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[Christina Mackenzie]

I'm finally back everyone, Thank you all for your patience, and thank you El Topo for the extension!

Lots to go through. Let me get to a desktop for easy quoting. I will say that my initial vote on Blarg this day phase was not Babbage of his playstyle, but because he literally hasn't contributed anything in terms of votes. He voted CM D1 for no reason. Although maybe he has a PR that could only be used if he had no votes or something

I really thought Squidy would jump on that vote, as he seemed very against Blarg on D1. I voted for Blarg for two reasons: a. To learn more about people who wanted to vote him out D1 for his playstyle and 2. To pressure Blarg, as he generally gives himself away when many votes are on him. But looking at his lack of response, i actually think Blarg may be town. Squidy's behaviour regarding Blarg is inconsistent. And in general, none of my reads are aligning with his. I think CM and Bats are town. Also leaving town on Mazre and Hobo. I really think Zubz more than ever is scum.

Also, i voted Trigger that first day because i thought Gorlak was town more than i thought Trigger was, but i really rather would have voted elsewhere.

VOTE: Zubz

A MickD vote works for me too. His arguments against me really read like he's trying to find any reason to vote for me now that there's some traction against me.

Can you go into detail on why Zubz is scum?

Also how do you read MickD? Town?

 

[Hobohodo]

For a moment I considered voting for Trigger. Would that help us in anyway?

Would scum Swamped switch from Zubz to Trigger near the end of day if he was town?

Would Trigger flipping town help clear batsnacks or Mazre?

The unwillingness that trigger has shown today to acknowledge how close to getting lynched they were makes me think that any pressure applied in these last few hours of the game is unfortunately going to go ignored. Unless I'm missing something as well, Swamped currently has her vote on Blarg (who is leading by 1 vote I believe).

As for the trigger flip clearing bats or mazre just going from memory and the end of day votes yesterday (on mobile and on lunch break so don't have time for anything more) I can't see it saying anything about bats as he didn't vote on him the other day and I don't recall him discussing him that much (aside from asking why he wasn't being voted as much today). Mazre was the third vote on trigger within roughly 20 posts (again don't know the actual time because mobile). You could make an argument that it was to get some traction on a trigger bandwagon maybe? But even if that was the case and trigger flipped town I don't think that's anywhere near enough to go on and say that Mazre was scum trying to get a bandwagon on the go.

 

[Hobohodo]

. Unless I'm missing something as well, Swamped currently has her vote on Blarg (who is leading by 1 vote I believe).

Was typing this post before swamped had actually posted, hence this error. (lack of preview post button).

 

[Swamped]

-AbsolutBro was a weird choice for the... Sabbat, maybe?

We know what the mafia is called right, it's the Conspiracy. It's in the example PM in Post 1

 

[Fat4all]

im lost, whats 'Sabbat' mean?

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

I'm with Fat4all, sorry but I have no knowledge about the flavor of the game.

 

[Fat4all]

oh, you're saying they are intentionally distancing themselves from the conspiracy by acting like the don't know they are called 'the conspiracy'?

 

[Swamped]

Can you go into detail on why Zubz is scum?

Also how do you read MickD? Town?

Yes i can and i will!

Regarding MickD, leaning scum on him now due to his general reactions on D2. His reasoning for voting me doesn't seem genuine. The only thing is... Sometimes PRs also freak out when there's some suspicion against them. But still leaning scum on him.

 

[Swamped]

oh, you're saying they are intentionally distancing themselves from the conspiracy by acting like the don't know they are called 'the conspiracy'?

Yes, i think that Zubz might be feigning ignorance. Of course it could just be that he forgot what the scum team name is, but that seems unlikely to me.

I don't think it's important to know what the Sabbat is, but they are a clan of vampires who don't want to hide their vampiric selves. They are kinda the 'bad guys' in the game. Then again, there are many factions in the game that could be considered 'bad guys' lol.

More to come on Zubz! Although looking looking my arguments they not that conclusive. It's more of a general feeling I'm getting.

 

[Fat4all]

Alright, I really have to go to bed. but before that,

UNVOTE: Swamped

Swamped answered my worry well enough for now.

Blarg pressure seems like an OK plan, but I really dunno what we'd get out of it (especially if Blarg doesn't end up fighting back). I dunno what we gain from it, it kinda seems we just lose info or stay neutral with a Blarg lynch.

