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Viva Las Vegas (GT4)
- Thread starter Dekajelly
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AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
segasonic said:
Enjoy your can of Campbell's Shut The Fuck Up Chicken Soup.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
What I looove about the additions they made to GT4's physics is two things:
1) You can feel the weight of the car. It was a feature that was sort of present in GT3, but not quite as much. Taking a hard turn in a heavy vehicle just feels so...right. Watching the nose of the car dip and the body shift...it's just flawless.
2) The second complements the first and it's the new camera feature where the screen dips down upon hard breaking. If you're going 80+ and you slam the breaks and you're playing via 1st person, the screen tilts downwards, simulating the feeling of a car braking really aggressively. The more weight a car has up front, the more the screen will tilt downward. So awesome...
GT4 will so be the game of the year.
1) You can feel the weight of the car. It was a feature that was sort of present in GT3, but not quite as much. Taking a hard turn in a heavy vehicle just feels so...right. Watching the nose of the car dip and the body shift...it's just flawless.
2) The second complements the first and it's the new camera feature where the screen dips down upon hard breaking. If you're going 80+ and you slam the breaks and you're playing via 1st person, the screen tilts downwards, simulating the feeling of a car braking really aggressively. The more weight a car has up front, the more the screen will tilt downward. So awesome...
GT4 will so be the game of the year.
Spike Spiegel
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HOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEEEEEEEEE SH*T!!!Dekajelly said:
Jumpman
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SolidSnakex said:
It's been a long time since GT3 was released, so this is a tough one to answer. If I remember correctly, one of my main complaints was with the racing cups. On the surface it seemed like there was so much to do and that the games choices were diverse. After getting through 5 or 10 cups it became evident that this was not really the case. It was really hard to maintain my original enthusiasm for the game at that point because they ran out of ideas. From then on a typical GT3 racing cup pretty much consisted of, "Ok, you completed a series of 3 lap tracks with car A, now do it over with car B and this time do it for 10 laps per race." Maybe it wouldn't have become so repetitive if the A.I. was more competitive, I don't know for sure. I would like to have a centralized racing season in addition to these other isolated racing cups. One idea I have is an option to create your own racing season. You would have the ability to pick the class of cars, starting horsepower rating, as well as the tracks you would race on. Design options would extend far beyond this of course. This would be really great if you could implement it for online use. Building your own online tournaments would be awesome.
I don't mean to single out Gran Turismo as the only racing game with bad A.I., as I haven't played one yet that is perfect. But GT's A.I. flaws are numerous. The most glaring problem with GT's A.I. is it's complete lack of competitiveness. It just no longer fun when my racing agenda is completely based on how many times I can lap the computer. The A.I. is so worthless, that I might as well just play in the time trial mode, I'd get the same experience. Other racing games have competitive A.I. that reacts to your presence, there is no exscuse for the talented people at Polyphony to not meet that benchmark. Online play is a welcome addition, and GT4 might be the game to get me interested in online games. But I still want to enjoy this game in the offline mode as well.
SolidSnakex said:
Awesome, that is good news!
It's very sad if one can't accept other people's opinions.dark10x said:
I have both SC1 and SC2 and I think SC1 is the better game. I also have GT4 Prologue and I think the graphics are a jaggied shimmery mess compared to many other games on PS2.
But I should have known that I will get flamed for posting something negative in a hype thread like this...
SolidSnakex
Member
Jumpman said:
I think one thing they need to do to help the AI out is to put a HP cap on races. I know alot of people that just sit in the earlier races and keep winning to get more money so they can upgrade their car so for awhile they'll have around a 500hp car going up against cars that are in the early to high 100hp range. All the races need to have a HP cap on them to prevent you from ever racing your car with others that are just so low in HP that they can't possibly give you any real competition.
I'm not sure if they're doing that in GT4 but hopefully they'll consider it for GT5.
"But I should have known that I will get flamed for posting something negative in a hype thread like this..."
Strange that Jumpman is posting some negative comments on GT, yet no one is flaming him. You know why? Because he's actually giving real criticisms instead of doing blatant trolling like you're.
DarienA said:
i just did didnt i? this is exactly why i dont even bother to say anything or hope for anything nice about the ps2. ps2 fanboys make me sick. fine. i hope the game doesnt have HD supprt and the game continues to get worse. I hope that theres a big screw up at the printing press and millions of copies of GT4 freeze up after the first course and make every GT4 owners ps2 catch fire. I hope that sonys online "service" drops GT4 game connections every 17 seconds. i pray that GT4 is the biggest disaster in videogame history. There darien. is that better for you? Is that more XBOT for you? I pray it is.
