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[greepoman]

I guess it's understandable, since doctors recommend it, and parents want the best for their child, but in my view it seems kinda unnecessary and overblown. Doctors recommend yearly flu-shots too, and I never take those.

I can't stand shots, so this is something I'd personally cancel a visit over. I'd just visit them some other time.

I can see yearly flu shots as a pain especially how it might not even be the right strain, but there's little excuse for not getting a TDaP shot.

The more I think about it the more ridiculous it is. In fact if you're already seeing your doctor yearly they should be giving you TDAP every 10 years anyway regardless of if you're around babies. I mean 1 shot every 10 years and it protects you from Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis (whooping cough)! . Sure whooping cough is mild but go look up Tetanus and diphtheria...You don't want to deal with it.


I repeat again...A $20 shot that protects you from 3 shitty diseases for 10 years. How can you be against this.

 

[zer0das]

How can you be 28 and not know what TDAP is?

 

[Count Dookkake]

Pass.

 

[Keri]

I guess it's understandable, since doctors recommend it, and parents want the best for their child, but in my view it seems kinda unnecessary and overblown. Doctors recommend yearly flu-shots too, and I never take those.

If you're a young healthy adult then the risks to you of skipping a flu shot are small, but for a newborn or the elderly, the risks of the flu are significant. I mean, I get it. I use to be terribly afraid of shots too and never use to get a flu shot. Once I had a child though, I really realized the importance of flu shots. (Also, pregnancy and the numerous blood draws, shots and general poking and prodding, really seems to have helped alleviate my fear of needles - also shout out to the epidural - xoxo).

 

[Red]

You are putting old people, young kids, immunocompromised at risk. That is why we recommend it mainly. Herd immunity. It is completely not unnecessary and overblown. Your view is wrong.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/pert.html

Pertussis - United States, 1980-2012

Take a wild guess as to why the cases of pertussis have significantly risen in the recent years?

Convincing people against vaccines they are wrong requires them to have the self awareness and ability to recognize their own direct impact on the health of others. They are part of the problem. They contribute to the rise of preventable illness. They cause children to die. They often meet this information with apathy or incredulity. What is a good way to circumvent that mindset? "Sure, the 'experts' say I should get vaccinated, but that's not really true." Or "you're exaggerating—I've never made anyone else sick." As if they could know. Usually I try to appeal to their obvious, overwhelming selfishness. Being sick will negatively affect you, I tell them. No, the flu vaccine will not make you sick. Think of the cost savings of a vaccine vs dealing with pay lost and money spent toward treating a preventable illness. Even that advice usually falls on deaf ears.

 

[GDJustin]

Babies don't get a full round of immunizations until 2 months. When they're younger than that they are VERY susceptible to illness, and it *can* kill them. It's scary stuff.

We didn't ask people about their immunization status when visiting our new baby but we did make them wash their hands.

 

[Toxi]

Please vaccinate if you are able. It's a minor inconvenience and it helps protect people.

 

[Skellig Gra]

If my "best friend" asked me to do this I wouldn't think twice about it.

 

[Carl]

How can you be 28 and not know what TDAP is?

Im only 25 but have literally never heard of it

I assume i got MMR vaccine as a baby. I got meningitis vaccine at 10 years old because a kid in my school got it. I don't think i've had any vaccinations for anything since then

 

[Keri]

Babies don't get a full round of immunizations until 2 months. When they're younger than that they are VERY susceptible to illness, and it *can* kill them. It's scary stuff.

We didn't ask people about their immunization status when visiting our new baby but we did make them wash their hands.

They don't get their full round of immunizations until 12 months. At least, they can't get the MMR shot until then. I can't wait until my son can finally get that vaccination. There was a recent measles outbreak in my area, thanks to anti-vaxxers. It makes me so mad.

 

[Red]

Being born into a relatively safe world has made people take that safety for granted.

 

[Zoe]

Im only 25 but have literally never heard of it

I assume i got MMR vaccine as a baby. I got meningitis vaccine at 10 years old because a kid in my school got it. I don't think i've had any vaccinations for anything since then

Unless you're too old for standards that have been around for decades, you needed to have had other shots in order to attend public school.

 

[greepoman]

a coworker nearly died from an infection from puncture by chicken wire

Yeah I mean how stupid would you feel if you died from Tetanus just cause you didn't get one shot every 10 years. You can be selfish about whooping cough but Tetanus is some that can easily affect you personally because you know sometimes there's a nail on the ground you don't see.

1 shot every 10 yrs..$20...Effective against tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough. Get your TDAP!

 

[old manatee]

I'm going to start demanding that babies get shots before hanging around me. They don't wash their grubby hands, and they put everything in their mouths, and their shitty little immune systems make them perfect carriers for every kind of horrible sickness. A baby would eat its own poop if you let it. Just despicable.

