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[MMarston]

I know you're trying to be funny, but Qatar actually has plans for many of the stadiums that will go unused after 2022

The migrant workers will be too dead to care by that point.

 

[Clydefrog]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

 

[Akainu]

The Beautiful Scam.

 

[Glasswork]

:lol
The graveyard point still stands, or do you really think Qataris will do all that work with their own hands?

I never said we would, I commented on the future of the stadiums.

 

[Akainu]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

Is that a brazilian japanese neighborhood?

 

[neogaffer1]

There are economists who study the potential economic impact of these events on the cities that host them, and their findings are unequivocal: they don't pay. As Victor Matheson, an economist at College of the Holy Cross, told my colleague Brad Plumer, "My basic takeaway for any city considering a bid for the Olympics is to run away like crazy."

To the contrary, I've read some stuff about how when managed well, Olympic events in cities generally end up breaking even or slight loss while still upgrading infrastructure, at least in the West, and in cities that aren't corrupt as fuck. Basically a good way to subsidize infrastructure upgrades for a city.

 

[Clydefrog]

Is that a brazilian japanese neighborhood?

No, it's in Japan (Osaka) but it's an old baseball stadium.

 

[TerryLee81]

has made little money renting it out for children's birthday parties and weddings

Must have been one hell of a party. 30 children in a 50'000-people-stadium. Did they play hide and seek?

 

[Eila]

That's what usually happens, unless the infrastructure is already there and only needs some renovations (compare Athens to London).
They wanted the people of all of Brazil to enjoy the world cup, and for people to visit all of Brazil, not just the south.

 

[excaliburps]

Great. Wrong thread. XD Sorry!

 

[Radec]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

I would love to live there tbh.

Looks pretty good.

 

[nick nacc]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

okay thats cool af

 

[Eidan]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

That's fascinating.

 

[anonymous_abc]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

With a shortage of space that seems like an awful waste of space...

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

The World Cup is a huge sham for the host cities, just like the Olympics. How is this a surprise to anyone?

Local politicians get blamed, but seriously the voters would have crucified them for not trying. Nobody actually believes this bullshit about how 6 giant stadiums are going to continue to be useful forever, they just want the glory that comes from being a host city.

really depends on the country. For example the world Cup in Germany was fine. But they already had the stadiums and infrastructure.

 

[DeFiBkIlLeR]

Haha..all those people who slammed London for not spending a Billion dollars on a fancy 'My penis is bigger than yours' stadium for the Olympics should eat their words.

The London Olympic Park is an overwhelming success post Olympics, new public parts, developments taking place all over it, thousands of people moving in to live there and high tech business start ups by the dozen in converted Olympic venues.

 

[Mrs. Manky]

So they really did pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

 

[terrisus]

So they really did pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got 'til it's gone?

 

[Sequence Six]

Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got 'til it's gone?

Like Brazil and South Africa with their infrastructure budget

 

[Bastos]

Man, the World Cup here in Brazil was one of the most outrageous events i can remember.

All this stadiums and other "infrastructure" projects simply acted as ways to corrupt politicians divert money from public funds.

And the disgust political aspect that the current government created to promote the World Cup as an event that would bring economical prosperity to the country.

Just another day here, right? :/

 

[Acorn]

If Carlsberg made parking lots.

 

[1.21Gigawatts]

The only countries who can really use the infrastructure and stadiums needed for these kinds of events are the countries who already got this stuff anyways.
But you can't have these events in the same 4 or 5 countries all the time, so FIFA and IOC should just lower their requirements, but they don't want that, so they keep pressuring poor countries into spending more money than they can afford for stuff they won't need ever again after the 2 or 4 week event is over. FIFA makes billions, countries waste billions and are left with useless buildings and infrastructure they can't even afford to maintain in many cases.


