I don't know why you clarifying in detail, precisely what I just said, makes you feel the need to call me a jackass. It feels a little, you know, rude...
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Vice-Presidential Debate |OT| The Big F$@*ing Deal vs. The Randian from Dairyland
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I don't know why you clarifying in detail, precisely what I just said, makes you feel the need to call me a jackass. It feels a little, you know, rude...
Biden's tact was a direct response to the frustration and passion with which the left has for truly helping the middle class (not just saying they care) and correcting the lies that Ryan/Romney portray as truth to the general, less informed, public.
so yea passion and fed up with the deception nets Ryan a big STFU with regard to his memorized rhetoric. Just becauae your side can lie with a smile doesn't make it right. When Joe Biden and a lot on the left see an injustice in the world we bend steel to make it right. That is the passion and frustration you saw. Biden was protecting the middle class and somtimes that requires a bus driver uppercut.
long time coming, that was. Especialy considering he gave Palin a complete pass and kid gloved her all night while she gave a memorized campaign speech in a "debate" 4 years ago.
Sure I did. Because when your only argument is stagecraft and frustrations that your candidate of choice was being called out for his bullshit, then you have no argument. You've lost.
I have a less of a problem with one being disrespectful if the other is completely lacking in respectability. What you're talking about, demeanor, is kind of subjective and, taking into account this is Crazy Uncle Joe we're talking about, it was kind of expected and more than kind of deserved. Ryan is a huge bullshitter and I'm glad somebody finally gave him a smackdown face to face on tv. It was deserved.
thecouncil
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yeah, but biden interrupted ryan. so,... i think it's fair to say that invalidates biden's point.
sarcasm
Sye d'Burns
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Who said anything about winning or losing? We were talking about rudeness. You didn't say your parents claimed Biden lost, just that he was rude.
The_Darkest_Red
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As someone who will most definitely not be voting for Obama I have to admit that I felt like Biden won that debate without any question. His attitude was obnoxious at times but his answers were much more effective at conveying actual details that were very applicable to the conversation, as opposed to Ryan who seemed like he was reading from a script and wasn't capable of reacting to Biden's rebuttals on the fly.
You're implying hat I live in an echo chamber because I thought something contrary to what you believe. That's a huge leap to make. It's insulting to assume that someone feeds themselves willfully with biased information just because you disagree. I'm not stupid and I don't waste time on slanted information.
Biden had the better preparation last night, but his approach totally masked the fact that he had an upper hand. It just seemed really weird to get up in Ryan's face like that.
metalslimer
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Yep, the people who talk about rudeness usually don't even delve into how terrible Ryan did at explaining anything he wanted to do. Speaking of condescension, conservatives didn't seem to mind Ryan trying to make a Biden gaffe machine joke, or telling Biden he knows that he was exhausted.
Ryan could not have lost harder than in the moment that Biden revealed that Ryan asked for stimulus money to create jobs, TWICE, just after Ryan criticized the stimulus.
Anton Sugar
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Got that Ryan meme from this fun Jezebel article. One of my fav parts of the debate is listed:
Also:
Also:
And again: when your only argument is to huff and puff about stagecraft and having your candidate be called out on his talking points, then yes, you did not have a good night. This is a debate for the leader of the free world, not a colloquial gesture between two politicians. The reason why undecided voters say that Biden won the debate is because of the way he carried himself.
Got that Ryan meme from this fun Jezebel article. One of my fav parts of the debate is listed:
Also:
That was, far and away, the pinnacle of the debate. You can't come back from that. Your bullshit. It was called out.
Anton Sugar
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Those polls are actually from an alternate universe.
Sympathy bump. That's all I've been trying to say. Americans that aren't up on the issues vote the guy they like, so it's important to be likable.
And yet the polls that just looked at undecided voters went for Biden.
Sye d'Burns
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If you have to deal with huffing and puffing, I suggest moving away from the big bad wolves or getting reinforced walls.
I enjoy the schizophrenic nature of these debate threads. I've spent the last week hearing how Romney ran roughshod over Obama by *gasp* smiling while Lehrer went awol and left Obama at the mercy of Romney who promptly took full advantage of Obama by letting Obama take 4 extra minutes to say 500 fewer words. Oh the humanity, where was the decorum? Fast forward a week and all is right in the world.
That discombobulated feeling that you are experiencing; it's what happens when reality intrudes upon GAF groupthink.
Red Blaster
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I found that bit hilarious.
Just wanted to quote this post as part of an elaborate system of mockery.
stupid Americans... forget voter ID laws, we need voter IQ laws.
yes both sides has ignorant fools
So the predator became the prey and now they're crying about it. Ironic. The situation and the use of language.
The_Darkest_Red
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And no one made any such comments about Obama before his first debate I'm sure...
blazeuk
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Ryan completely fell apart whenever he was pressed on issues, he had his script and he tried as best as he could to stick to it, whenever he was pushed to give more detail, he came out with some ridiculous stuff. Biden was clearly dumbfounded at some of the answers he was hearing and whilst his laughing has given the Republicans something to jump onto to deflect from the poor performance, it was a justified response to the things Ryan was saying.
BAM... finally The right's willingness to impose their personal religious beliefs on the rest of us contrasted by someone else of faith abiding by his church's doctrine yet having the reason to say but as an American it is not our place to IMPOSE that doctrine on those who do not believe in that same doctrine..
that to me is what this election is about, abortion being just a sample of the social impositions the neo-right would impose if they win.