I'm leaning MickD at the moment.

And with that I gotta get some sleep. I'm setting my alarm for one hour before vote ends so I can read through the next few hours of talk and join in the end of day discussion (and to cast my final vote!)

 

[Dr. Worm]

you all want to lynch blarg because we have nothing on him when we have people being scummy as fuck in this thread and you think it's weird that I don't want to waste another day phase?

blarg was yesterday's problem, and he was a problem that you chucklefucks didn't appreciate, as long as he continues to post his utter nonsense he gives no information about his alignment while other player's alignments become more clear making his lynch less justifiable.
If he's town he becomes a chip mafia can play to push a mislynch at an inopportune time. If he's scum he doesn't connect to his teammates at all.
Shifting off of blarg and wanting to move towards reads isn't scummy but all of a sudden switching from finding his antics charming to wanting him out of the game is.

Thank you. I appreciate the clarification, and I agree with your assessment.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Checking my schedule, I might be able to be around for the last hour. Don't count on it, but I might.

 

[El Topo]

im lost, whats 'Sabbat' mean?

Sabbat is a term from the World of Darkness. Simply put it is a society of vampires, often vicious and brutal, loosely organized and chaotic, that is trying to destroy the elders and free themselves from their conspiracies. It was founded in the 15th century as a result of the revolt of the anarchs against their elders*. They are generally considered the counterpart of the Camarilla, a society that (among other things) supports the Masquerade and denies the existence of the ancient vampires (such as Cain or the Antediluvians). It is not as easy as "Sabbat = Evil, Camarilla = Good" though, far from that.

Regarding Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, the Sabbat appears as an antagonist, trying to get their hands on the sarcophague and defeat the Camarilla. They're spearheaded by a Tzimisce Elder, who is insanely sadistic and disgusting. That is basically the only Sabbat member that appears in the game, other than henchmen. The unofficial patch (including new content) even offers a Sabbat ending.

*One of the amusing notes is that the Tzimisce rebellion actually failed (unknown to pretty much anyone) and that their Antediluvian simply killed the leader of the rebellion, Lugoj, and took his skin.

 

[Fat4all]

Sabbat is a term from the World of Darkness. Simply put it is a community of vampires, often vicious and brutal, that is trying to destroy the elders and free themselves from their conspiracies.

Thanks!

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

you all want to lynch blarg because we have nothing on him when we have people being scummy as fuck in this thread and you think it's weird that I don't want to waste another day phase?

blarg was yesterday's problem, and he was a problem that you chucklefucks didn't appreciate, as long as he continues to post his utter nonsense he gives no information about his alignment while other player's alignments become more clear making his lynch less justifiable.
If he's town he becomes a chip mafia can play to push a mislynch at an inopportune time. If he's scum he doesn't connect to his teammates at all.
Shifting off of blarg and wanting to move towards reads isn't scummy but all of a sudden switching from finding his antics charming to wanting him out of the game is.

Fair enough.

VOTE: Zubz

I know they can be horribly distracting, but I find Blarg's antics amusing. I wasn't really serious about wanting to decipher them all game. It's just an interesting, quirky playstyle that I appreciate having.

-I love Blarg antics more than I have any right to. That said, past antics had pay-off. They had clues when Blarg had a power and had insight when he didn't. Literally all we know from this book drivel is that Blarg acknowledges Mazre is in this game. And he conveniently puts the pen down when the heats on him. Unfortunately for him, I'm about to heat things up (Well, metaphorically; we don't produce heat and are hella scared of fire).

VOTE: Blargonaut

I desperately want answers here... But I work until 5:30 tomorrow and won't get home until 7-ish. Outside of a morning post and maybe a lunch break one, this is all I have to work with.

Not confident about Zubz being scum but seems Swamped has stopped posting her reasons and this is going to be my last post. I'd still like to hear her reasons why Zubz is scum on Day 1. The Sabbath bit came late in Day 2.

I would have kept my vote on Blargonaut as the safe option but I'll take a gamble today.

That said I don't think Swamped and squidyj are both in the same scum team. I doubt he'd throw a vote on a teammate this late in the phase.

 

[Christina Mackenzie]

If they were both scum at all... just saying.

My posts always seem to be misconstrued.

 

[Swamped]

Fair enough.

