Very concerned mom rants against Vince Staples 'Norf Norf".

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wenis said:
It shouldn't take a progressive person to understand that the things he describes in his songs are a way of life for a lot of people in this country and that he also isn't glorifying any of it. he in fact rally's against it considerably, even in this song.
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see that AT ALL in these lyrics; in fact it seems to celebrate the gangsta lifestyle. I ain't never run from nuthin' but the police.:

"Never no problem, sprayin' no witnesses
No face, no case, been wit' the shit
Hopped out broad day then emptied clips
Cut class cause it wasn't 'bout cash
School wasn't no fun, couldn't bring my gun
Know when change gon' come like Obama would say
But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put a AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem wit' me
How I'm Crippin' where I'm livin', come and follow me
Pistol poppin', Poppy Street

I ain't never ran from nothin' but the police
From the city where the skinny carry strong heat
Northside, Long Beach, Northside, Long Beach

Nate Dogg still here cause of niggas like me
Police still scared cause of niggas like me
In the hood like a dollar sweet tea or a Louis Burger
You ain't wit' the business, nigga
Who you murdered? You ain't heard of Coldchain
Best thang, smokin' out the city
Ridin' 'round wit' the same shotgun that shot Ricky
Lil' nigga should've zig-zagged, then he got his back wet
Now he runnin' Norfside, niggas better fact-check
Frontin' wit' the gun talk, I ain't heard a clap yet
All my niggas from street, they a nigga best yes
'Cept for Little Halftime, Brody bangin' five blocks
Sorry, I hit your homie five times, better grab chalk
Did it, got away with it out the Civic
We Crippin', Long Beach City, pay a visit
Park Ramona, pop blocked a corner
Givin' hell 'til it's frozen over, I ain't never ran from nothin'

I ain't never ran from nothin' but the police
From the city where the skinny carry strong heat
Northside, Long Beach, Northside, Long Beach"

While she may have gone too far with the histrionics, I don't think she's wrong. Kids should not be listening to stuff like this.
 
Risible said:
Maybe it's just me but I don't see that AT ALL in these lyrics; in fact it seems to celebrate the gangsta lifestyle. I ain't never run from nuthin' but the police.:

While she may have gone too far with the histrionics, I don't think she's wrong. Kids should not be listening to stuff like this.
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Celebrate it how? Would you want to live in that world he's talking about. If you heard a song about a shitty breakup, would you think it was glamorizing dumping your SO? lol. Hell, he didn't want to grow up in the world he raps about. He described the album this song is on like this:

"Love will tear us apart. Nov 30th, 2005 was the beginning of the loss. The following summer multiplied it. Beaten paths, crowded with the hopeless. Same song every day, listening to the words of a dead man destroyed by his own mind and body. Why? Because at the end of the day we're all dead anyway. At least where I come from. Love tore us all apart. Love for self, love for separation, love for the little we all had, love for each other, where we came from. Jabari, Chris, Shard, Tom, Richy, Tyson, Tony, Shelly, Phil, Marcel, Brandon, Steve, Jaron, Tay. Too many to name, too much to forget. Some lost to prison, some lost to Forest Lawn, some turned snitch. Some still here but it will never be the same. Bandanas, Stealing Levis and Nike Sb's. Derringers and Sidekicks. Its crazy how little you notice and how greatly those things impact. Summer of 2006, the beginning of the end of everything I thought I knew. Youth was stolen from my city that Summer and Im left alone to tell the story. This might not make sense but that's because none of it does, we're stuck. Love tore us all apart. Summertime '06, June 30th."
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Gattsu25 said:
The Star Spangled Banner celebrates killing emancipated slaves who fight against their former owners.

Music, especially when you analyze the lyrics, sucks.
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I'm specifically replying to someone who WAS talking about the lyrics though.

