Vita "hacked," (PSP) homebrew on the way (not piracy)

railGUN said:
A right analog stick?
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Unless PS2 emulation became a reality on it, there aren't really any other systems that used a right analog stick.

You could say PS1, but Vita is going to support those games already (and it's not like many of them used that right stick).
 
bodyboarder said:
As neat as it was to run emulators/programs etc on my old psp it just got too annoying to play new games that required a firmware update.
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This. Too much hassle being locked into a firmware when new games require a higher version.
 
GavinGT said:
Unless PS2 emulation became a reality on it, there aren't really any other systems that used a right analog stick.

You could say PS1, but Vita is going to support those games already (and it's not like many of them used that right stick).
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Can you load your own PS1 (disk) games on Vita? Or do you have to re-buy them?
 
I JUST GOTS TO HAVE MY EMULATORS. On every device I own. Ever.

Dumb, hope its squashed. Especially dumb with the entirely fucking open and free to develop 'homebrew' Playstation Mobile platform. Sony lesson learned from this gen: give gamers nothing, they will always find a way to fuck things up.

Meanwhile, on the region locked entirely closed system 3DS...
 
I'm really confused - I thought, just a few pages ago, someone debunked this and said that it hasn't actually been "hacked".

Why are people still acting like this a custom OS or something? It sounds to me like someone just discovered PsmStudio or something.
 
Pie and Beans said:
entirely fucking open and free to develop 'homebrew' Playstation Mobile platform.
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Just to correct you here, the PSM is absolutely not open (it is not open source, and it comes with lots of contractual restrictions that prevent it from letting you release "anything you want", including, but not limited to, open source software), and it is definitely not free (the contract is 100$ a year AFAIK. It is not a lot, but it is not free)

I'm not saying PSM is a bad idea, I think I was actually one of the first to publicly cheer for it ( http://wololo.net/2011/11/22/playstation-suite-the-sdk-that-will-save-playstation/ ), but your statement is quite inaccurate.
 
wololo said:
Just to correct you here, the PSM is absolutely not open (it is not open source, and it comes with lots of contractual restrictions that prevent it from letting you release "anything you want", including, but not limited to, open source software), and it is definitely not free (the contract is 100$ a year AFAIK. It is not a lot, but it is not free)

I'm not saying PSM is a bad idea, I think I was actually one of the first to publicly cheer for it ( http://wololo.net/2011/11/22/playstation-suite-the-sdk-that-will-save-playstation/ ), but your statement is quite inaccurate.
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I used your site to put CFW on my PSP. Thanks for that!
 
Dacvak said:
I'm really confused - I thought, just a few pages ago, someone debunked this and said that it hasn't actually been "hacked".

Why are people still acting like this a custom OS or something? It sounds to me like someone just discovered PsmStudio or something.
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It is more complex than that.

On previous generation's consoles, the security was basically split between "user" and "admin", so the distinction was pretty easy.
Today, in particular on the Vita, it is believed that each process on the console is run by a different "user", in such a way that if for example you hack the psp emulator, you are still "sandboxed" in the emulator and cannot access anything else (unless you manage to get privilege escalation). In this case, the hack is (I believe) somewhere in the PSM, which potentially gives hackers access to everything the PSM has access to, but nothing else.

Does it mean the PS Vita has been "hacked"? Well, in the pure sense of the word, yes, because this will allow some people to get the device to do something it wasn't designed for.
But if you mean, does this give people full root access, the possibility to install Android, and the possibility to pirate games, then the answer is no.

If you are asking if this is a fake, although I haven't tested it myself yet, the reputation of YifanLu should be enough to know this is true.
 
wololo said:
It is more complex than that.

On previous generation's consoles, the security was basically split between "user" and "admin", so the distinction was pretty easy.
Today, in particular on the Vita, it is believed that each process on the console is run by a different "user", in such a way that if for example you hack the psp emulator, you are still "sandboxed" in the emulator and cannot access anything else (unless you manage to get privilege escalation). In this case, the hack is (I believe) somewhere in the PSM, which potentially gives hackers access to everything the PSM has access to, but nothing else.

Does it mean the PS Vita has been "hacked"? Well, in the pure sense of the word, yes, because this will allow some people to get the device to do something it wasn't designed for.
But if you mean, does this give people full root access, the possibility to install Android, and the possibility to pirate games, then the answer is no.

If you are asking if this is a fake, although I haven't tested it myself yet, the reputation of YifanLu should be enough to know this is true.
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Don't you think that with the vita now being cracked into,the hackers who would want to enable pirated games on it would have an easier job to do?If so would it be really worth it,according to you,to being able to play older games at the risk of piracy and at the same time destroying whatever software support the device has?Sony would counteract these with several firmware updates and that would basically be problematic for the people who don't want this
 
wololo said:
It is more complex than that.