BeOnEdge said:i just did didnt i? this is exactly why i dont even bother to say anything or hope for anything nice about the ps2. ps2 fanboys make me sick. fine. i hope the game doesnt have HD supprt and the game continues to get worse. I hope that theres a big screw up at the printing press and millions of copies of GT4 freeze up after the first course and make every GT4 owners ps2 catch fire. I hope that sonys online "service" drops GT4 game connections every 17 seconds. i pray that GT4 is the biggest disaster in videogame history. There darien. is that better for you? Is that more XBOT for you? I pray it is.
I've always encouraged you to be more true to yourself.
EDIT: LOL I'm sorry Be I freely admit I baited you with that last post.. I couldn't help it.. it's Friday and my work day is now over!BeOnEdge said:
BeOnEdge said:i just did didnt i? this is exactly why i dont even bother to say anything or hope for anything nice about the ps2. ps2 fanboys make me sick. fine. i hope the game doesnt have HD supprt and the game continues to get worse. I hope that theres a big screw up at the printing press and millions of copies of GT4 freeze up after the first course and make every GT4 owners ps2 catch fire. I hope that sonys online "service" drops GT4 game connections every 17 seconds. i pray that GT4 is the biggest disaster in videogame history. There darien. is that better for you? Is that more XBOT for you? I pray it is.
Well I think that's enough for today....
lol BoE, couldn't have said it better.
It'll be fun beating you fanboys on Nüburgring in GT4 online hehehe
I'm looking forward to the game, just pointing out that I don't think it'll look nearly as good as those screenshots. If it however will look that good... so much the better.
It'll be fun beating you fanboys on Nüburgring in GT4 online hehehe
I'm looking forward to the game, just pointing out that I don't think it'll look nearly as good as those screenshots. If it however will look that good... so much the better.
mashoutposse
Ante Up
I don't know about others, but with GT, I derive most of my fun simply from taking a real production car that I may be curious about or interested in and taking it around a track as fast as possible. These are things that I would do if 1) I didn't have to worry about losing my license/insurance coverage, 2) I could travel around the world to different tracks, and 3) I had the cash to buy whatever car suits my fancy at any given moment.
As far as AI is concerned, I prefer to race against the clock more than anything else.
I really only enjoy racing against others when the other drivers are REAL people. That increases the fun factor for me tenfold at least. In all other situations, enemy cars are simply annoying obstacles, competitive or not (and in GT, they are extremely competitive once you reach the Professional League). I can't think of a game where I actually enjoyed racing the AI. Maybe arcade-y games like NFS and Daytona.
As far as AI is concerned, I prefer to race against the clock more than anything else.
I really only enjoy racing against others when the other drivers are REAL people. That increases the fun factor for me tenfold at least. In all other situations, enemy cars are simply annoying obstacles, competitive or not (and in GT, they are extremely competitive once you reach the Professional League). I can't think of a game where I actually enjoyed racing the AI. Maybe arcade-y games like NFS and Daytona.
segasonic said:
The fact of the matter is, anti-aliased screenshots are EXTREMELY common these days (especially on XBOX) and they NEVER EVER look that smooth on an actual TV. Why even make a point of it anymore? It is a topic that has been done to death for years. All of the content within these screenshots represents the visuals you will see on the screen, only the resolution is different.
Do you think the 30 fps FORZA will look as clean as those shots? It will certainly look cleaner than GT4, but it won't come close to matching those ultra high-res shots. People were SHOCKED yesterday when IGN captured frame buffer grabs of Ninja Gaiden. They started claiming they were "bad caps" when in fact they were simply ACCURATE caps (unlike those ultra high-res shots Team Ninja released).
Well Xbox video output is much better than PS2 video output, jaggies aren't nearly as noticeable in most Xbox games (yes also the ones without FSAA) than they are in most PS2 games. I think that should be common knowledge by now...
However some programmers have gotten good results (regarding image quality) out of the PS2, unfortunately Polyphony (up until GT4 Prologue) isn't one of them
However some programmers have gotten good results (regarding image quality) out of the PS2, unfortunately Polyphony (up until GT4 Prologue) isn't one of them
segasonic said:
XBOX games run in 480p (at least most of them). PS2 games are forced to run in line-doubled mode and end up looking nasty as a result. However, 480p PS2 games are actuall sharper looking than 480p XBOX games (in general). SSX3, for example, looks nicer on PS2 when running in 480p than it does on XBOX...
That is an exception, of course, not the rule. PS2 games tend to have shit output. Of course, you being a Sega fan, I can't imagine why you would prefer image quality over framerate. GT4 at 60 fps with lower IQ is much better than something like FORZA at 30 fps with great IQ...
