Zuhzuhzombie!!
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I imagine DVR is on the low end. They seem way WAY more focused on Netflix/Hulu like solutions.
DVR has way less legs and importance than digital distribution.
VGLeaks: Details multiple devkits evolution of Orbis
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I imagine DVR is on the low end. They seem way WAY more focused on Netflix/Hulu like solutions.
DVR has way less legs and importance than digital distribution.
Can Crusher
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I read between the lines. And you know, we all have our posting habits.
Sony is financially, in a delicate time? They will throw everything and the kitchen sink, hell with making money.
MS is financially great? They are gonna give us a cheap DVR box for casuals.
How does that shit add up?
Some of the controllers and gadgets are probably optional, or even targeted for release much later.
dragonelite
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leaked theoretical gpu specs.
Orbis had 50% higher TFlops spec.
But theoretical isn't everything you need to occupy the gpu for 100% all the time to reach that. From what im told gddr5 has high latency times so getting to the right place in memory takes some time, if that means you can only approach 70~75% of that theoretical max of 1.84Tflops means something like 1.3+- Tflops of real processing power.
And from rumors were told microsoft has a 1.2+- Tflops gpu but they are working on tech to keep it occupied for 100% most of the time. They will be comparable. What i am wondering is what for graphical pipeline will they developers use. Forward++ AMD LEO demo could have the name wrong. Of Full Deferred Rendering/shading what is hot right now on current gen consoles and engines.
Clay Davis
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if I'm brutally honest, I want there to be one clear 'winner'. I want to be able to point to one console and say with certainty that it's more powerful. this gen it was the ps3 and I have no doubts that it will be the orbis next gen.
what I don't particularly like is the nonsense being spouted that durango will be a cheap pc or will be primarily focused on dvr functionality when there's absolutely nothing to suggest anything of the sort.
indeed, which makes the claims of dvr or stb as its primary focus ridiculous to be perfectly frank.
Lol, I think you're projecting here. To me that doesn't sound like bias, it sounds like a good assumption on what Microsoft's strategy with console gaming might be. It's not even necessarily negative depending on tastes.
What part of his post do you actually think sounds wrong or off base?
Uno Venova
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I've sensed this when people were equating thinking the Orbis was more powerful based on specs means everyone thinks it's 'Xbox 1.5' again, and people were getting called biased for not immediately buying that secret sauce making everything a wash.
Can Crusher
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You really have to explain why you think it's a good assumption. I think it's only fair.
Great response. Not child like at all.
This just in from the other VG leaks thread:
Yesterday, I think it was thuway (not sure) who said that Orbis dev kits were improving and now we see this.
I do not know if it is truth or obfuscation but I feel like these posts contribute to nothing other than provoke people. It surprises me that the mods allow for such continual baiting just because the designated member is privy to insider information that can be used to manipulate many of the readers here.
Yesterday, I think it was thuway (not sure) who said that Orbis dev kits were improving and now we see this.
I do not know if it is truth or obfuscation but I feel like these posts contribute to nothing other than provoke people. It surprises me that the mods allow for such continual baiting just because the designated member is privy to insider information that can be used to manipulate many of the readers here.
lol.
The PS3 isn't clearly more powerful than the 360. It's better at certain things and worse at others, this gen neither console has been clearly more powerful.
Well, a million things. Their direction with kinect, casual gaming, development, studios, pricing, ui design, leaked specs, system ram being used instead of video ram, the amount of RAM rumoured to be put aside for the OS, convergence of XBL with PC and windows, Microsoft's comments about seeing Google and Apple as threats etc etc.
I think it's a good assumption that with the 720 they want more than just a console, but a living room takeover lifestyle machine.
If you have the same bias as someone else, it can be difficult to see that that person is biased.
But it is better if they are more or less same. It will be easier for dev's and easier as a consumer to pick a console based on exclusives.interface and services. It's not easy to buy two consoles at launch that are essentially getting all the same third party content. Buying one for first party only and the other one for third party stuff at launch will be a pain.
Yeah. I sensed that as well. It's normal to have preferences but hopefully that does result in mud slinging and melodramatic accusations and counter accusations.
Death Dealer
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It jives with that 56 page PDF strategy document that leaked last year ?
The one with all of the spiffy illustrations, that people called a hoax until websites started getting cease and desist demands from MS's legal team. That was the first hint we got that MS wasn't going for a traditional console.
I'd say it was a reasonable assumption based on rumours and facts, as I've outlined in my post above. The FXAA dev did exactly that based on his knowledge of things, and I don't think bias comes in to it. Could he be wrong? Of course, but he'll likely be right based on the signs.
Some people are getting too ruffled and caught up on the use of the word DVR. It's just an additional set of features for a wider reaching and more multimedia based console.
Clay Davis
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maybe I should have expanded. in terms of visuals, the ps3 with its first, second and third party exclusive titles has consistently been more impressive.
the 360 didn't really reach the same level of impressiveness with its games until halo 4 and forza horizon.