And this thread isn't about the Star Spangled Banner.
 
krazen said:
Celebrate it how? Would you want to live in that world he's talking about. If you heard a song about a shitty breakup, would you think it was glamorizing dumping your SO? lol. Hell, he didn't want to grow up in the world he raps about. He described the album this song is on like this:
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Of course I wouldn't want to live in that world. However, nothing in the lyrics suggests that it's a terrible thing or place to be. I guess you could read that into it, but I don't get that from the lyrics at all.
 
How has she lasted this long without hearing something like that on the radio?

Also, how tf is she the mother of an 11 yo and also someone who listened to Britney Spears/Backstreet Boys/Chistina Aguilera as a kid? That's my age range and I'm only 23.
 
Risible said:
Of course I wouldn't want to live in that world. However, nothing in the lyrics suggests that it's a terrible thing or place to be. I guess you could read that into it, but I don't get that from the lyrics at all.
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lol@"nothing in the lyrics suggests its a terrible place to be"...gunshots at your mothers house is a fun place to be?
 
lol that album is about growing up in the gang culture and Vince Staples' whole thing is about getting out of that life. Context, y'all.
 
Risible said:
Maybe it's just me but I don't see that AT ALL in these lyrics; in fact it seems to celebrate the gangsta lifestyle.
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You say this as if "classic rock" doesn't have enormous amounts of material relating sex, violence, and drugs. (Spoilers: It does.) This is to say nothing of the fact that lyrics can involve things like dark humor, fictional narratives that don't reflect the artist's values and lifestyle, exaggerated and stylized portrayals of the artist's situation for the sake of making a point, etc.

Actually, we should say something about those factors I mentioned above: They're all relevant. When I listen to Electric Wizard (doom/stoner metal band from England) say "nuclear warheads ready to strike, this world is so fucked, let's end it tonight," I'm not interpreting it as someone literally advocating a nuclear holocaust, because I have at least some ability to read between the lines. It's someone grappling with nihilistic feelings about the state of the world in a dark and poetic way. Is it such a stretch to think that rap lyrics could comment on crime, inequality, gangs, and the like without literally advocating all those things?

Let's just be honest here, she's more afraid of the idea of a scary black man saying these words than she is of the actual content.

EDIT: Read krazen's posts too.
 
I remember putting Ice Cube's "Today Was a Good Day" on in the car with my mom when I was about 15 and trying to explain how positive it was, she just said "A good day for him is not shooting anyone!".

She had a point really but was at least funny about it. This lady is cray though. I want to put her and the family in a Honda Odyssey with Brotha Lynch Hung on repeat.
 
krazen said:
lol@"nothing in the lyrics suggests its a terrible place to be"...gunshots at your mothers house is a fun place to be?
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But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put a AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem wit' me

It goes from "shooting near his moms" to "I got a gun for anyone that starts with me." It's mixed messages at best, and I would argue the bulk of it is bad messaging.
 
Risible said:
Also, all the people assuming she's racist. SMFH.
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All I am going to say is someone making the leap that its glamorizing violence already has preconceived notions in their head, hint hint. Like no one is going to listen to Metallica's "One" like, "THEY ARE FOR SELF LOATHING AND SUICIDE!"
 
krazen said:
All I am going to say is someone making the leap that its glamorizinf violence already has peeconcieved notions in their head, hint hint. Like no one is going to listen to Metallica's "One" like, "THEY ARE FOR SELF LOATHING AND SUICIDE!"
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Oh, I see, anyone questioning this is automatically racist. Got it. I can see where this is going, so on that note I'm outie. Night all.
 
Risible said:
Of course I wouldn't want to live in that world. However, nothing in the lyrics suggests that it's a terrible thing or place to be. I guess you could read that into it, but I don't get that from the lyrics at all.
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Cut class cause it wasn't 'bout cash
School wasn't no fun, couldn't bring my gun
Knowin' change gonna come like Obama and them say
But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put an AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem with me
How I'm Crippin' where I'm livin', come and follow me
Pistol poppin', Poppy Street
 
White suburban mother outraged at music either from black artist or inspired by black artists.