 

[The Mule]

This is perfectly reasonable.

 

[Carl]

Unless you're too old for standards that have been around for decades, you needed to have had other shots in order to attend public school.

Well i obviously can't remember if i had any before i started primary school as my memory doesn't stretch back to when i was 3 But i certainly didn't have any before starting secondary school at 11 years old, and i've 100% not had any vaccinations since then.

 

[EnlightenedMint]

Had to do the same for my niece, it's pretty easy, just called up a local CVS and they had it there.

 

[MutFox]

I've heard that if you get the flu shot,
the 1st 2 weeks wouldn't make a difference.

So if you saw the kid a day after getting the shot, it would be like you never had the shot.

Not sure if that's true or not.

 

[witness]

My sister had my wife and I get a Tdap when we were going to see her newborn. Perfectly reasonable and it's really something you should have. Took just a few minutes to get at Walgreens.

 

[Red]

I've heard that if you get the flu shot,
the 1st 2 weeks wouldn't make a difference.

So if you saw the kid a day after getting the shot, it would be like you never had the shot.

Not sure if that's true or not.

It takes two weeks to build antibodies.

 

[RetroMG]

Couple of thoughts on this from a new(ish) parent.

-Our doctor actually instructed us to ask close friends and family to get vaccinated. So this might be coming from people who are following the advice of a medical professional.

-My sister-in-law has had two kids in the last two years, and she is a bit overprotective of them. Last Christmas, she asked around if everyone had gotten vaccinated, and my teenage nephew (from another sister-in-law, and who, to be fair, is kind of a jerk sometimes, as much as I love him) told her that she was being stupid, and that he would not get the shot. So my sister-in-law then declared that she and her family weren't coming over for Christmas. (Family Christmas is a big deal in my wife's family.) When asked, she made it very clear that it was my nephew's fault because he wanted her baby to get sick.

Now, IMO, both sides were in the wrong here. My nephew could have kept the peace and gotten the shot. Heck, he could have TOLD his aunt he'd gotten the shot, and she would have believed him, even if he didn't. On the other hand, my sister-in-law shouldn't have demonized him about the whole thing.

My point here is, whether you agree or disagree, there's no need to be an ass about it with the people you love.

-As for me and my wife, we politely asked everyone on both sides of the family to be vaccinated, but we also agreed that we weren't going to throw a fit if it didn't happen. After all, we take the kid out in public, too. While we want to prepare her for as much as we can, we can't protect her from everything.

 

[Wereroku]

If it makes you feel better OP you are supposed to be getting the TDAP booster around that time anyway. I am pretty sure a lot of adults are missing the boosters they should be getting thinking it's only a kid thing. Flu vaccine isn't required but it does help.

 

[InterMusketeer]

You are putting old people, young kids, immunocompromised at risk.

I live in the Netherlands, and have never heard of people needing these periodic shots. Our government recommends flu-shots for the elderly and that's about it. I'm pretty sure the 'vaccine culture', if you can call it that, is quite different here from the US. I got several shots as a kid and have never been approached about 'boosters.' Pretty sure that's not a thing here.

So I don't really feel guilty about not getting shots no one else here seems to be getting. I've not heard of this being a concern from young parents either.

 

[Deleted member 80556]

The ignorance in this thread is infuriating. Hundreds of millions in healthcare would be saved and used in other things if people took 15 minutes to get their fucking shots. Not to mention the lives saved from it.

It really surprises me how people make up dumb excuses not to take the shots.

I never take a flu shot personally. Isn't it also "healthy" to get sick once in a while to train your immune system? Of course not if you are newborn or old, but for everyone else.

The shot is training your immune system without you getting sick. Unless you really like to get and get others sick, I don't see why you wouldn't get all the shots you can.

 

[Particle Physicist]

I live in the Netherlands, and have never heard of people needing these periodic shots. Our government recommends flu-shots for the elderly and that's about it. I'm pretty sure the 'vaccine culture', if you can call it that, is quite different here from the US. I got several shots as a kid and have never been approached about 'boosters.' Pretty sure that's not a thing here.

So I don't really feel guilty about not getting shots no one else here seems to be getting. I've not heard of this being a concern from young parents either.

https://www.government.nl/topics/vaccinations/contents/vaccination-of-children

Most parents in the Netherlands (over 95%) have their children vaccinated. The first round is performed between the ages of 0 and 4. When they reach the age of 9, two vaccinations are repeated: DTP (diphtheria, tetanus and polio) and MMR (measles, mumps and rubella; in Dutch BMR). Girls are also offered vaccination to protect them against cervical cancer in the year they turn 13. These vaccinations are free of charge.

