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[phosphor112]

Why would that even come into this argument? It can boot straight from the NAND, if you wanted.

Because people are still using the OS made by the companies to run their games and stuff. If they want a PDF viewer or some home server device. Why not do that off of Linux? An open source project.

Can't have your cake and eat it as well.

Do you want your own programs? Or do you want the ones the company provides? The ones the company provide are based on a closed garden system. If you don't want it, don't take it, but don't try to have both.

 

[Rich!]

Because people are still using the OS made by the companies to run their games and stuff. If they want a PDF viewer or some home server device. Why not do that off of Linux? An open source project.

Can't have your cake and eat it as well.

Do you want your own programs? Or do you want the ones the company provides? The ones the company provide are based on a closed garden system. If you don't want it, don't take it, but don't try to have both.

Tough. I am able to have both on the Wii, and will do on the vita. And guess what? its great.

 

[phosphor112]

Tough. I am able to have both on the Wii, and will do on the vita. And guess what? its great.

Lol, what a response.

 

[Seik]

Because people are still using the OS made by the companies to run their games and stuff. If they want a PDF viewer or some home server device. Why not do that off of Linux? An open source project.

Can't have your cake and eat it as well.

Do you want your own programs? Or do you want the ones the company provides? The ones the company provide are based on a closed garden system. If you don't want it, don't take it, but don't try to have both.

...Really?

I mean, the homebrew will exist, that you want it or not. So, even for legit uses, you'd say its better to force myself not to use it because its morally incorrect to use a homebrew that boots from the OS?

People think I'm crazy with my Retrode and my feelings about 'legitness' but you take the cake now!

 

[vg260]

Tough. I am able to have both on the Wii, and will do on the vita. And guess what? its great.

Maybe so, but the Wii was in fine shape to offset the negative effects. Not so much for the Vita. You may just be left with a Vita that has homebrew and no other support as a result.

 

[phosphor112]

...Really?

I mean, the homebrew will exist, that you want it or not. So, even for legit uses, you'd say its better to force myself not to use it because its morally incorrect to use a homebrew that boots from the OS?

People thinks I'm crazy with my Retrode and my feelings about 'legitness' but you take the cake now!

I find it hilarious that people seemingly hate the options that these companies provide, so they use their own... while using the system those companies have provided.

 

[Dunlop]

Tough. I am able to have both on the Wii, and will do on the vita. And guess what? its great.

take that!!!

Can't you do all this shit nowaday on any device that can run Android? I get the whole thrill of the hunt to crack the system open...but it is not anyone here that is doing that. Ultimately you will read a FAQ file and follow a few steps

 

[Rich!]

I find it hilarious that people seemingly hate the options that these companies provide, so they use their own... while using the system those companies have provided.

Sony's support for the Vita has been fucking god awful.

Do you honestly blame people for seeking an alternative in software?

 

[Lothars]

Sony's support for the Vita has been fucking god awful.

Do you honestly blame people for seeking for an alternative?

No it hasn't, lot's of hyperbole but Support isn't near as bad as your trying to make it out.

 

[Rich!]

Maybe so, but the Wii was in fine shape to offset the negative effects. Not so much for the Vita. You may just be left with a Vita that has homebrew and no other support as a result.

And if Sony abandoned the console at some point, ala dreamcast, would it be fine in your mind then?

 

[phosphor112]

Sony's support for the Vita has been fucking god awful.

Do you honestly blame people for seeking an alternative in software?

Alternative? Or a combination of the two. They'll still want to play all their games, they'll still want to play older games while still running it on Vita's OS.

 

[The Faceless Master]

ics runs pretty well on my nexus one, haven't tried jellybean yet, but its available. why wouldn't the much faster vita be able to handle it?

n1 specs:
CPU 1 GHz Qualcomm Scorpion
GPU Qualcomm Adreno 200
Memory 512 MB
Storage 512 MB (190 MB application storage)

yeah, i've seen videos, i wouldn't call that 'pretty well', in fact i would exclude both of those words from going within 3 paragraphs of the description of what i saw.

 

[Seik]

I find it hilarious that people seemingly hate the options that these companies provide, so they use their own... while using the system those companies have provided.