Wow gee that NEVER happens I'm shocked right now.

You mean to tell me a white suburbanite who probably bumped it to Britney Spears talking about fucking when she was 16 years old would do that?

Nonsense.
 
Hey guys, did you hear about those "heavy metals" bands having songs that involve stuff like devil worship and murder and stuff? Fucked up if true. That should be illegal.
 
Risible said:
But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put a AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem wit' me

It goes from "shooting near his moms" to "I got a gun for anyone that starts with me." It's mixed messages at best, and I would argue the bulk of it is bad messaging.
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Because its supposed to describe the way of life? He's forced to live kill or be killed, if you're having issues reading themes behind a surface level, I dont know. I guess your one of those that feel like "Born In the USA" is a pro-America song.
 
Risible said:
But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put a AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem wit' me

It goes from "shooting near his moms" to "I got a gun for anyone that starts with me." It's mixed messages at best, and I would argue the bulk of it is bad messaging.
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I mean its not bad messaging. He is literally telling you what he did to stay alive. I really dont understand the disconnect do you actually need him to say "THIS LIFE SUCKS DONT DO IT" because I really dont get how you can read the lyrics and think he is glorifying gang life.
 
Risible said:
Oh, I see, anyone questioning this is automatically racist. Got it. I can see where this is going, so on that note I'm outie. Night all.
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I even gave you the writers quotes on his own feelings about his songs but you were still like *Puts on ignore glasses*, NOPE, HE LOVES ZE VIOLENCE!!! lol
 
Risible said:
Hurt my neck from scratching my head I guess? Ok, thanks for contributing, appreciate it, looking forward to more insightful commentary.
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No problem, pal. She's a racist. She needs to curve that word. You disagree? Good for you. I'll call her what I like. "Scratch" your head all day..doofus lol.

Risible said:
Oh, I see, anyone questioning this is automatically racist. Got it. I can see where this is going, so on that note I'm outie. Night all.
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Audi, doofus..
 
I got the "Guns and Roses" album (Horrible band name. Roses are nice, but GUNS?!) and it had at least one drug song on it. My pastor told me that "Mr. Brownstone" is actually about HEROIN.

I feel unsafe when I listen to this devil music, I think I need to call the police.
 
Like Hit' Em Up wasn't on the radio 24/7 when we were growing up.

Come on woman this isn't new. 90% of this stuff isn't glorifying gangster culture like it did in the mid-90's, now for the most part it's all a realistic exploration of the downfalls and dangers of it and the reality of growing up in the hood.
 
krazen said:
I even gave you the writers quotes on his own feelings about his songs but you were still like *Puts on ignore glasses*, NOPE, HE LOVES ZE VIOLENCE!!! lol
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they went to bed. nite nite. definitely not reading this thread anymore.
 
Risible said:
Maybe it's just me but I don't see that AT ALL in these lyrics; in fact it seems to celebrate the gangsta lifestyle. I ain't never run from nuthin' but the police.:

[lyrics]

While she may have gone too far with the histrionics, I don't think she's wrong. Kids should not be listening to stuff like this.
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See, in this case, context is key. What do you know about Vince Staples? I'm guessing you presume he's a rapper hence he's advocating for the get money fuck bitches lifestyle popular rap seems to glorify. Vince is, in actuality, an ex-Crip who's seen his fair share of friends die due to the lifestyle. The album's name Summertime '06 is in reference to the summer that changed his mind on gang-banging as demonstrated in this post. In addition, the album has songs that are almost pure counterpoints to your claim it celebrates the gang lifestyle, like on the closer "Like It Is."
Heaven or hell boy, freedom or jail boy
A Jansport bag full of shit I could sell for
The higher, the low boy, just me and my homeboys
The police kill us so we made up our own laws
Been fighting this long war, there's shells in this shores sand
Still young but a grown man, could tell by my stash
Been stackin' money and problems as I wait for the rapture
Death never been no threat, I be chillin', relaxin'
Everybody bleed