And no one made any such comments about Obama before his first debate I'm sure...
People did, and they got mocked. I didn't, and now I am mocking. We're not actually a hive mind, you know.
I'm not implying anything. You picked a single meaningless statistic to make a point about Biden's style, not his substance. You didn't compare it to the number of times Biden was himself interrupted by Ryan, so we don't even have a ratio for this lack of ettiquette and frankly I'm mortified that we as a nation keep fucking focusing on personality and style over substance and policy. I don't give a shit how many times Biden interrupted Ryan and in fact, because Ryan lied and dissembled his way through the interview, I'm surprised the moderator (who actually did a decent job, more or less) didn't interrupt him more.
Biden is rude, and brash and gaffe-prone, it is known. So on that basis we could simply have called the debate for Ryan, ahead of time and saved ourselves the drama.
Politics should not be a popularity or ettiquette contest. In fact we'd all do well to learn from the British parliament, where bullshit is called out as bullshit, on the spot. Where shouting facts when lies are whispered is appropriate and correct and where ettiquette and manners often take second place to argument and rhetoric.
The_Darkest_Red
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Oh, of course not. I'm sure there are just as many Romney supporters here on GAF as Obama supporters.
As someone watching from the UK that was a great debate, thought Biden came across really well. It's good to see a politician actually getting passionate about something, you felt it really mattered to him. And whereas they will all be guilty of spinning things, calling Ryan out on flat-out lies and contradictions was very effective.
Didn't really know much about Ryan before but thought he came across as terrible, just a collection of sound bites and unable to respond to things. Just going through the motions and hopelessly out-classed by someone it seemed to matter far more to.
Didn't really know much about Ryan before but thought he came across as terrible, just a collection of sound bites and unable to respond to things. Just going through the motions and hopelessly out-classed by someone it seemed to matter far more to.
Anton Sugar
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Yeah, that was a perfect answer.
Dude he knows the names of some places in Afghanistan!
That may be so, but it seems as if that sample is voting Republican simply because they are Republican without actually listening to what is being said. They seem to think "Oh, Biden is an asshole. Look at that smirk." while ignoring any of the actual information being presented. It's lunacy.
yea, I can picture him lookng in the mirror doing curls, repeating those names over and over.
anotherVegan
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Every time a Republican frowns upon Joe Biden interrupting or reacting naturally to the conversation, a Fox News talking head loses his/her wings. If I had a dollar for each time one of them interrupted a guest, I would be richer than Romney.
OrangeYouGlad
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I'll never understand the American political system. Post ads defacing someone in their personal life, that's ok. Interrupt the other candidate in a debate, that's rude.
To me Biden had the clear advantage of feeling more genuine in his answers, whether or not he was actually being genuine. It felt like Ryan was trying to force people to accept his views rather than present them for people to decide.
He also looks incredibly smug.
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... Or someone could say it better than me. Agree with everything said as an outsider looking in.
To me Biden had the clear advantage of feeling more genuine in his answers, whether or not he was actually being genuine. It felt like Ryan was trying to force people to accept his views rather than present them for people to decide.
He also looks incredibly smug.
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... Or someone could say it better than me. Agree with everything said as an outsider looking in.
thecouncil
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everyone generally agrees that romney ran over obama and WON.
everyone is saying that biden ran over ryan and WON.
you (or maybe not you, but people) are trying to say:
romney ran over obama and WON
biden ran over ryan and LOST.
thats the difference.
right?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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You're pretty much wrong on all accounts.
Crappy debate.
Biden looked the fool.
Biden lied all night.
Ryan won according to several polls.
And saying Biden has any class whatsoever makes me think this is a joke post.
Can someone please alter the uppercut gif with Biden and Ryan? Please?
Great debate
Ryan looked like a fool that didn't know what he was talking about and was called on it
Even your own fact check link from earlier said nothing of the sort
Ryan won according to one poll that admits right in its methodology that it's flawed, and a specific time period for an online poll which has swung the other way since.... Ryan also lost in an undecided voters poll that was scientifically done.
Not like Ryan has any class at all...
thecouncil
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crazy how scripted ryan's response is to the abortion question.
listen to how odd his delivery is for the line "...that's a factor, of course..." around 13:30
he's just going over the rehearsed script in his head. not natural at all.
and also the little laugh before, "ya know, i think about 10-1/2 years ago..." at 13:37
so fake. so weird.
listen to how odd his delivery is for the line "...that's a factor, of course..." around 13:30
he's just going over the rehearsed script in his head. not natural at all.
and also the little laugh before, "ya know, i think about 10-1/2 years ago..." at 13:37
so fake. so weird.
OrangeYouGlad
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Most of what he said felt rehearsed. Every time he started a response with one of his stories I couldn't help but cringe.
Omegasquash
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Great debate.
Both parties had ups and downs.
Both sides fudged lots.
Biden won according to several polls.
And Biden shows restraint.
Can you tell me what you did that I didn't?
teruterubozu
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Ryan looked like he was doing a book report. I'm the same age as the guy and he still looked like a kid to me.
This guy is just trolling you guys.
At least I hope that's all he's doing.
If that's an actual opinion then...wow.
faceless007
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So no specifics?
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