Evolution_1ne
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so how many ps3s duct taped together?
vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Proelite
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That comment is legit except for the release date. Must be a typo.
Dev kits are A10 with 384 sps at .5 teraflops +
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html at 1.3 teraflops.
Dev kits are A10 with 384 sps at .5 teraflops +
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Pitcairn-radeon-HD-7850-768-shaders-gpu,15524.html at 1.3 teraflops.
There it is. I see the RAM being upped to 4 GB, and the entire thing comes full circle.
James Sawyer Ford
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"The CPU portion of the APU will have 2 Bulldozer Modules clocked at 3.2 GHz."
Doesn't match up with current rumors.
Nor does the 2GB of unified RAM.
Yeap + 1.84 TF GPU.
James Sawyer Ford
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4 GB of GDDR5 would be amazing, but I don't fully believe it. Seems 2 GB is all that's feasible right now.
Especially if you take into account some of the 2.5D stacking rumors.
Especially if you take into account some of the 2.5D stacking rumors.
It's going to be 4 GB.
James Sawyer Ford
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Anywhere from 4-8GB, I was thinking they may do 2GB of GDDR5 + 4-6 GB of stacked DDR4 memory
Oh snap?
What would be the point? The GDDR5 would be used for games. The stacked memory would be dedicated to OS features. 4 GB of unified GDDR5 it is.
Proelite
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4GB unified fast ram, I think it's clamshell GDDR5.
James Sawyer Ford
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That would be the point -- 2 GB for the GPU as VRAM, the stacked RAM as a cache and OS features.
I hope the 4 GB of GDDR5 rumor is true. That amount of extremely fast RAM would be beastly. But I wonder why people thought that this wasn't feasible? Something about the number of chips. Is stacking possible with GDDR5?
THE:MILKMAN
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Wouldn't it be a waste of money and watts to use GDDR5 RAM for the OS?
Proelite
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Either 16 chips clamshell or higher density GDDR5.
I'm not the person making decisions, but I would believe Sony is avoiding adding to board complexity, programming for two OS's, and saving where they can. In the long run, it'll be like this generation where they are going to have to work hard to reduce that overhead. If I were making decision I would chuck in 1 GB of LPDDR3 like the one in Vita, but the additions to the board is probably a hindrance.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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About that engadget amd interview: It's pretty impressive that they're running a pc game on it. Seems like it should help them gain some marketshare with something as awesome as that.
Zoe
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Guess you missed the five or six times that was mentioned in the past few pages.
I wonder if it's 1.84 discreet with a .5 Tflop APU GPU. 2.34 total would be amazing and right about in line with what Epic wants. Combine that with a nice processor and 4Gb of fast RAM and they system will be damn nice.
The somewhat skewed belief that since this gen has gone on too long, plus PC gamers already having super beefy rigs, the new HD Twins will be severely gimped from the gate.
Proelite
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It's APU only, 1.84 total, about 20-33% better than Durango.
If it's really APU only, with those specs, it shouldn't cost more than $399 at launch.
There's no such thing as 4xMLAA.
OK, cool. After reading what some B3D devs were saying about possible shader optimization as long as there is proper RAM numbers I'm OK with the 1.84 number.
What's the rumored Durango number again? 1.5?
I've been expecting $399 for launch for a while. Maybe a bigger HDD option for $449. If they're not bundling with anything as complex as Kinect 2 they could really undercut MS in price.
1GB of RAM will have to be dedicated to the OS and multitasking.
Wasting 1/4 of the whole memory for that and then be left with 3GB for games is not really efficient, they're wasting money there.
A more efficient approach is to have a lot of cheap memory for OS,multitasking and datas which don't have to be accessed really quickly and then reserve a pool of fast memory to be used for games.
Considering they'll have a discrete GPU it makes more sense to have split memory, 4GB DDR3/4 for CPU and 2GB GDDR5 for graphics.
Microsoft is supposed to go unified, but they're also supposed to go embedded
it's kinda different from their situation.
Proelite
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1.2-1.5
SolidSnakex
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Isn't 4gb bad news when the next Xbox is rumored to be at 8gb of ram?
James Sawyer Ford
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What about the CPU? Bulldozer cores or Steamroller cores?
How powerful is the CPU going to be in terms of flops?
How powerful is the CPU going to be in terms of flops?
Hum...Goes against credible rumours stating Durango is more powerful. If I were to bet on which hardware would be on top, I would not go with Sony's, imo.
Death Dealer
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2GB looked really weak up against Xbox's rumored 8GB. Even if it was faster ram, that's a large deficit to overcome and would probably have made it challenging for multi-platform porting from PC/Xbox to PS4. I think I heard the rumor almost a year ago they were at 2GB but some internal teams like Naughty Dog/SCE Santa Monica were pushing the Sony corporate bean counters to include 4GB. So I'm not surprised at all. PS4 would be screwed with only 2GB.
Should balance out. It's 4GB of fast ram.
James Sawyer Ford
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Not really, quality of ram > quantity of ram.
Read a post on B3D where a developer was explaining that having slower RAM bandwidth means that GPU will be sitting in an unoptimized state. 40% of shaders won't even be in use as a result. You really need FAST RAM so that the GPU can operate at a maximum capacity.
4GB of GDDR5 is far better than anyone here imagined, and I would argue that it'll be much better than 8 GB of DDR3/4 w/ EDRAM
Durango is rumored to have 8Gb of DDR3, which is slow. It'll also have a much larger OS overhead. Orbis is rumored to have 4Gb of fast RAM. Depending on how optimized the OS is is could beat out Durango in terms of RAM bandwidth available to games.
Probably Jaguar cores.
I found this in your thread.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41704115&postcount=3734
Nobody corrected him/her.
Purely in terms of FLOPs, that Steamroller rumour would put it at ~100 GFLOPs (~1/2 of Cell and ~8x Wii U).
Well, I have no idea what he means
So with + discrete GPU where we end up? 2.5 ?
THE:MILKMAN
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But Durango is said to have multiple DSPs. Have we had any indications that Orbis will have similar?
Proelite
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There is no discrete GPU.
James Sawyer Ford
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There aren't any credible rumors stating Durango is more powerful. Just that Microsoft spent a lot of money making the architecture different. Why it needs to be so different, I have no clue, but the rumors have always been that on paper PS4 looks a bit more powerful in the GPU area, but there were also rumors that PS4 would be RAM limited with only 2 GB. This looks like it's not the case anymore, thankfully.
Durango probably will have a more powerful CPU based on the rumors, though.
APU only means APU only. There's no discrete GPU.
StreetDisciple
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I am just anxious to see what Sony's first party studios are up to on this thing. Its going to be amazing.
Evolution_1ne
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Sorney are poorz and can not affordz
James Sawyer Ford
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Purely in terms of FLOPs, that Steamroller rumour would put it at ~100 GFLOPs (~1/2 of Cell and ~8x Wii U).
Well, I have no idea what he means
Wait, this cannot be true. No way is it going to be less powerful than CELL and only 100 GFLOPS?
Proelite
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Cell is marketing flops.