On previous generation's consoles, the security was basically split between "user" and "admin", so the distinction was pretty easy.
Today, in particular on the Vita, it is believed that each process on the console is run by a different "user", in such a way that if for example you hack the psp emulator, you are still "sandboxed" in the emulator and cannot access anything else (unless you manage to get privilege escalation). In this case, the hack is (I believe) somewhere in the PSM, which potentially gives hackers access to everything the PSM has access to, but nothing else.
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That's rather terrible then. That was one of Sony's good will initiatives on the platform to support indie development. Having that potentially lead to the system being cracked open is far good.
 
Inevitable at some stage. Time for Sony to triple the price of the hardware, open it up completely and stop developing software for it.
 
Takao said:
That's rather terrible then. That was one of Sony's good will initiatives on the platform to support indie development. Having that potentially lead to the system being cracked open is far good.
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People said the same thing about the psp emulator when we first broke into it. 9 months later, do you see any pirated Vita games around?

Again, I'm confident, Sony did a fine job securing the vita.


One important thing too, if not for "grey" hacks like this one, the whole console hacks would be handled by black hats (like what happened with dongles on the PS3).

I've seen some pretty terrible things security wise on the PSP (psn credentials stored in plain text in the flash,...). Given that the PS Vita, PS3, etc... all have, one way or another, access to my PSN account and my credit card, I'm pretty happy to see hacks being revealed, open sourced, ( and even used for game piracy!), rather than undisclosed and used by some organization in Russia or China to steal my money.

Yes, it would probably be better for Sony if those hacks were simply sent to them privately so that they could fix them and be done with it. Believe it or not, some of us have tried that, but there is no easy way to contact Sony when a security vulnerability is found in their systems (by comparison to other technology companies... here's another article I wrote on the subject: http://wololo.net/2012/04/20/big-software-companies-and-security-how-sony-should-handle-hacking/ ), and those who tried got ignored.
 
Pie and Beans said:
Dumb, hope its squashed. Especially dumb with the entirely fucking open and free to develop 'homebrew' Playstation Mobile platform. Sony lesson learned from this gen: give gamers nothing, they will always find a way to fuck things up.
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The problem with PSM is that you can't utilise the Vita's full power - as far as I understand it, you're not compiling code directly for the hardware, but for a virtual machine with lower specs than the Vita (so it can run on smartphones too). If there was a way to develop apps specifically targeting the Vita's hardware, then I'd agree with you.
 
Will be interesting to see what comes out of it. If it leads to piracy it would probably kill the small software market for PSV entirely, which would be a damn shame.

Ledsen said:
A good SNES emulator would be welcome.
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I've always wondered how people rip their old cartridges.
 
Ugh, why'd this have to happen? I really think piracy is what killed the PSP, and I really don't want this to happen with the Vita. There won't be any games for those stupid pirates to even play if they let this happen.

I will never hack my Vita, this system deserves to do better than it already is. It's my favorite handheld I've ever owned.
 
panama chief said:
The console was the only nice thing from Sony, it was time for a new handheld and Sony wants that $250. They got my $250+ then we go through the drought, then the "you need a ps3 for psp games" bullshit, then the no ps+ for you guys yet, then the "you need a ps3 for these ps one games" bullshit.

I'm not trolling the handheld, cause I love it, but sonys software handling is lacking.

bring on the home brew hackers. Bring it soon.
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All of this stuff was known before you bought the Vita, so i dont see the reason to complain about these things after you bought them. I mean, sure you can express your opinion about it, but i dont see why you bought a Vita in the first place if you're so unhappy with these things that you mention.


wololo said:
It is more complex than that.

On previous generation's consoles, the security was basically split between "user" and "admin", so the distinction was pretty easy.
Today, in particular on the Vita, it is believed that each process on the console is run by a different "user", in such a way that if for example you hack the psp emulator, you are still "sandboxed" in the emulator and cannot access anything else (unless you manage to get privilege escalation). In this case, the hack is (I believe) somewhere in the PSM, which potentially gives hackers access to everything the PSM has access to, but nothing else.

Does it mean the PS Vita has been "hacked"? Well, in the pure sense of the word, yes, because this will allow some people to get the device to do something it wasn't designed for.
But if you mean, does this give people full root access, the possibility to install Android, and the possibility to pirate games, then the answer is no.

If you are asking if this is a fake, although I haven't tested it myself yet, the reputation of YifanLu should be enough to know this is true.
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It would be kinda "funny" if Playstaion Mobile is the reason for the Vita getting hacked. This is the 2nd time Sony tries to bring homebrew to their system (not counting the Net Yaroze for PSX and the Linux Kit for PS2), and it would be the 2nd time that it gets abused for hacking. First OtherOS and now maybe PSM. I guess that official homebrew support has a very slim chance to evolve in the positive direction if things like this is being abused for hacking the systems.
 
