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Variety: Warner Bros. to launch "auteur-driven" DC banner with "unusual story angles"
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Bobby Roberts
Banned
So this is just making movies, then.
Like, it doesn't need to have a branded banner on the concept.
I mean, it does, I guess, because that's the reality of the blockbuster climate.
But this is basically announcing that Warner Brothers is pursuing the notion of adapting superhero stories however it is the people doing the adaptations would like to do it.
i.e. regular-ass making movies.
i.e. regular-ass making movies
Like, it doesn't need to have a branded banner on the concept.
I mean, it does, I guess, because that's the reality of the blockbuster climate.
But this is basically announcing that Warner Brothers is pursuing the notion of adapting superhero stories however it is the people doing the adaptations would like to do it.
i.e. regular-ass making movies.
i.e. regular-ass making movies
SomedayTheFire
Member
Honestly always thought this would be a better approach than what we were getting. When I heard they were doing an MCU competitor I wanted them to let each director and team have full control over the characters. Instead of creating one Joker, let each director design him own, so Suicide Squad can have that, and The Batman can have another. Make it more like comic books written and drawn by different people.
That and to not confuse the casual audience
Sectorseven
Member
Regular movies leave too much money on the table.
Sounds like they want to be able to do what Fox is doing and not Marvel... for now.
Fox has a continuity with their X-Men.... somewhat... but Logan was "elseworlds" essentially.
I'm fine with this, give us a KINGDOM COME, or damn, let us have Blackest Night. Looking back, Dark Knight Returns should not have influenced BVS, but should have been an elseworlds film that stood alone and just adapted that comic.
AuthenticM
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Watching superhero movies isn't anywhere near as hard as superhero fans love to think it is.
Exactly. I know that the first thing that comes to mind is the hack that made Starsky and Hutch and Hangover when I think of the word "auteur".
If only some of those spin offs would be about Bruce's children. ;-;
AuthenticM
Member
They need to get Bryan Fuller to make their Joker movie. Or Watchmen.
Also give The Flash to Edgar Wright.
Deadshot to the John Wick guys.
Also give The Flash to Edgar Wright.
Deadshot to the John Wick guys.
They haven't proven it... they've shown it. Not sure why you would single out DC when Fox is hit and miss too... making good movies isn't easy. Marvel is just making it look easy with that consistency.
It's like looking at peak Pixar and going, why can't Dreamworks do that....
What in this article says otherwise?
AuthenticM
Member
Give Batwoman to Adam Wingward and Simon Barrett.
Martin McDonagh should write and direct a character piece on Alfred Pennyworth.
Martin McDonagh should write and direct a character piece on Alfred Pennyworth.
It's still a little confusing though. For example, my friend keeps wondering when Daredevil is going to join the Justice League.
Wasting Bryan Fuller on a Joker movie?
AuthenticM
Member
Hire David Lynch to make an origin movie for The Scarecrow.
One of the John Wick guys is doing Deadpool 2 after Atomic Blonde, Chad Stahelski is the only director behind John Wick 2 (and 3).
Would be a nice get for either of them.
Easy or people don;t give Feige enough credit for moving heaven and earth?
I'd rather see Deathstroke with the John Wick guys tbh. Or shit, a Red Hood movie would be sooooooo good.
The only complaint I see against Marvel is sometimes their movies feel the same. So tbh I would love to see them do something like this. Kind of an else worlds thing. I would love to see Spider Gwen with Matt Murdock Kingpin, and so much more. A Secret Wars with xmen characters, etc.
Here's my question, how is this idea proving D.C. Doesn't respect their characters?
shira
Member
We don't know why Wonder Woman worked and BvS failed.
So let's throw everything at the wall and see what sticks
The quote that you and the other poster responded to was not by anyone at DC or WB, but by someone at Slashfilm.
The Onion video review for Civil War makes fun of this.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Hmmm. Not sure if DDL has the range to play more than one bar at a time.
Rather than lose half the potential star power, lose a large demographic and an extra oscar in the process, we can use both Tom and Judi. Film the movie twice through with each as the star, then switch between then every time there is an edit. Audiences will lap that shit up. Double the Oscars too.
That is class. The BvS one was cracking too.