By contrast, US data:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/immunize.htm

Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (4+ doses DTP, DT, or DTaP): 84.2%
Polio (3+ doses): 93.3%
Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) (1+ doses): 91.5%
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) (primary series + booster dose): 82.0%
Hepatitis B (Hep B) (3+ doses): 91.6%
Chickenpox (Varicella) (1+ doses): 91.0%
Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine (PCV) (4+ doses): 82.9%
Combined 7-vaccine series: 71.6%

That data is for 19-35 months but it's not much better for older kids: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/hus15.pdf#067

That is why it is stressed in the US.

As far as the flu, the recommendations all depend on population density of the country etc. It is not a 'vaccine culture.' I didn't realize that you lived in the Netherlands, but recommendation there are different given the different population and population densities. You can't compare for things like flu.

 

[Wereroku]

I live in the Netherlands, and have never heard of people needing these periodic shots. Our government recommends flu-shots for the elderly and that's about it. I'm pretty sure the 'vaccine culture', if you can call it that, is quite different here from the US. I got several shots as a kid and have never been approached about 'boosters.' Pretty sure that's not a thing here.

So I don't really feel guilty about not getting shots no one else here seems to be getting. I've not heard of this being a concern from young parents either.

Link. Here is a decent breakdown from the CDC. For the DTP shots after 18 you are supposed to get a reup every 10 years to keep the effectiveness at the highest levels. It varies between vaccines but anyone working or living around rust should follow that schedule to the t.

 

[greepoman]

I live in the Netherlands, and have never heard of people needing these periodic shots. Our government recommends flu-shots for the elderly and that's about it. I'm pretty sure the 'vaccine culture', if you can call it that, is quite different here from the US. I got several shots as a kid and have never been approached about 'boosters.' Pretty sure that's not a thing here.

So I don't really feel guilty about not getting shots no one else here seems to be getting. I've not heard of this being a concern from young parents either.

I looked into it a little and interestingly enough one of the main reasons you don't have it is because you guys are so good at getting shots in the first place! Amazingly you guys have a 95% immunization rate ( according to your health services) even with a voluntary program. In the US there are some states that are sub-80%. Adults are being recommended to take the vaccine cause of the higher rates of the disease (nearly 10x per 100,000 people) in some years).


Also a big contributor is that the vaccine is covered for pregnant women in your country. The mother is one of the main transmitters to babies and prenatal care in the US is way below that of the Netherlands.

Edit: Damnit Particle Physicist beat me to it.

 

[andythinkpad]

I would just call off the visit.

 

[D6AMIA6N]

TDAP. They don't want the baby getting the flu or whooping cough. Reasonable to me.

We asked friends and family to be vaccinated before visiting our newborn son last April. Pretty standard.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

That's a totally reasonable request to make. But if you aren't cool with getting the shot, just don't visit the kid until he's older.

 

[metalslimer]

Vaccines are 100% the greatest medical achievement ever so it's kind of sad how little people respect them

 

[Earthbound64]

This is honestly the most terrible post in this thread:

They are crazy and being over-protective. The best thing you can do is not take the shots, go there anyway, and cough on the kid. Then they will learn.

I'm hoping it was sarcasm / "morbid humor," but even still - even without the extreme of purposely coughing on the child, it reveals the scary fact that there probably are people who would just say they had been vaccinated, and the friend / family member would trust them...

 

[TaterTots]

ehhh sounds like they don't want their kid getting sick. I see nothing wrong with it. I'd do it, but I always get my shots.

 

[Zakalwe]

Never heard of this in England, plenty of my friends have kids too...

I don't think it's normal at all, but fuck it the shot's not going to give you autism and you'll look real tough in front of the baby with your vax scars.

This is honestly the most terrible post in this thread:



I'm hoping it was sarcasm / "morbid humor," but even still - even without the extreme of purposely coughing on the child, it reveals the scary fact that there probably are people who would just say they had been vaccinated, and the friend / family member would trust them...

Don't worry Junior, it was clearly a joke. You can sleep easy.

 

[crazy monkey]

New generation is over protecting. Never heard of it . If you are sick you do not stay close to kids other than that sickness is everywhere. In malls pets cars.

 

[RumblingRosco]

New generation is over protecting. Never heard of it . If you are sick you do not stay close to kids other than that sickness is everywhere. In malls pets cars.

