It's highly unlikely, as demonstrated by the PC port of Saints Row 2. If your PC's clock speed is higher or lower than 3.2GHz, the game will run faster than it's supposed to, because the in-game timing is based on the 360's clock speed. It's quite possible that there are many more games that would break down in the same way if they are run on the 1.6GHz processor of the Durango, which would not be acceptable for backwards compatibility.
VGLeaks rumor: Durango CPU Overview
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It's highly unlikely, as demonstrated by the PC port of Saints Row 2. If your PC's clock speed is higher or lower than 3.2GHz, the game will run faster than it's supposed to, because the in-game timing is based on the 360's clock speed. It's quite possible that there are many more games that would break down in the same way if they are run on the 1.6GHz processor of the Durango, which would not be acceptable for backwards compatibility.
IBM also has a simulator for the Cell processor which runs on x86. That doesn't mean anything for a games system with Jaguar cores.
Exactly, the problem is with execution speed, not instruction set translation. I'm betting on it being impossible to emulate the 360 CPU on the CPU rumored to be in durango.
well they do have a 32nm version (oban) that afaik hasn't made it into any products yet. could be due to the rumored bad yields though.
Seriously, do not do this.
What I'm saying is that some batshit insane rumors turned out to be true.
B3D wrote that rumor off as false and untrue. (Before GAF went Inception on it)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62575
It's almost like some read what they want to believe. I take anything I read on there with a huge grain of salt. But come on, there is a possibility that it can be true.
Theres a difference between bat shit insane for a game company, and Microsoft launching with a console that costs upwards of $600
Flatline
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Dude you've been doing this for a while now and it's becoming really fucking disruptive. Your terrible false equivalences don't excuse that behavior either, you can't compare random posts in B3D with legitimate sources and posters we know are reliable. I mean, come the fuck on, that guy only had 2 posts and you quoted him as if it was some legitimate source. Seriously, please stop it.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Since we're discussing the new probably false two APU rumor, here's an interesting quote as to why it and other "secret sauce" related hope is unnecessary:
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1716209&postcount=1763
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1716209&postcount=1763
shinra-bansho
Member
There's a 'possibility' everything leaked is wrong and Microsoft are actually putting in SLI'd dual GTX 680s.
I could make an account on B3D and post such nonsense.
One should have the ability to rationally discern plausibility from pie in the sky 'possibility'.
I could make an account on B3D and post such nonsense.
One should have the ability to rationally discern plausibility from pie in the sky 'possibility'.
Well I've put everything into perspective so I hope everyone understands.
The problem your having is taking rumors from people even though they are from credible posters and quickly writing off that from another person saying rumors, everything can and will be disregarded until MS announces their official specs.
Arguing rumors over other rumors.
Really?
Plus you can't just say that there's 11% less pixels and framerate is 20% worse, add them and say that's a 30% difference between the versions.
Some people are just setting themselves up to be thoroughly disappointed. VGleaks and Eurogamer (which was the most accurate by far) already confirmed almost 99% of the leak specs of the PS4 but somehow they just happen to be wrong about the Xbox 720 because the specs isn't pleasing to them?
I can understand enthusiasm but this is getting ridiculous. Word of advise, just wait for MS to unveil the console and stop grasping for straws.
I can understand enthusiasm but this is getting ridiculous. Word of advise, just wait for MS to unveil the console and stop grasping for straws.
Vejle, really? That's a city in the middle of Denmark, just an hour away from Legoland and the bridge right next to it (Vejlefjordbroen) is the biggest bottleneck in Denmark connecting everything north of it to Germany, Sweden, Copenhagen...
I guess that OT stuff shows what that chip would be inside the Durango
Apparently there's about the 54 more days before MS confirms anything. Gonna be a long wait.
Glorified G
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No you're not. You're cherry picking certain 'rumors' that you want to happen by hiding behind this disingenuous theory that anything posted on the internet all have the same credibility.
Or you really do lack any critical thinking skills.
I'm going to give you more credit and go with the former. You're intentionally being obtuse.
shinra-bansho
Member
You do realise you responded to him telling you to stop using false equivalence with further false equivalence.
All rumors are not equal, nor should they be treated as such. One hopes you're simply being willfully ignorant, rather than unintentionally so.
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but a moderator from VGLeaks said that the CPU overview is not based on old documents. It's based on documents from 2013.
Going by how close they were with the PS4, I'm inclined to believe then when it comes to Durango leaks.
It's in the comments.
Going by how close they were with the PS4, I'm inclined to believe then when it comes to Durango leaks.
