yeah, you should do those later.
Tempesta di Fuoco
Banned
I get a lot of framerate drops based on the first battle, which is surprising. Not sure why.
it's just a random recruit you get after chapter 7 I believe. My line of thought was "she looks awfully young to be a shocktrooper, how old is sh- wait, 12?! I thought we were supposed to be the good guys"
plenty of other soldiers are 15 or 16 as well, heh
Just finished chapter 13, even with A-rank.
Felt good.
I needed two tries for it. I spawned way too much people in my first one at the two first spawn points and in the end my rather weak strike force was pretty bad cut down. Also I drove the Edelweiss in both tries in the trench and was not able to drive it back out. I don't know if it was because it didn't have enough power backwards or if I finally encountered the ledge bug.
But after knowing what will happened that I could completely ignore the bunkers, I just rushed through the middle. And in this mission I actually needed every single class, which was nice. I cleared the trenches with Marina, rushed the rocket camp with Alicia and Freesia and then positioned them in the next trench. Called one more scout, a engineer and a lancer to attack the final camp from behind.
But after knowing what will happened that I could completely ignore the bunkers, I just rushed through the middle. And in this mission I actually needed every single class, which was nice. I cleared the trenches with Marina, rushed the rocket camp with Alicia and Freesia and then positioned them in the next trench. Called one more scout, a engineer and a lancer to attack the final camp from behind.
Bad chapter to get to sleep with
Have you disabled in-game V-sync?
Most scout rushing tactics require some Orders buff (at least defense up) if the scout wants to survive. Still you can do it without them early on pretty efficiently. Scout+orders are completely broken though.
In tight places they are. But in more open positions they're low range makes them as defense less effective than a scout. Shocks are nice if you need high resistance and firepower in close range and when they turn elite they get flamethrowers. Absolutely necessary for every sadist who want to see the Imps burn.
Yes, in general they are sadly inferior to scouts for most goals. But there were some moments where I really liked them.
TatteredHat
Member
Is there a certain point you need to reach before you can get achievements? I can't find the in-game medals yet either, even though by now I should've atleast have had the Crimson Heart for rescuing a downed soldier.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
As I remeber, Galia is a neutral nation and military service is obligatory.
Well, he is Squad leader because his dad was some sort of militar genious and, later one, the game makes clear he is low chain and sending to do
suicide ill-advised missions made by a incompetent noble in the military
Selvaria blows up most of the military
You get access to ingame medals after chapter 09, when
you saved Cordelia
Yes, it was actually at some point part of the empire, which is why it has a Archduke instead of a king at the top.
TatteredHat
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Great, thanks. I have played the PS3 version but didn't remember when the medals were supposed to show up.
I disagree... Ingineers are indeed worthless with the ranking system, but all classes are useful, especially if you're not overpowered because you leveled-up with skirmishes.
Snipers are really good to kill enemies while sparing displacement, and with retreat/dispatch from bases, they can cover a lot of ground. And a good sniper with anti-tank weapon can do far more than a scout can do against armored troops, and from afar...
Shocks may not be great as offensive tools, but they still can kill several enemies instead of one, and they're great for killing enemies... during the enemy turn. Place carefully two shocks, and you can kill half a dozen careless enemies during the IA turn, and that's REALLY satisfying.
Lancers have their use, too, for example with mortar... It seems useless at first, but there's a lot of uses. Including killing the super-tank with the three radiators in a single blow (instead of waiting a couple of turns each time you destroy one radiator
Shocks may not be great as offensive tools, but they still can kill several enemies instead of one, and they're great for killing enemies... during the enemy turn. Place carefully two shocks, and you can kill half a dozen careless enemies during the IA turn, and that's REALLY satisfying.
Lancers have their use, too, for example with mortar... It seems useless at first, but there's a lot of uses. Including killing the super-tank with the three radiators in a single blow (instead of waiting a couple of turns each time you destroy one radiator
The fact that scouts are probably the easiest way to 'win' doesn't mean it's the only option. I'm pretty sure that you can get highest ranks with little to no use of scouts, actually (now, I want to do a no-scout game... it'll probably be what I'll do as soon as I replay it, in fact).
Yes, they can be really valuable, by killing enemies during enemy turn, by killing 3 or 4 enemies in a single action (I don't remember when you get the alternate weapon, but it's especially great for this) or with their abilities.
Actually, besides the range of the scouts, I prefer playing with shocks.
Shocktroopers are best for interception fire. Edy's Detachment scenario basically tests your understanding of maximizing how many things you can kill during the enemy's turn.
edit@above: I don't think Scouts are inherently overpowered in a general mechanics balance. The only reason they're 'OP' is because of how the game's ranking system works, which essentially works best for Scouts and their insane move range. I mean, if kill rate factored more into it, that 'OP' distinction would probably be relegated to simply speedrunning the game, rather than getting a ridiculous amount of XP/DC on top of that compared to other approaches.
edit@below: Yes.
OCD edit: While we're on the topic of farming XP/DC, after Ch12
Doing Windmill Plaza skirmish on Normal in 1 turn is 56k XP for 5 minutes of work. Strat below
-Deploy Sniper, Alicia left side, Rosie Largo right side for CP.