You're wrong. Everyone should be responsible enough to be vaccinated in the first place so parents don't have to make these requests. The parents aren't at fault here, the OP is for not having his vaccinations up to date.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Guys, clearly the correct solution is to throw our babies out into the wild for a few days and only raise them if they can crawl their way back. Any baby that can't survive that was clearly too weak and deserved to die. /s

seriously, just because they probably won't die doesn't change the fact that they could. When it comes to a baby's safety and life, I don't think it's crazy at all to try to minimize risks at such a fragile age, especially when the solutions are as easy as getting a cheap shot that you can be obtained easily. Why would you even take chances with this shit

 

[gohepcat]

Just wash your hands when you enter the house and if you even have a slight cough/runny nose, dont go see the baby.

Other than that, no that's just stupid. The Flu shots dont prevent you from getting the flu. I got it when we had our son and it did jack shit. i didnt make anyone in my family get it. but they knew when they were sick they couldnt come see the baby.

I swear, people are going fucking nuts. we all survived without forcing every relative to get flu shots. ffs.

Lets stop this shit right here, right now. The flu shot is safe, and stops the most common flu virus from spreading out of control.

You can't say this shit and not get called out for it. Stop telling people this..ever.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

New generation is over protecting. Never heard of it .

Okay, well now you have and the CDC recommends it as would any competent doctor.

Your old opinion is wrong.

 

[Calamari41]

-My sister-in-law has had two kids in the last two years, and she is a bit overprotective of them. Last Christmas, she asked around if everyone had gotten vaccinated, and my teenage nephew (from another sister-in-law, and who, to be fair, is kind of a jerk sometimes, as much as I love him) told her that she was being stupid, and that he would not get the shot. So my sister-in-law then declared that she and her family weren't coming over for Christmas. (Family Christmas is a big deal in my wife's family.) When asked, she made it very clear that it was my nephew's fault because he wanted her baby to get sick.

Now, IMO, both sides were in the wrong here.

I don't know, maybe a kick in the ass like that would be a good thing for your nephew. That's a highly disrespectful reaction for a child to have to a request from an adult relative. Doubly so considering it concerned the health of an infant.

 

[gohepcat]

I live in the Netherlands, and have never heard of people needing these periodic shots. Our government recommends flu-shots for the elderly and that's about it. I'm pretty sure the 'vaccine culture', if you can call it that, is quite different here from the US. I got several shots as a kid and have never been approached about 'boosters.' Pretty sure that's not a thing here.

So I don't really feel guilty about not getting shots no one else here seems to be getting. I've not heard of this being a concern from young parents either.

Science must work differently there huh.

Looks like your country's vaccine rate is incredibly high, despite you not realizing people get a flu shot at the doctors every year.

 

[riotous]

I've never heard of anyone asking this; I'm 38 and have visited loads of babies.

Seems like in general a good practice though; they must be teaching young parents to be more cautious?

How can you be 28 and not know what TDAP is?

I'd never heard of it; but I've had it. I've always just heard it refereed to as a tetanus shot.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

Vaccine Culture is the name of my new Ska band.

Also, remember that due to a for-profit insurance system, people avoid going to the doctor until they need to go to the ED. And that vacations and sick days can be used up. The flu shot being used by more than those at-risk makes sense in America.

 

[Earthbound64]

Don't worry Junior, it was clearly a joke. You can sleep easy.

You say that, but...
Even if the "and cough on the child" part was a "joke," the rest of it may well not have been...

 

[digdug2k]

These people sounds nuts. We just kept lots of Purelle aroundand told people not to come if they were sick.

But... friends are friends. I wouldn't push it unless you're prepared to not be friends or something.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

These people sounds nuts.

The CDC disagrees with you.

 

[ShironRedshift]

These people sounds nuts. We just kept lots of Purelle aroundand told people not to come if they were sick.

But... friends are friends. I wouldn't push it unless you're prepared to not be friends or something.

Ain't anything nuts about taking protections against whooping cough. People not getting their TDAP shots/boosters is what has let this happen:

Pertussis is serious and can easily kill a baby and can be transmitted even if you're asymptomatic while a shot is usually free or near free and is a moment's inconvenience (and also protects against tetanus while you're at it). It's all upsides and benefits all around for a little prick. That being the case, if anything, it's not getting it that's the nuts position since so much good comes from such a small action.

 

[Drek]

Never heard of this in England, plenty of my friends have kids too.

This is largely a product of anti-vaxxers in the US increasing the prevalence of whooping cough. In nations where people still observe the suggested vaccination schedule herd immunity reduces the need. As the US populous is getting less vax compliant pediatricians are suggesting methods to protect young kids more directly.

Shouldn't be needed but pseudo-science cracks have made a problem for everyone else to clean up.

 

[old]

I'd tell them sorry something came up and we have to cancel.

I don't have anything against getting shots. I have something against someone who's not my doctor telling me to get shots.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I don't have anything against getting shots. I have something against someone who's not my doctor telling me to get shots.

Your doctor would tell you to get the shots.