Rhodington • 3 days ago
Vgleaks, answer this: Why are you posting copy and paste articles from a 1 year old PDF document??
At least have the decency to put a disclaimer and acknowledge that things might have (most probably) changed.
vgleakscom Mod Rhodington • 3 days ago
Sorry, it's not one year old info
Rhodington vgleakscom • 3 days ago
Well then, 10 month old? In other words, how old is the info and can we expect/not expect changes? How old the info is is detrimental to it's purported accuracy.
vgleakscom Mod Rhodington • 3 days ago −
2013
It's in the comments.
It's up to the developers. If they want to push graphics and effects, then it might not run at 60. In a related note, Battlefield 4 is rumored to run at 60FPS on the next consoles.
Those figures don't add up. I am dubious about the aggregate bandwidth claims. I guess it will be post launch before we get some really technical details on how the ESRAM mitigates to slow DDR3 speed.
And as for:
You can't just add up a bunch of disparate numbers and say 'hey, that's 30%'. Again, using current gen examples is meaningless, as the PS3 and 360 are different architectures. The Crytek engine obviously runs better on the 360.
The only example I can think of would be to see how games run on two PCs. Both have the same CPU, but one has a Cape Verde GPU, the other a Pitcairn. What real world performance benefit do you get from having a more powerful (but same architecture) GPU. Does having a GPU with double the CUs give a 100% FPS boost? a 50% boost? Nothing?
Does such a metric already exist? It won't give a true picture, as it doesn't take into consideration the RAM differences or the unique tweaks the PS4 and Xbox will both have, but it's better than plucking random figures out of your arse.
Actually I'm giving all of them a chance. All of them.
Including always-online and no used games.
The 2 most of GAF and a majority of the Internet hates.
Well JJD's quote two posts above yours is interesting. It appears that VG Leaks info is not old as we suspected.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
The X% comments in these days make me feel i'm reading Scott Steiner's math
Of course they said their info is new,even it likely become true.
ChosenPredator
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i really do hope they announce these damn specs before everyone tears each other a part and we can all get along again
pieatorium
Member
So PS4 has a 141 and 2/3% chance of being more powerful,
I might be wrong, but VGLeaks never mentioned a timeframe for when they learned about their rumors.
Many people believed that it was based on old info, perhaps more than 1 year old.
Now they are saying their info is not that old at all. I think that is a considerable difference.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
I suppose you don't believe their leaks?
If they felt like they needed to say something they would address it specifically on the site, not on the comments section of a post. The moderator just dropped a small, interesting (for those who are inclined to believe then) tidbit. They didn't feel that it was necessary to clear anything up.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
They need to say something doesn't mean they need to respond on the site,even a comment still enough to make people notice it and let them(like you) share to public.
Plus i always think vgleaks info likely be true,just don't really care how powerful of 720(or PS4/WiiU) if MS(and Sony/Nintendo) can show games i want,then i will buy it.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
I don't think he's trying to draw a 1:1 comparison, it's obviously a loose example. His general point is if the difference is 30%, that difference could translate into a variety of different things visually, but most people arent going to be able to notice those specific differences and therefore won't care.
(Think of it this way, the sooner people accept the 1.2 teraflop Durango GPU as not being "that bad", the sooner "secret sauce" can be retired for good.)
James Sawyer Ford
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The difference is 50% relative to Durango's specs.
Both figures are correct, just depends on which way you want to spin it.
The Durango has 33% fewer FLOPS that the PS4.
The PS4 has 50% more FLOPS than the Durango.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
ERP mentioned he expected a real world difference of 20-30%, I took the 30% to be referencing the overall real-world difference.
cartoon_soldier
Member
PS4 specs are revealed. Durango's specs are rumored.
We can at least wait until both consoles are unveiled.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
141 and 2/3% to win nextgen,only 8 and 1/3% for MS
And Iwata knows he can't beat Kaz so he's not even gonna try.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Will Dual-APUs become the new "8 GB GDDR5!"?
One is reality the other isn't.
Pristine_Condition
Member
MCV said:
Games journalism.
AdventureRacing
Member
Or will it become the new secret sauce?
IHaveCandy
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To be fair, 8 GB GDDR5 was scoffed at as impossible prior to the announcement. I can't imagine this Dual-APU rumor could have been a recent change. The only way I see it being real is if it was in the works for a very long time, and the entire system architecture is built around dual-APUs. Basically, every other leak would have to be completely wrong.
There is one person in that B3D thread that is doubting the leak. Nice spin ..