[Hook:]
When I was in seventh grade my grandfather told me don't get caught lovin' the streets cause they never gonna love you back. But I feel like it's all we got so it's all we really do love. At the end of the day I feel like the problem is the people that control it don't really come from here, so they can't do nothing but look down on us. We look at them, we see somebody that could help but they look at us and all they see is a nigga. It don't really matter anyway, we all gon' die one day man. One day

Do doves cry when the black man dies, or do we croak with crows
The young catch gun shots, the old catch the holy ghost
Ho I love not, I never seen no pot of gold
Just ball windows and six fours with no switches
Was broke with no bitches, she love me though
You'll kill me if it make you richer, what you screaming, you my brother for
Heart is where the hatred is, the brain that stained the love below
And life is what you make it so I'm makin' money for my folks

[Hook:]

When most people look at a person who does what I do they look at us with these preconceived notions as if, it's a set way for us all to be. But we all people at the end of the day so I wonder why we don't treat each other like it. You're looking at a person telling them that they story don't matter when they're no better than me, walkin' down the streets tryna to shoot at somebody. Cause all we got is these dreams man and y'all ain't never had to have nothing, and that's the last thing you want from anybody. Is to not really have nothing

I been through hell and back, I seen my momma cry
Seen my father hit the crack then hit the set to flip a sack
I done seen my homies die then went on rides to kill 'em back
So how you say you feel me when you never had to get through that?
We live for they amusement like they view us from behind the glass
No matter what we grow into, we never gonna escape our past
So in this cage they made for me, exactly where you find me at
Whether it's my time to leave or not, I never turn my back
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The whole album is meant to be a retrospective look on what it means to be a gang member with the first half being the bangers exemplifying the lifestyle and the second examining the regrets and downsides of being on. It's a goddamn concept album whose core concept you're throwing away because of one song.

Now look, it as a song is obviously going to be taken out context if it's played as a lone track, but if you're (the royal you i.e. anyone who just looks at this song) going to crucify someone as a rapper pushing the stereotypical money, drugs, and bitches lifestyle, at least do your goddamn research. For the record, I haven't watched the video because I know it would get me super pissed, but at least learn some context before slamming somebody. It'd be like saying Kendrick is a shit artist because of "Hood Politics" or saying Kanye's a shit artist because of "Drunk and Hot Girls."
 
Risible said:
Oh, I see, anyone questioning this is automatically racist. Got it. I can see where this is going, so on that note I'm outie. Night all.
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Ah FUCK
My argument is severed


Better drop a comment that further digs my self in a hole and leave before
FUCK

a ban comes

HEY EVERYONE BY THE WAY I AM LEAVING i am still looking at this topic and its taking everything in me not to comment i swear to god if you guys keep posting im gonna have to swing back here and edit my post BYE
 
XANDER CAGE said:
It's extremely fucked up that Johnny Cash advocated shooting people just to watch them die
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And don't even get me started on Bob Marley and his extreme disrespect for the police. I guess we can see where THAT comes from.

This is meant to be incredibly sarcastic and from the view of a super sheltered All Lives Matter type person, please don't take this the wrong way.
 
Risible said:
But they shootin' everyday 'round my mama and them way
So we put a AK where Kiana and them stay
And that's for any nigga say he got a problem wit' me

It goes from "shooting near his moms" to "I got a gun for anyone that starts with me." It's mixed messages at best, and I would argue the bulk of it is bad messaging.
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It's not glamorizing violence or life in the hood at all. I would agree that Vince Staples music is not appropriate for a 10 or 11 year old though. Kids (and some adults apparently) probably don't have the intelligence to separate a story about hopelessness and glamorization. I don't listen to Danny Brown and assume that he's trying to glamorize drug usage.

EDIT: I do agree that parents should pay attention to what their kids listen to though, so I have no problem with the woman getting upset.
 
As a white person, I love listening to white people cry about dumb shit. Her kids are going to listen to Vince and have abortion, you guy!
 
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