Well, if the homebrew alternatives does better and gives more options to a customer than the OG product, I don't see anything wrong with this.

On top of that, the discovery of a hack like this could even boost Vita's sales. People that hack for pirating wouldn't even buy anything, so it wouldn't really affect software sales, maybe a little but not that much imo. :/

But like I said in the previous page, we're all free people and we do whatever we want with what we possess.

 

[Rich!]

No it hasn't, lot's of hyperbole but Support isn't near as bad as your trying to make it out.

It has been appalling for myself. And thats all I care about, as a consumer,

 

[5amshift]

Before 3DS? Damn.

Nobody cares for the 3DS, that is why.

 

[test_account]

that's not open, and also, doesn't that have an annual fee and other device/account related restrictions?

Yep. It is kinda pointless to offer official homebrew support in an attempt to stop hacking because there there are always some reasons used to hack a device anyway. In my opinion, it is unrealistic to expect (generally speaking, not saying that you do it) a fully open console with the current business models. If consoles were sold with big profit margins like i.e cellphones are, then maybe we would see it. But i dont think that this will happen anytime soon. The business model regarding consoles is still built around getting most of the profit from accessories and software sales.

 

[Tsukumo]

Exciting news, indeed.

Yifan Lu's blog and Twiter page

I hope we end up with some nice custom home pages

This is impossiboru!
A Sony console hacked? who would have thought...

 

[vg260]

And if Sony abandoned the console at some point, ala dreamcast, would it be fine in your mind then?

I'm not sure what you mean exactly. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see support drop for a system ravaged by piracy.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Wait. You're saying the Vita has strong WW sales? What?!

I meant PSP.

 

[phosphor112]

yeah, i've seen videos, i wouldn't call that 'pretty well', in fact i would exclude both of those words from going within 3 paragraphs of the description of what i saw.

You don't know shit son.

150ms on Menu navigation is 100% acceptable and runs perfectly.

 

[The Faceless Master]

I find it hilarious that people seemingly hate the options that these companies provide, so they use their own... while using the system those companies have provided.

why is a consumer taking advantage of putting their paid hardware to good use funny?

 

[Rich!]

Yep. It is kinda pointless to offer official homebrew support in an attempt to stop hacking because there there are always some reasons used to hack a device anyway. In my opinion, it is unrealistic to expect (generally speaking, not saying that you do it) a fully open console with the current business models. If consoles were sold with big profitmargins like i.e cellphones are, then maybe we would see it. But i dont think that this will happen anytime soon. The business model is still built around profit from accessories and software sales.

Galaxy Tab is pretty damn open, yet people still root it to get full HW support, as an example. Whatever is given, people will always want to hack their hardware to open up its full potential.

 

[Rich!]

I'm not sure what you mean exactly.

You seem to be of the opinion that hacking a Vita and running homebrew is bad, because of a detrimental effect it may cause on publisher support.

What I'm asking, if that is your argument, what if Sony discontinued the Vita? Would you still be against hacking and homebrew, even when the console is effectively dead?

 

[phosphor112]

Well, if the homebrew alternatives does better and gives more options to a customer than the OG product, I don't see anything wrong with this.

On top of that, the discovery of a hack like this could even boost Vita's sales. People that hack for pirating wouldn't even buy anything, so it wouldn't really affect software sales, maybe a little but not that much imo. :/

But like I said in the previous page, we're all free people and we do whatever we want with what we possess.

Majority of that time, the "alternative" IS USING the "OG" product.

This is what bothers me. Write your shit from scratch if these people hate it so much.

Case in point? This guy.

It has been appalling for myself. And thats all I care about, as a consumer,

 

[SmokedMeat]

Not every system that got hacked and had a simple widely accessible method of piracy had issues, see DS, Wii, PS1, the entire Gameboy line.

PSP's problems lay elsewhere.

You're naming some of the strongest performing consoles and handhelds ever. The userbase was so huge, and software sales so strong that piracy couldn't harm them.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Also, Im sure homebrew would entice more people to buy 32gb memory cards.

At that point you could use any SD card at 1/8th the price of a Vita official card.

 

[Rich!]

Majority of that time, the "alternative" IS USING the "OG" product.

This is what bothers me. Write your shit from scratch if these people hate it so much.

Case in point? This guy.