-Sniper snipes the Shocktrooper and Scout between starting position and Heavy Tank
-Alicia beelines for the left of the Heavy Tank, and ends turn with the truck between her and the tank. Because of the way the Heavy Tank's machine gun works (needs to track, rear arc only) you take minimal damage in the split second when you go past the Heavy and before in the cover of the truck.
-Alicia beelines to behind the Sniper and Gatling Gun, bombs sniper, then takes out Gatling Gun with sustained fire (a few CPs), then captures flag
-If Alicia is having problems running past Heavy Tank because of lower level/equipment, the Defense Up and Evade Up orders help a ton
-Sniper snipes the Shocktrooper and Scout between starting position and Heavy Tank
-Alicia beelines for the left of the Heavy Tank, and ends turn with the truck between her and the tank. Because of the way the Heavy Tank's machine gun works (needs to track, rear arc only) you take minimal damage in the split second when you go past the Heavy and before in the cover of the truck.
-Alicia beelines to behind the Sniper and Gatling Gun, bombs sniper, then takes out Gatling Gun with sustained fire (a few CPs), then captures flag
-If Alicia is having problems running past Heavy Tank because of lower level/equipment, the Defense Up and Evade Up orders help a ton
I see it hardly mentioned so keep in mind there is a difference between Male and Female Shocktroopers, besides the Potentials etc.
Male ones shoot their clips like Sanic which leads to being better at intercepting fire and Female ones take maybe 2x as long? Which I found much better when lining up shots to take 2 or more units out at once.
Male ones shoot their clips like Sanic which leads to being better at intercepting fire and Female ones take maybe 2x as long? Which I found much better when lining up shots to take 2 or more units out at once.
That's mostly what I'm saying, though?
Except than I'm not sure it's really 'OP', even with the ranking system. Easiest to pull, probably, but that's only if scouts are leveled enough to be able to run through the field without dying, which is not a given without leveling.
Both lancers and shocks can deal with more enemies than scouts in a single turn (shocks even during enemies turns), and who need move range when a sniper can kill an enemy at the other side of the map without having to move?
I may find fencers in VC2 more 'broken' than scouts in VC1... Especially when their only problem, range, can be virtually voided by double move/double action...
I have the same feeling with Advance Wars... Yes, Sami infantry rush can wipe a lot of maps really quickly and get S, but that's not the only solution. And that's even with an arguably better ranking systems that gives only 1/3 of the score to speed (other 1/3 being defence and offence)
Yeah, I'm mostly agreeing with you. But what I meant is, going back to the whole XP farming efficiency thing, scouts are OP not just because they get A-ranks, but because they do it fast. Getting an A-rank in a skirmish in 1 turn vs 3 turns on a map that has a 3-turn requirement for A-rank is a huge step-up in efficiency.
If the ranking system were modified to prioritize e.g. kill count, or bases taken, etc, where bum-rushing the goal in 1-turn actually nets you less XP than if you were to take the time to clear everything out, then there's at least there's less incentive to zoom right to the goal.
StarCreator
Member
Reading up on all the chapter 7 strategies: am I the only one that
uses shocktroopers to approach the tank without bothering to break the turrets?
Why wouldn't you destroy the turrets? Until the tank destroys the first wall, there is not much else to do. The wipe of the soldiers in the field takes half a turn.
I think, yes.
Finished chapter 11 a few minutes ago and got an A rank .
Farewell Isara.
With regard to the crashing on exit from the forced squad selection in Chapter 3, my experience (based on having several goes) seems to be that you need to pick your squad but NOT actually do any training or R&D (you still have to visit those sections though as it reminds you to do a full tour of headquarters).
Using this method I managed to get a squad I liked and not have it crash. You can save immediately afterwards and then go back in and do the training and R&D.
Using this method I managed to get a squad I liked and not have it crash. You can save immediately afterwards and then go back in and do the training and R&D.
VindictiveGnome
Member
I remember one of the DLCs gives you an awesome gun if you beat it. Should I go through it before going very far in the game?
Ruhm? It virtually breaks the game. I think it was meant as a NG+ fun toy. Nothing's stopping you from going nuts with it though. Selvaria's DLC is a little challenging though.
The other DLC skirmishes (class challenges) do give ridiculously good guns too via Ace loot, but as those are tied to in-game progression they're extremely tough to beat before endgame.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I think it was mentioned earlier that disabling the Steam overlay should resolve any crash issues.
Suzushiiro
Banned
Yeah, and the reason why your team is a rag-tag band of weirdos with relatively lax disciplinary standards is because you're the "B-team" militia, not the "real" army. And then in VC2 they send military academy students to war because it's a civil war and they're not allowed to use the militia for internal conflicts or something like that.
Appreciate the advise guys. I've seen my shocktroopers mow down oncoming enemies a few times so I'll keep that in mind.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
The Bothtec games have an even longer lineage, so they could go with.