Not confident about Zubz being scum but seems Swamped has stopped posting her reasons and this is going to be my last post. I'd still like to hear her reasons why Zubz is scum on Day 1. The Sabbath bit came late in Day 2.

Sorry, I'm still on mobile but will do a more in depth post on Zubz before day end. The sabbat comment made me lean more scum on him, even though I had already scum read him on D1.

 

[infinit777]

Infinit777 was one of the first people to vote day 1 and never changed their vote from squid. Then suddenly day 2:

Im pretty sure at one point i mentioned that it would be a very shitty tactic to be the first vote if squidj was scum. With that being said I changed my vote based on the outcome of day 1.

vote: Infinit777

I don't see how all the quotes equal up to a vote for me...

 

[Dusk Soldier]

I don't see how all the quotes equal up to a vote for me...

We all have our roles to play in this game. And you've fulfilled yours.

Thank you.

vote: Zubz

 

[infinit777]

We all have our roles to play in this game. And you've fulfilled yours.

Thank you.

*snip*

Okay lol, I am guessing it was either a placeholder or you were waiting for me to make a post then lol.


As far as my day 2 voting goes, Hobohodo swayed me in his opinions on post #606 When he was talking about MickD never giving an explanation for his lynch's

I still am skeptical of Mazre, but there seems to be no traction as no one else voted for them.

Vote: MickD

 

[MickD]

I'm town, last time I'm going to say it.

 

[infinit777]

I'm town, last time I'm going to say it.

Fuck, sounds legit guys

Vote: Mazre

reverting to my original vote this day.

 

[MickD]

Vote - Christina Mackenzie

Lots of twisty odd things going on with this one here. I can't tell if they are shifting blame off them to others or what. I don't feel too good with anything they say. It feels like a better bet than swamped today.

I want to apologize for D1, I really don't know how to go about it so I'm usually quiet. This is my second game, but that's not an excuse. I've found this pretty difficult to do on mobile, so yea not a whole ton of substance on my end. Just picking someone out of the blue to go after seems wrong but I had a "gut" feeling about gorlak. Welp that's on me.

I understand the suspicions of me, but I truly think most that see me as an easy target today is scummy AF due to me actually stating my alliance. If I get the lynch look towards those against me. For real.

 

[Zubz]

Not confident about Zubz being scum but seems Swamped has stopped posting her reasons and this is going to be my last post. I'd still like to hear her reasons why Zubz is scum on Day 1. The Sabbath bit came late in Day 2.

I would have kept my vote on Blargonaut as the safe option but I'll take a gamble today.

That said I don't think Swamped and squidyj are both in the same scum team. I doubt he'd throw a vote on a teammate this late in the phase.

You have every reason to not think I'm scum. The entire case against me right now is "forgot flavor text" and "expecting Blarg to be crazy fun like he was in Star Wars game while trying to be productive, but now he's inactive and/or wasting our time." Maybe "accidental breadcrumb reading" and "BANDWAGON!" for the Conspiracy that they're not sharing.

I'm definitely suspicious of the block against me for suddenly jumping on me like that. If you kine vote for me, definitely look into them. This feels like another last second push like the one for Gorlak; please don't make the same mistake twice!

 

[Dr. Worm]

You have every reason to not think I'm scum. The entire case against me right now is "forgot flavor text" and "expecting Blarg to be crazy fun like he was in Star Wars game while trying to be productive, but now he's inactive and/or wasting our time." Maybe "accidental breadcrumb reading" and "BANDWAGON!" for the Conspiracy that they're not sharing.

I'm definitely suspicious of the block against me for suddenly jumping on me like that. If you kine vote for me, definitely look into them. This feels like another last second push like the one for Gorlak; please don't make the same mistake twice!

I'm inclined to agree with this. I hope the people voting for you stretched beforehand, because it seems like a real reach.

Using the voting tool, I noticed that Christina Mackenzie and Swamped were both bandwagoning Blargonaut before squidyj's argument, at which point they hopped over to you. Might be noteworthy along those lines of argument, I dunno.

I understand the suspicions of me, but I truly think most that see me as an easy target today is scummy AF due to me actually stating my alliance. If I get the lynch look towards those against me. For real.

Everyone here is allowed to lie. We're noticing that you're around to post, but you're not providing anything of substance in your posts, including your own defense.

Saying "I'm town" isn't really enough. Townies can say that. So can mafia.

 

[MickD]

How else am I supposed to defend myself other than role claim?