This guy actually loves the Vita OS. I just want more from the hardware, stuff that Sony is not offering. Why is that so desperately difficult for you to comprehend?

 

[Gemüsepizza]

why is a consumer taking advantage of putting their paid hardware to good use funny?

Because they did not pay what the device is worth. The PS Vita is subsidized, that's the reason it is a closed system. And guess what? People knew this before they bought this device. So why don't you build your own device? I guess almost all components of the PS Vita are freely available. But then you would have to pay the real price.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Because they did not pay what the device is worth. The PS Vita is a closed system because it is subsidized. And guess what? People knew this before they bought this device. So why don't you build your own device? I guess almost all components of the PS Vita are freely available. But then you have to pay the real price.

hahahaahahahaahaahahahaahahaahahaah

 

[Rich!]

Because they did not pay what the hardware is worth. The PS Vita is a closed system because it is subsidized. And guess what? People knew this before they bought this device. So why don't you build your own device? I guess almost all components of the PS Vita are freely available. But then you have to pay the real price.

I paid £200 for mine. Its in my house. I can do whatever the fuck I want with it now.

What now, bro

 

[phosphor112]

This guy actually loves the Vita OS. I just want more from the hardware, stuff that Sony is not offering. Why is that so desperately difficult for you to comprehend?

Someone has a problem waiting for new features. They've released an update nearly every month since it launched.

I want remote play on all games, and it shows that they are working on it.

 

[Man God]

I really doubt the Vita can handle N64 emulation considering no one has written a good N64 emulator for any platform.

It's funny because there have been N64 emulators since only a few months after it came out but none of them have ever lived up to expectations. Saturn, the notoriously hard to emulate platform has better emulators today than the 64. PSX has a handful, some that have been largely perfect for a decade.

Also DS emulation would also be a joke on the thing. Most console/smart phone homebrew emulators are garbage. Surprisingly enough one of the best smart phone ones is PSX, which is sort of useless for the Vita.

 

[Raistlin]

Sales should finally go up

 

[SmokedMeat]

I'm not writing anything off. I'm simply saying that it is the publisher's job to convince people not to pirate something by offering a product people want to own. It is not worth the consideration of consumers to think about what "sacrifices" we have to make to help companies make more money. That's upside down thinking. If you want to have that mindset, be my guest, just don't be surprised when people laugh at you for it.

Ah, so a pirate will gladly pay for a game they want to own?

And buying and using a system as it was intended is now a sacrifice?

 

[Seik]

This guy actually loves the Vita OS. I just want more from the hardware, stuff that Sony is not offering. Why is that so desperately difficult for you to comprehend?

He understood our point I guess.

The guy is just perfectly legit, by perfectly I mean, doing nothing against SCEA's contract.

 

[Rich!]

Someone has a problem waiting for new features. They've released an update nearly every month since it launched.

I want remote play on all games, and it shows that they are working on it.

Is Sony ever going to introduce MIDI support? How about support for PC remote access? XBMC? Emulators?

Sony arent ever going to release any of that, and thats just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[BadWolf]

Only feature I want is AVI/MKV support.

 

[Rich!]

Only feature I want is AVI/MKV support.

Another thing Sony would never implement, meaning homebrew is the only alternative,

 

[phosphor112]

Is Sony ever going to introduce MIDI support? How about support for PC remote access? XBMC? Emulators?

Sony arent ever going to release any of that, and thats just the tip of the iceberg.

XMBC? Lol on a handheld? What?
PC remote access, I can understand (and want) and I surely hope they do release it.
Emulators? Midi support? Why? going to plug in your keyboard into your vita?

 

[vg260]

You seem to be of the opinion that hacking a Vita and running homebrew is bad, because of a detrimental effect it may cause on publisher support.

What I'm asking, if that is your argument, what if Sony discontinued the Vita? Would you still be against hacking and homebrew, even when the console is effectively dead?

I think it's bad right now. CFW in theory doesn't bother me. I'm not against hacking and homebrew. I've used CFW before. It does some cool stuff and adds value for the user, but it does come w/ consequences. I think writing those off for the quick payoff is being short-sighted. The Vita is a great system, but it's not doing well. CFW opens up a huge can of worms. Thinking about the consequences is not upside-down thinking or pandering to company's bottom-line. It's just thinking about the trade-offs. I'd like to see it build up a library of games I want to play and be strong enough to stand up to the bad side effects like the Wii seems to have done.