Great work on the modding tools, Sectus. This and being able to extract models into Blender is all exciting, at least for cosmetic purposes.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
I'm getting some bizarre graphical errors with floating objects and dislocated limbs... I'm told it's a hardware issue, anyone know how to fix?
That's one of the sniper's perks
I'm not having an problems with limbs like that, but I do have issues with characters who have accessories like sometimes there will be a floating pair of binoculars following my scouts around and Wavy's glasses are always either inside his head or floating above his shoulder.I'm getting some bizarre graphical errors with floating objects and dislocated limbs... I'm told it's a hardware issue, anyone know how to fix?
Tempesta di Fuoco
Banned
Nope, I'll try that. I am playing on a TV though, so I'm always iffy about disabling V-Sync
...There's definitely a bug at 60 FPS with interception fire. If I try to Scout rush Chapter 11 with defense and caution order, I get destroyed. If I Cap it at 30 FPS I take like half the damage.
I was first made aware of it in this thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/294860/discussions/0/624075036308203868/
I was first made aware of it in this thread: http://steamcommunity.com/app/294860/discussions/0/624075036308203868/
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Could I get some help with GeDoSaTo? This is the first time I'm downsampling a game, so I was hoping someone could help this newbie out:
-This is how I'm currently using the program: I start GeDoSaTo, then start the VC configuration screen, then I select the prefered resolution, then I start the game. It seems to work right, I think the cutscene I played to test 3840x2160 was sharper than usual, though I might be mistaken. Is that how I should use GeDoSaTo or am I doing something wrong?
-Does it matter if the selected resolution is 4x/16x your normal resolution? My monitor is 1920x1080, should I stick with 3840x2160 and 7680x4320 exclusively?
-I didn't edit any parameters in the .ini files, should I?
-This is how I'm currently using the program: I start GeDoSaTo, then start the VC configuration screen, then I select the prefered resolution, then I start the game. It seems to work right, I think the cutscene I played to test 3840x2160 was sharper than usual, though I might be mistaken. Is that how I should use GeDoSaTo or am I doing something wrong?
-Does it matter if the selected resolution is 4x/16x your normal resolution? My monitor is 1920x1080, should I stick with 3840x2160 and 7680x4320 exclusively?
-I didn't edit any parameters in the .ini files, should I?
phoenix296
Member
PC is hard mode confirmed. Sounds like a similar bug to Dark Souls where durability loss is tied to framerate rather than game time. I don't know how easy that will be to fix so we may be stuck with it.
I don't think that's entirely true. You can make the sightline go from yellow to blue by walking behind a tree or something.
Dictator93
Member
What is with japanese devs and tying game values to framerates?
phoenix296
Member
Since most Japanese developers develop for consoles I assume it's standard practice there as the framerate is no where near as variable as PC. You can even find it some western games such as the recent Need for Speed where your car would move twice as fast at 60fps.
Ahahaha hahaha, oh man, mission 14 haha
edit:
My first try went terrible wrong, although I suspected as much. I knew that something was up, when face with this little resistance, especially with Alicia wrecking shit for me. But the ambush was far bigger and the new target far more out of range than I thought. I didn't help that I tried to kill the units in the south with a sniper, but the game immediately respawned new ones in the following round.
But with the knowledge of what happens I prepared myself next round. I let Alicia take out everything but the Ace guy in the trench and positioned my troups. A tank north, a tank south, one accompanied by two lancers, one by one lancer and one engineer, with a Scout waiting at base to take it over at any time. Apparently I overprepared, the tanks didn't take much more damage than a normal tank and I only go a B. lol
Pretty lame, when you know what to do and imo impossible if you don't know what's coming and where it's coming.
But with the knowledge of what happens I prepared myself next round. I let Alicia take out everything but the Ace guy in the trench and positioned my troups. A tank north, a tank south, one accompanied by two lancers, one by one lancer and one engineer, with a Scout waiting at base to take it over at any time. Apparently I overprepared, the tanks didn't take much more damage than a normal tank and I only go a B. lol
Pretty lame, when you know what to do and imo impossible if you don't know what's coming and where it's coming.
Wait, there is a choice? So far I only seen a choice between Easy and Normal when playing Skirmishes.
edit:
I see lol. Hardmode it is.
About shocks and enemy turns... (and possibly also your own turns when facing shocks)
It's really important to understand that their "AI" algorithm is "turn if you're not facing the enemy, fire if you're facing it". And that they are turning SLOWLY.
Thus, if you want maximum efficiency, you need:
- to end your turn with the shocks in the good direction, facing the incoming enemies, and rather turned a little bit in the direction they're going
- to avoid putting them too close to their path: the closest they are, the hardest the turn they have to make. Too far and they won't fire or do much damage. Too close and they'll probably barely be able to fire. At the right distance (and with the right direction to avoid the initial turn), it's a slaughter.
Though if it's also based on FPS, it could be FAR easier to pull a great defence with shocks on PC...
StarCreator
Member
So if defending fire is twice as fast as intended at 60fps, is it four times as fast at 120fps?
http://youtu.be/pFg7D5wGfmo?t=8m42s
Wow that is not what I've been playing. Oh well, already near the end.
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