 

[Zubz]

Astute observation, Doc. My only hope is that regardless of whether or not I live, we investigate Swamped or CM the rest of today or tomorrow, because they have been voting as a pack.

I'd vote for one of those 2 but IIRC my Blarg vote is the only thing preventing a tie; I lack the time to vote again, let alone tally.

 

[MickD]

Lying is what bad people do. I don't like to lie.

 

[Swamped]

You have every reason to not think I'm scum. The entire case against me right now is "forgot flavor text" and "expecting Blarg to be crazy fun like he was in Star Wars game while trying to be productive, but now he's inactive and/or wasting our time." Maybe "accidental breadcrumb reading" and "BANDWAGON!" for the Conspiracy that they're not sharing.

I'm definitely suspicious of the block against me for suddenly jumping on me like that. If you kine vote for me, definitely look into them. This feels like another last second push like the one for Gorlak; please don't make the same mistake twice!

I was composing a post about all the reasons I felt you were suspicious and I guess I don't have anything super conclusive. I may be suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, but I just feel you are scum! On D1 most of your posts felt like you weren't greatly invested in the game. This is the reason why I'm suspicious of Ynnek too. Just sort of safe overall.

Regarding forgetting the flavor text, don't downplay it. I personally think it could be a scum slip. When I read that, that's when I doubled-down on you.

I'm inclined to agree with this. I hope the people voting for you stretched beforehand, because it seems like a real reach.

At this point all the arguments presented are stretches, I'm not really happy with anything so far. So I gotta go with my gut.

Having said that, if there is a tie between MickD and someone who is not Zubz, I would probably vote for MickD.

If it was between MickD and Ynnek...I'd go for Ynnek.

Timeasis is a non-entity to me this game. I can't really remember anything he has done XD

 

[Swamped]

So some people haven't voted yet, and we're pretty close to the deadline. Maybe some people haven't returned. Otherwise, WAKE UP StMeph, Blarg, Time!

MickD - your vote wasn't counted Make sure to use a colon instead of a hyphen.

 

[Satanic Saint]

Ok I have tried to read the whole thread and Hobohodo's post has convinced me to vote for MickD. Also I am surprised that there are no votes for me considering that I have been really inactive.

Now if only someone can tell me how can I put the highlighting tag for my vote to count.

 

[Swamped]

As far as my day 2 voting goes, Hobohodo swayed me in his opinions on post #606 When he was talking about MickD never giving an explanation for his lynch's

Vote: MickD

Ok I have tried to read the whole thread and Hobohodo's post has convinced me to vote for MickD. Also I am surprised that there are no votes for me considering that I have been really inactive.

Now if only someone can tell me how can I put the highlighting tag for my vote to count.

Interesting. Not only are Infinit and Satanic both voting for MickD, they are both voting because of Hobohodo's post. This leads me to think that either they are both town, or one of them is scum and is 'following' the other to appear town. I think it's unlikely that both are scum, because then why would they both give the same reasoning?

Btw to vote use this, but without the asterisk

[/highlight*]

Hope that helps Satanic!

 

[Zubz]

Ok I have tried to read the whole thread and Hobohodo's post has convinced me to vote for MickD. Also I am surprised that there are no votes for me considering that I have been really inactive.

Now if only someone can tell me how can I put the highlighting tag for my vote to count.

Type without the spaces, like this: [ HIGHLIGHT ]

Like this (also a vote)

VOTE: MickD

I have no reads on him one way or another, but I don't want to die, am also open to gambling, realized we're at a 3-Way tie, and am willing to return to Blarg/CM/Swamped tomorrow.

If I find a spare minute and things move to Blarg again, I'lol change back.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Astute observation, Doc. My only hope is that regardless of whether or not I live, we investigate Swamped or CM the rest of today or tomorrow, because they have been voting as a pack.

I'd vote for one of those 2 but IIRC my Blarg vote is the only thing preventing a tie; I lack the time to vote again, let alone tally.

Would it help if I

VOTE: Christina Mackenzie

I think you're actually at the top of the list now, but we'll tie Christina Mackenzie and you if MickD corrects himself and you change too. (There'll assuredly be more votes coming anyway, so I wouldn't worry about tying).

Lying is what bad people do. I don't like to lie.

Unfortunately, a major part of the game is lying. From our perspective, we can't know who's lying and who isn't.