Well I have a PAL Xbox and a PAL PS2, which means both only have interlaced output.
About framerate vs. image quality. I don't prefer IQ over framerate. But if I can have both 60fps and good/great IQ, then of course I will prefer that. Examples for this would be RSC2 (Xbox) and Burnout 3 (PS2).
Btw, I don't think it's been confirmed that Forza will only have 30fps...
About framerate vs. image quality. I don't prefer IQ over framerate. But if I can have both 60fps and good/great IQ, then of course I will prefer that. Examples for this would be RSC2 (Xbox) and Burnout 3 (PS2).
Btw, I don't think it's been confirmed that Forza will only have 30fps...
Funny about that - I find jaggies more noticeable in Xbox games because texture shimmering is less prevalent than it is in PS2 games. Without texture shimmering, the stairstep effect of aliasing stands out more since its the only part of the image that hasn't been smoothed out.segasonic said:
Problem with "common knowledge" is that it's often inaccurate for the sake of simplification. PS2 has jaggies, Xbox doesn't, for example. Nevermind the fact that you see many people confusing jaggies and texture shimmering as the same thing.
But if you are such a believer in common knowledge, there shouldn't have been any reason to remind everyone that screenshots don't necessarily represent the quality of final output on your display
Jumpman
Member
mashoutposse said:
I love racing against the clock as well, but I also love to race against competitors. If the A.I. is done well enough, then it can be almost as fun as racing a human opponent.
As far as the professional difficulty goes, I don't agree. It's certainly a fair bit tougher than the other challenge levels, but I still had no problem completely dominating the computer. To get any kind of challenge, I have to use a vastly inferior car just to try and make things "even."
dark10x:
SEGA hardware has usually been pretty well-rounded in performance. It's not a case of choosing one or the other like the old video card days where a 3Dfx would run nine or ten frames faster but only at lower IQ settings. SEGA teams would often lock down 60 fps and still deliver proscan, high res, etc.
I have been playing GPL lately and although it's a fantastic sim, the thing that detracts from the awesome experience of racing F1 cars on the Ring is how bloody difficult it is to keep those light 1965 soapbox racers on the road and not spinning out. Not to mention it only runs at 36fps.
With the Ring being in GT4, and rumors of Formula 1 cars making another appearance, I am salivating at the thought of racing Nurburgring at 60fps online with a FF wheel in some F1 open-wheelers! It's going to rawk my boxers!
Just look at those beauties! If the F1 cars in GT4 handle the way they did in GT3 and have the same SoS, I'm going to kill my chicken! You guys are going doooown
With the Ring being in GT4, and rumors of Formula 1 cars making another appearance, I am salivating at the thought of racing Nurburgring at 60fps online with a FF wheel in some F1 open-wheelers! It's going to rawk my boxers!
Just look at those beauties! If the F1 cars in GT4 handle the way they did in GT3 and have the same SoS, I'm going to kill my chicken! You guys are going doooown
SolidSnakex
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isamu said:
They're in there don't worry.
SolidSnakex said:
They're in there don't worry.
That confirma it then.
Thanks for those shots SSX.Dekajelly said:Not a chance, I know the Nurburgring like the back of my hand from playing GPL and F1C 99-02
F1C 99-02
I will be the Gaming Age king of the Nordschleife.
Well then look for me in the rear view mirror
GT4 will definately be my GOTY. One of the new additions to the game, besides online mode, is the fuel mileage, penalty system for damage and the camera shifting during heavy braking, as Alphasnake was alluding to. I like GT because it simulates what a real race car driver gets to do better than any other racer out there; down to almost every last detail. In particular, I'm intrigued by the fuel mileage guage and how it will play a factor in gameplay. Now, mashing the gas after each corner will have a consequence, just like it does in real life. I wonder is this will be included in the online mode, as it may help determine who wins the race, which may possibly not turn out to be the best driver. I just can't wait for November, with GT4, Halo 2 and MGS3 all coming out!
AlphaSnake
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BeOnEdge said:
Actually, that had nothing to do with GT4. Those Hi-def TVs aren't meant to display games like GT4. Even I admitted to it looking all fucked up. Sony always uses TVs that makes their games look terrible. E3 2003 GT4 looked terrible, but Prologue looks *awesome* on my TVs.
AlphaSnake
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Lazy8s said:
Yes I know that GT4 doesn't output resolution high enough to look good on HDTVs. But to say that GT4 looked shimmery, bad, and etc. isn't fair. It looked bad because of the TV and (like TTP just said) because we were playing the game two feet away from the monitor.