I'm presuming he just means that it could have certain features common to RTOS, like light weight contexts and some bare metal support. Clearly it won't be a RTOS.
I'd be willing to bet that he is right (other than the OS part), but that PDF isn't a really good source since it is an outdated proposal for Yukon and doesn't seem to have much at all in common with Durango (architecture wise)
James Sawyer Ford
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Proelite has been trolling everyone here with massive disinformation. Do not believe a word that guy says.
I feel like all the conclusions in this thread are pretty much baseless without the indeterminable and unreportable efficiency numbers for both consoles since that seems to be a fairly big factor as it was in the past.
Everyone just looking at the spec sheet which has no indication of how they drive. I suppose that'll never change though.
Everyone just looking at the spec sheet which has no indication of how they drive. I suppose that'll never change though.
Only proelite as far as I can tell of the leakers, trolls like that. The others just give it as they hear it.
Can Crusher
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See, you cherry pick.
What about Move? Eye Toy, Home, Blu Ray etc
Convergence of Xbl with PC and windows (how does that work?) is now an indicator of something casual?
Let's cherry pick rumors? What about touchpads, dual cameras etc
What about Sony now having to go to AMD for a more off the shelf design because the money isn't there anymore?
If we wanna have a real perspective on things, we can't go around only seeing what we want to see, so that it supports our wishes.
It's all conjecture based on what we want to see. It's sad man.
What happens if E3 comes, and all this wishful thinking was for nothing?
Deadly Joker
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So why are these few users exempt from rules that prevent deliberate mass manipulations?
This is the reason why I have respect for Karak, GopherD, BruceLeeRoy (hope I got the name right) and llhere.
Mr X of VGLeaks said to wait until tommorrow in the comments of the Orbis Devkits article. I just checked the comment is removed.
I think with the PS3 Sony absolutely tried for the multimedia route. This time they're going for more core with a few gimmicks thrown in to stay relevant on the casual front. My guess is Move won't come with a PS4, but that Kinect will come with a 720. The casual and non game related pushes will be greater with Microsoft. Though naturally both will push for it. My prediction anyway.
bigboss370
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i don't know about the hardware, but i'd say the exclsuive software/games on PS3 are noticeably more impressive.
Two phrases that don't appear in that blog post:
"Wii... but with a DVR"
"off-the-shelf"
I haven't the faintest fucking idea what is even being argued here. (well, maybe just barely the faintest idea.) But there's definitely something looking like histrionics that is consistently mixed up with one point of view in this thread.
Yeah pretty much this
This latest leak also suggests that Sony might be packing a depth camera with Orbis.
Can Crusher
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See now I can get behind you, it's a level headed opinion. It does make sense that since MS has some momentum with the casual audience, that they won't simply throw it out of the window.
BruceLeeRoy
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James Sawyer Ford
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I believe he was banned for a month or two a while back for his shenanigans related to trolling people about supposed leaks that ended up being sensationalist or speculation.
Could have been unrelated, though.
Clay Davis
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all signs point to a new controller. one that has a touch pad of some kind and might even 'break' apart. can't wait to see it.
this is essentially what I was saying, but didn't expand enough in my post. sony clearly had the more visually stunning titles and I don't expect that to change next gen.
I realise that. I think it's just Sony's me too alternative. Something similar to compete with Kinect but probably not as focused or fleshed out. I.e Move lol.
Officerrob
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You would be one of the few
Commanche Raisin Toast
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Leaked pics of Sony products almost always come from manufacturing lines of the final product, yes?
PS3 slim and super slim right?
PS3 slim and super slim right?
I said it on B3D (and got a yellow warning for it lol) and ill say it a again, Proelite is a liar with zero credibility. at least thats what he want us to think.
Proelite
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I was banned for necro-bumping the IGN 5x 6x thread to call out DCKING.
Yeah but that has to do more with the devs
That's why this insider talk annoys me ever so slightly. Hard and fast facts are one thing but intangibles like "you'll be pleased/shocked/excited" just whip up feelings. Sigh.
And then if people are deliberately spreading misinformation surely that's trolling?
I guess at the end of the day: Put up or shut up. Yeah, that might read like I'm desperate for info/new leaks (no doubt I am) but the other strand to it is the dreaded "attention whoring".
JohnnySasaki86
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Durango may be more efficient and get closer to reaching that theoretical maximum. But from the way I read it on beyond3d it still wouldn't be 100%. Don't think it ever could be. Say it did 90% vs Orbis being 75%, Orbis would still hold a real use 300flop advantage(1.08tfvs1.38tf). It helps close the gap, but thats still a significant 25% advantage.
Officerrob
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Yeah, because a $700-$800 console would sell gangbusters right?
Your latency math is really, really wrong. True, GDDR5 is higher latency but it's not going to cut off 25% of performance. Nowhere near that. There are ways around it too.
BruceLeeRoy
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I know how to do this advanced form of paying for things called saving.