Can you weigh in on some ongoing arguments, maybe? Suggest anything you've noticed? It helps out town to get more perspectives and opinions flowing. If you're town, you also have an interest in making sure we don't lynch another townie tonight, and that could very well be yourself.

Now if only someone can tell me how can I put the highlighting tag for my vote to count.

[highlight*]VOTE: person

Replace "person" with your vote, remove the asterisk in the highlight tag.

 

[Satanic Saint]

Interesting. Not only are Infinit and Satanic both voting for MickD, they are both voting because of Hobohodo's post. This leads me to think that either they are both town, or one of them is scum and is 'following' the other to appear town. I think it's unlikely that both are scum, because then why would they both give the same reasoning?

Btw to vote use this, but without the asterisk

[/highlight*]

Hope that helps Satanic!

VOTE: MickD

Thanks a lot. I also voted for him because I'm not buying his pleas. When I play Town of Salem as scum and I'm on the stand, I pull the same shit as him. That is also why I am voting for him. Plus he was also inactive day 1.

 

[Timeaisis]

Alright, I'm back from holiday. I'm reading the thread now. How's it going, everyone.

 

[squidyj]

Vote: Christina Mackenzie

I can't get over that slipup with mazre, how could anyone paying attention to the game think mazre was a top target for doc or a scum kill?
Every interaction after that has been kind of this weirdy panicky deflection.

 

[Dr. Worm]

So, I was looking back through some of the older posts trying to make sense of this crazy game, and I came across something that I think is a little weird.

Would scum Swamped switch from Zubz to Trigger near the end of day if he was town?

If I'm reading this right, at the time this was posted, Swamped was voting for Blargonaut; it was the post after this in which Swamped voted for Zubz.

This would imply that Christina Mackenzie knew Swamped's vote in advance, right? I'm not 100% positive, but it's raising a huge red flag in my mind.

 

[batsnacks]

So, I was looking back through some of the older posts trying to make sense of this crazy game, and I came across something that I think is a little weird.



If I'm reading this right, at the time this was posted, Swamped was voting for Blargonaut; it was the post after this in which Swamped voted for Zubz.

This would imply that Christina Mackenzie knew Swamped's vote in advance, right? I'm not 100% positive, but it's raising a huge red flag in my mind.

This was posted day 1 before Swamped switched her vote to Trigger?

 

[Dr. Worm]

This was posted day 1 before Swamped switched her vote to Trigger?

No, it was posted today. The context looks like it's about today as well, but I might be misinterpreting it.

 

[Swamped]

So, I was looking back through some of the older posts trying to make sense of this crazy game, and I came across something that I think is a little weird.



If I'm reading this right, at the time this was posted, Swamped was voting for Blargonaut; it was the post after this in which Swamped voted for Zubz.

This would imply that Christina Mackenzie knew Swamped's vote in advance, right? I'm not 100% positive, but it's raising a huge red flag in my mind.

Not quite sure I understand. That CM post is from D2, talking about my voting pattern at the end of D1 (which I already explained the logic behind but happy to go over it again).

 

[batsnacks]

wait no

day 1 Swamped was voting zubz, then switched to Trigger

day 2 Christina Mackenzie makes a statement WRT Swamped's vote switch

I think Christina Mackenzie was referring to Swamped's vote switch the previous day.

Those two have weirdly aligned a couple of times this phase though. At the beginning of this day Swamped voted blarg and Christina followed.

Then recently Swamped voted zubz, which is consistent with her vote from yesterday but Christina again follows. Also posts:

Fair enough.

VOTE: Zubz




Not confident about Zubz being scum but seems Swamped has stopped posting her reasons and this is going to be my last post. I'd still like to hear her reasons why Zubz is scum on Day 1. The Sabbath bit came late in Day 2.

I would have kept my vote on Blargonaut as the safe option but I'll take a gamble today.

That said I don't think Swamped and squidyj are both in the same scum team. I doubt he'd throw a vote on a teammate this late in the phase.

So that's pretty blatantly following Swamped.

 

[Dr. Worm]

Not quite sure I understand. That CM post is from D2, talking about my voting pattern at the end of D1 (which I already explained the logic behind but happy to go over it again).

Oh, I see it now. Sorry about that, it was just a little confusing for me.

My bad; carry on.