I live in munich and we had the olympics in '72. That actually worked out great. The building were atheletes and press lived during the time are still used for students mainly. The stadium and the whole olympia park is also heavily used. There is always something going there.
But even here we some infrastructure thats been forgotten:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwlrkvQQA3w
An old train station they build back then.
Pretty beautiful, though.

Also, pay close attention to the background graffiti at 0:35

 

[StuKen]

well at least Brazil has no shortage of space

Wow namba! Did not know that was there before.

 

[Nemesis121]

Waste of money, Quatar fallout gonna be disaster, it's already horrible now..

 

[friday]

Im gonna say things worked out for the best when Atlanta hosted the Olympics. The main stadium is still in use and much of the other infrastructure was re-purposed. I think it really helped give the city a boost, I just now really starting to blossom though.

 

[mclem]

We pretty much hear this after every world cup or olympics.

Things seem to have been broadly positive post-London 2012.

 

[Delicious Waffles]

I remember Real Sports doing a story on stadiums built for the World Cup, saying this is what normally happens after it's over. Not surprised.

 

[silver.tongue]

The article exagerates on purpose i think. I live in Brasília and truth is the stadium gets regular use, even if not with sports.

Here's the thing, Brasilia is the capital of Brazil with the highest "per capita" income of the country (I think) and the old stadium was just ridiculous. It didn't represent well the city, so a new stadium was needed. Here's a pick:

That said, considering the city doesn't have a big team in soccer, there was no need for a huge stadium... 30k ppl would have been enough. Instead, they made one for 70k:

So it's never full. It was an excess. But it does get events every month (shows and sports).

 

[PillarEN]

The summer Olympics should just be in Athens permanently. It's where they belong and you could just reuse infrastructure.
I don't know what to do about the World Cup or the winter games, though.

The Winter Olympics are usually all good cause you have it places where you have mountains and ice rinks. As far as I know you don't need to build too much if at all depending on the location.

 

[Ganzlinger]

Many cities have been selling the stadiums to private companies that try to squeeze a bit of revenue out of them, but it's not easy. In Natal, the NPR story reports, a company bought the stadium, but has made little money renting it out for children's birthday parties and weddings, and the facility is now for sale once again.

I'm from Natal and this isn't true.

The stadium was built in a public-private partnership. The OAS company built the Arena das Dunas and owns the stadium for 20 years. After that the stadium will go to public administration.

The local teams play their matches there regularly, especially America FC. Last year both local teams were eliminated during the quarter finals of Brazil Cup and the stadium was in full capacity.

America FC plays every game there and occasionally ABC FC as they won their own ground with a lesser capacity.

Besides the football matches, the stadium hosts several events like music festivals, private parties, etc.

The problem is that OAS company was charged along with another 7 companies in the Petrobas corruption scandal, so they lost a lot on the stock market losing their company value. Now they are trying to sell their rights to every stadium they own, including two World Cup stadiums to make profit for their losses.

 

[Aegus]

I know you're trying to be funny, but Qatar actually has plans for many of the stadiums that will go unused after 2022

I will buy a hat and eat it if any of this actually happens.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

So they really did pave paradise and put up a parking lot.

Thumbs up.

 

[mantidor]

Brazil gaf didn't a lot of native Brazilian tribes (indios I think?) get screwed over by being relocated from this to? Thought I saw a report on it watching KERA a while back.

Sorry I'm not certain what the proper terminology for native indians in Brazil is :/

It was about some museum as far as I know, not actual displacement.

Also poor people from favelas frequently take over abandoned buildings or lots and then are expelled in nasty raids by the police if an owner of the place appears, some sensationalist news outlets tried to tie that with the World Cup but it had nothing to do with it. It happened before the WC and it still happens long after it.

 

[ohyouagain]

They're one miserable pile of secrets!

I see what you did here...

No, seriously. At their head, FIFA and CIO have turned into vast mafias helping local governments divert public funds and/or leechers that feed off the ambition of some countries to shine internationally.
It has nothing to do with sports. And I let you imagine what other organizations like UEFA, UCI or FSI do.