 

[Aeana]

I really doubt the Vita can handle N64 emulation considering no one has written a good N64 emulator for any platform.

It's funny because there have been N64 emulators since only a few months after it came out but none of them have ever lived up to expectations. Saturn, the notoriously hard to emulate platform has better emulators today than the 64. PSX has a handful, some that have been largely perfect for a decade.

Also DS emulation would also be a joke on the thing. Most console/smart phone homebrew emulators are garbage. Surprisingly enough one of the best smart phone ones is PSX, which is sort of useless for the Vita.

Not useless for the Vita at all. They might not need to write another PSX emulator, but if they can make it so you can put PSX games that aren't on PSN on there, like you can on PSP, then that's wonderful.

 

[sajj316]

Is Sony ever going to introduce MIDI support? How about support for PC remote access? XBMC? Emulators?

Sony arent ever going to release any of that, and thats just the tip of the iceberg.

A business is not going to offer features or functionality that will cannibalize it's own business. That's business.

Note: I'm not against homebrew but against methods that would open the door for pirating.

 

[Rich!]

going to plug in your keyboard into your vita?

Of course I bloody wouldnt. Itd make a nifty MIDI controller for mixing and sampling.

 

[sonyinsider]

I am not trying to self promote here, but I spoke with Yifanlu (part of this Vita hacking group) yesterday and wrote up a little interview piece on CNET that went live today. His most powerful statement: "As a developer, I am completely against piracy."

A conversation with the first PlayStation Vita hacker

 

[filipe]

Because they did not pay what the device is worth. The PS Vita is subsidized, that's the reason it is a closed system. And guess what? People knew this before they bought this device. So why don't you build your own device? I guess almost all components of the PS Vita are freely available. But then you would have to pay the real price.

This has got to be the worst thing I've read in this topic. You literally have no point here.

It's like saying that just because I didn't build my own computer, I can't do whatever I want with an HP/Dell/Lenovo/etc. built computer.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

I paid £200 for mine. Its in my house. I can do whatever the fuck I want with it now.

What now, bro

Oh sure you can. But if you release a method which circumvents the security of the device, you will be targeted by judicial authorities.

Only feature I want is AVI/MKV support.

And why? MKV is just a container, and mainly used for videos encoded with h.264. You can put your video file in a mp4 container in a couple of seconds with the right software and it will be played just fine by the Vita. AVI is another container, mostly used for xvid files with very poor quality. Why would you watch this voluntarily?

This has got to be the worst thing I've read in this topic. You literally have no point here.

It's like saying that just because I didn't build my own computer, I can't do whatever I want with an HP/Dell/Lenovo/etc. built computer.

What. A HP/Dell/Lenovo computer is NOT designed as a closed system and they are NOT subsidized, because those companies do NOT earn their money with software.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

Another thing Sony would never implement, meaning homebrew is the only alternative,

The PS3 supports avi, why not the Vita?

AVI is another container, mostly used for xvid files with very poor quality. Why would you watch this voluntarily?

Again, PS3 officially supports divx and avi.

 

[xtop]

yeah, i've seen videos, i wouldn't call that 'pretty well', in fact i would exclude both of those words from going within 3 paragraphs of the description of what i saw.

You don't know shit son.

150ms on Menu navigation is 100% acceptable and runs perfectly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFx4HUgVWjg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFx4HUgVWjg

i never claimed it was fast, but considering the hardware, i still think "pretty well" describes it nicely. as in what i meant to say, pretty well for the hardware. now, is 512mb ram holding it back? or is the incredibly old qualcomm cpu/gpu holding it back? if its the ram, then yeah, i guess i can do nothing but agree that it would suck on the vita.

 

[phosphor112]

Of course I bloody wouldnt.

Why would you need MIDI support? A drum pad? Or is it just something you want to list off?
Sony isn't going to work on features that aren't relevant to them or to majority of users.

 

[Rich!]

Oh sure you can. But if you release a method which circumvents the security of the device, you will be targeted by judicial

I dont live in America.