 

[batsnacks]

Swamped how do you feel about Christina Mackenzie sheeping you despite "not being confident about Zubz being scum"? lol

 

[Hobohodo]

I've used pen and paper for this as I don't know how the vote count works, just so we can all see how many votes are on who.

Blarg: 1
Mick D: 5
Christina: 3
Mazre: 1
Swamped: 1
Trigger: 1
Zubz: 3

Hopefully someone who knows what they are doing can sort us out. Would also be good if the 3 players left to vote could give us something.

 

[Swamped]

Swamped how do you feel about Christina Mackenzie sheeping you despite "not being confident about Zubz being scum"? lol

Yeah I definitely noticed this, and the blarg vote follow up too. I get the reasoning for CM's blarg vote though. Blarg is definitely one of those players who needs pressure to speak or give himself away as scum.

Zubz, I think CM is trusting me. Which is weird. I don't want that sort of responsibility if Zubz turns out to be town XD. But right now, I don't mind more votes on Zubz. I do think that CM is posting in a town way so far...in that he is prodding and being active. It feels consistent to his previous town play from other games I have seen him in.

 

[El Topo]

Day 2 votes
--------------------------
blargonaut (1)
swamped 515 (648)
ynnek7 540
christina mackenzie 541 (665)
zubz 624 (683)
fat4all 626 (636)

mazre (1)
infinit777 522 (670)
infinit777 672

swamped (0)
squidyj 536 (628)
fat4all 637 (660)
squidyj 639 (687)

infinit777 (0)
dusk soldier 559 (669)

trigger (1)
batsnacks 568

mickd (4)
hobohodo 606
mazre 612
dr. worm 633 (684)
infinit777 670 (672)
zubz 683
satanic saint 685

christina mackenzie (2)
squidyj 628 (639)
dr. worm 684
squidyj 687

zubz (3)
swamped 648
christina mackenzie 665
dusk soldier 669
--------------------------
Voting tool can be found here

 

[batsnacks]

Wow ok these are newest > oldest

here's that weird post again where Christina says they're going to vote zubz despite not thinking zubz is mafia, seemingly just because Swamped did it

VOTE: Zubz

Not confident about Zubz being scum but seems Swamped has stopped posting her reasons and this is going to be my last post. I'd still like to hear her reasons why Zubz is scum on Day 1.

defending Swamped

Would scum Swamped switch from Zubz to Trigger near the end of day if he was town?

this is setting up to sheep Swamped's vote

I can see where you're coming regarding Swamped from having read your post above. Still I'd like to her hear explain her position.

???????

If Blargonaut or Swamped don't show up before day's end is everyone ok with voting them out?

(this is in response to squid saying Christina should ask their mafia team mates for help) ????!!!

Help me, Swamped.

seriously, look at Christina Mackenzie's post history and search "Swamped."

MickD, I think now would be a good time to elaborate on why you think Swamped is mafia. Saying you'll flip town isn't going to convince us.

Swamped

I'd really like to hear from Swamped and Blargonaut when they get back.

so many posts...

Actually Swamped, can you elaborate more on this? What exactly about Dusk Soldier's statement tipped you off?

........

Hi Swamped, you look well. Blood rose cheeks and all. I was wondering when you'd show.

Why did you mention Gorlak's abilities?

 

[Dr. Worm]

Those two have weirdly aligned a couple of times this phase though. At the beginning of this day Swamped voted blarg and Christina followed.

Then recently Swamped voted zubz, which is consistent with her vote from yesterday but Christina again follows. Also posts:

So that's pretty blatantly following Swamped.

Oh! I noticed it earlier today for Day 2, but not for Day 1. Good catch.

And then there's this:

Worse case scenario for town would be having players like Blargonaut, Trigger, Satanic Saint and MickD in the later stages of the game. Mafia could paint anyone of them as scum even if they are town. I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting as well.

I'm much rather see anyone of them out this phase over Swamped.

Christina Mackenzie defending Swamped, and before that:

Help me, Swamped.

They do seem to be working together, and I think it might be worthwhile to start a bandwagon on one of them. It makes more sense than Blargonaut, at least.

I'm on CM right now. Swamped, Zubz, would you be willing to join?

 

[Fat4all]

Alright, I'm back from holiday. I'm reading the thread now. How's it going, everyone.

It's pretty tame, all things considered.

Any chance you could give us a few reads? I'm kinda split right now and am desperate for any other views on various people.