Honestly the idea of doing a variety of one shot films or mini contaied story arcs involving a variety of interpretations and ideas are what I would like most from any comic book film universe, so this could be a lot of fun. Then again it's WB, and I have no faith and don't let anybody just have their own vision without chopping up the pieces and making it garbage.
Cast Paul Dano as Crane and we've got ourselves a movie.
LordOfLore
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Would you believe me if I told you that I thought I posted a new thread, saw I had pressed the wrong button and as I was about to edit and post my phone lost power?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
btw: auteur theory is fucking horseshit, for the most part.
Too many people making too many creative decisions in almost every direction on any movie set for it to make anything more than a superficial sort of sense.
Too many people making too many creative decisions in almost every direction on any movie set for it to make anything more than a superficial sort of sense.
Inferno313
Banned
Literally all of the DCEU directors, yes even Snyder, fit the definition of "auteur" better than Todd fucking Phillips does.
MHWilliams
Member
I'm down with the idea on paper. Essentially Vertigo for the DCEU.
I'm wondering how many of the previously-announced films outside of the Joker will fall under the banner. I also need WB to tighten up the schedule a bit and put some names in those production seats.
I'm wondering how many of the previously-announced films outside of the Joker will fall under the banner. I also need WB to tighten up the schedule a bit and put some names in those production seats.
Inferno313
Banned
Is it? Not sure what's all that unusual about the actual angles those stories take. Man of Steel is about as bog-standard of an origin story as you can get.
BvS' narrative isn't that strange either. It's basically what everyone expected. Batman is mad at Superman because of what happened in Metropolis. Luthor pulls the strings until they fight. They fight. They makeup. Luthor pulls one final trick, and they have to team up.
The problem with those movies isn't that they're unusual stories. It's that they're poorly-told stories.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Wouldn't mind seeing his take on a Scarecrow movie.
Suicide Squad and BvS seemed to be more auteur-driven than not.
It's an interesting idea that I think Marvel Studios may eventually want to get into as well (Fox has already started to stumble into doing more of that) but I think since the DCEU will still be a thing, this might make things more complicated and messy than not.
This may give the directors a little more freedom, I don't know if it will necessarily change their hits to misses ratio when they still seem to have weaknesses on the executive side of things.
It's an interesting idea that I think Marvel Studios may eventually want to get into as well (Fox has already started to stumble into doing more of that) but I think since the DCEU will still be a thing, this might make things more complicated and messy than not.
This may give the directors a little more freedom, I don't know if it will necessarily change their hits to misses ratio when they still seem to have weaknesses on the executive side of things.
Inferno313
Banned
Hahaha. Nah.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
I mean. BvS was already "auteur-driven" and well...
Just do better.
Just do better.
WB may have brought another company to recut the film but I think there were lots of decisions about that film that failed which I put on Ayers.
Auteur doesn't automatically mean better.
If Ayer had some other input, we might have avoided Damaged Juggalo Method-acting Leto Joker.
Subpar Spatula
Banned
i like it.
*thumbs up*
*thumbs up*
I thought the whole ethos between WB is that they're mostly much more hands-off, which results in higher highs (Mad Max, all of the Nolan stuff) and lower lows (Pan, Sucker Punch).
They got somewhat hands on with SS because they were scared after BvS.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Eh. I can go both ways on it. Some directors have very distinct 'voices'. You can 'blind taste test' their films and know it's one of theirs.
Like, I agree with the point you make, but on that same token, the auteur has a hand in choosing who they work/collaborate with and probably does so because they like the kinds of creative decisions those crew members make.
The reality is probably somewhere in-between, like a scaled-up band scenario: one person writes the songs and has the 'vision', shit-filtering the other members' creative decisions along the way.
I'd see his take on anything, to be fair. Maybe Joker and Scarecrow are too on the nose. Ambush Bug, maybe?
Apparently not. Last time I spoke to him (it was a while ago), he was ranting about both SS and Serkis' Jungle Book being manhandled by the execs. He basically said they couldn't keep their hands off of properties.
I mean, I'm random internet dude with a 'friend in the industry', so whether you believe me or not is up to you.
Inferno313
Banned
So then the film that was released wasn't an auteur-driven film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
yeah, the general flavor of the idea makes a superficial sort of sense, but the theory can only support so much weight, really, and often it gets asked to hold way more than it could bear.
AuthenticM
Member
In Hollywood, sure.