Vita owner since launch, love the thing and use it often but the software just isn't there compared to other platforms. It has some gems, some diamonds even (like Gravity Rush and Sound Shapes), but all-in-all it is floundering.

News of pending homebrew will hopefully spur hardware sales. If part of the reason developers shy away from PSVita dev is due to low hardware adoption rates... well, that will be rectified in short order.

I'd really love to use my Vita to play NES/SNES/Genesis/whatever on-the-go, so I'm totally in favor of this.

The only cure to piracy is ease of access. We should be able to purchase any game in seconds, no different than buying an app on an iPad or watching a film on NetFlix Instant. It is what people expect and want. It's also very easy for them to provide.

Nintendo and these other companies trickle out old titles at a very unsatisfying rate. So many of my favorite games are not available for purchase in any capacity. And then you have games like Birth By Sleep that due to licensing issues they can't release on the Vita... you start to see a perfect storm for piracy.

Until these companies get with the program, they can continue to see huge losses for all I care. Not at any fault of my own as I spend thousands on game hardware and software per year -- and this is gearing up to be one of the spendiest years of my lifetime what with the Vita in early 2012, 3DS XL which I just bought, and the Wii U just weeks away.
 
Gustav said:
You could always buy a Caanoo. It's made for homebrew.
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Can it play Yoshi's Island without any flaws or slowdown? N64 games? Dreamcast? Does it have a 5 inch oled touchscreen?


The vita has the potential for all of that, and already has the awesome screen.
 
If it means region-free gaming/multi accounts/access to all my paid for content that's sitting idle, then fuck it I'm all in. Sony screwed the pooch on the last fw update, was the last straw, bust this thing wide open.
 
gconsole said:
Hack to play what?
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Pirated games obviously, there's no need for custom firmwares to make homebrews when people can use ps mobile.

Oh yeah, i'm so stupid! without a psp was impossible to do such things like reading a pdf or play games made by people for free on a portable device! And without a custom firmware on a vita how could we enjoy a pdf and user made games on a portable device?
 
The 3ds isn't being hacked because coding on the nintendo cpu' without proper tools would be a nightmare. Also to make things worse, coding proper 3d display tech is also tough, and the gpu is its own little nightmare i'm sure.

While the PSV is an OLED gaming device with the same cpu and gpu's of the next generation of tablets and phones, and its coding structure is likely already familiar to mobile devs. While the nintendo 3ds is only familiar to console developers.
 
wololo said:
Does it mean the PS Vita has been "hacked"? Well, in the pure sense of the word, yes, because this will allow some people to get the device to do something it wasn't designed for.
But if you mean, does this give people full root access, the possibility to install Android, and the possibility to pirate games, then the answer is no.
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As long as PSM is 'sandboxed' (and where this exploit be used) cannot be used as an avenue to dump a rom of a game... it's ok, i guess.

But would this hurt the PSM devs more or any Indie that's interested in the platform?
 
2+2=5 said:
Pirated games obviously, there's no need for custom firmwares to make homebrews when people can use ps mobile.

Oh yeah, i'm so stupid! without a psp was impossible to do such things like reading a pdf or play games made by people for free on a portable device! And without a custom firmware on a vita how could we enjoy a pdf and user made games on a portable device?
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A well emulated, handheld n64? That's not undesirable..

I just hope it doesn't get released until much much later into the vita's lifetime. No risks of ruining the platform for everyone else.
 
Phife Dawg said:
Just lookd it up. That thing's pretty expensive, guess people are really dedicated when it comes to emulation.
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Of course they are.... :D but most of people who have backups don't have a backup unit, they are self allowed to download roms from the net. I had Wildcard when Snes was out and there were lot of pirates that were selling piles of Floppy disks with tons of roms... but I only used it to backup my precious games, what are you thinking???


Skyzard said:
A well emulated, handheld n64? That's not undesirable..

I just hope it doesn't get released until much much later into the vita's lifetime. No risks of ruining the platform for everyone else.
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So why not going on Nintendo forums asking for Virtual console Nintendo 64 games on 3DS?? Asking for PSone emulation on each Sony fridge is so usual between Sony fanbase
 
Sintoid said:
So why not going on Nintendo forums asking for Virtual console Nintendo 64 games on 3DS??
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?? Because:

1- I wasn't even requesting one now.
2- I would want it on the vita, just down the line like I said.

Vita is what I play the most, I find it physically the perfect handheld [with a grip especially :P]. N64 on it would be sexy, but as I said not at the risk of piracy affecting sales.
 
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