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Walmart’s Out-of-Control Crime Problem Is Driving Police Crazy

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jstripes

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Pretty crazy but now that they mention it, the lack of greeters, lack of cashiers, and self check out make the store seem almost like no one is working there the times I've been there.

In that way, it doesn't seem so surprising that for a store like this people decided to take advantage of that.

Well, that's what happens when you consolidate virtually all of a community's retail into a single understaffed store with more floor space than a jumbo jet hangar.

Isn't this essentially victim blaming? I understand Walmart isn't the greatest corporation in the world, but shouldn't Tulsa's (apparent) crime problem be driving police crazy?
That's like saying it's not your fault for getting sick all the time when you have really shitty personal hygiene.
 
Lines there are HORRIBLE. 30 lanes, 5 cashiers.

I don't even know why I go sometimes. I definitely don't go often.

It's awful. I've almost completely stopped going to Walmart primarily because it's such a pain in the ass to check out thanks to that. There are maybe three or four regular registers open, one speedy check-out opened, the speedy check-out with tobacco products, and then the self-checkout registers.

Even when I go to Walmart in the dead of night (2am-3am) there are STILL lines, but now because the only registers open are the self-checkout ones and maybe the tobacco register.
 

aeolist

Banned
the whole enterprise is a parasite on society in every conceivable way

it does nothing but siphon wealth and prosperity out of every area it spreads to while giving nothing back
 
Isn't this essentially victim blaming? I understand Walmart isn't the greatest corporation in the world, but shouldn't Tulsa's (apparent) crime problem be driving police crazy?
Nah, once you are a 200+ billion dollar company, you can be expected to invest in these issues by improving your buildings, training personal, make sure there are people around to watch everything, make it an environment that does not invite shoplifters, etc.

They address this in the article:

Police departments inevitably compare their local Walmarts with Target stores. Target, Walmart’s largest competitor, is a different kind of retail business, with mostly smaller stores that tend to be located in somewhat more affluent neighborhoods. But there are other reasons Targets have less crime. Unlike most Walmarts, they’re not open 24 hours a day. Nor do they allow people to camp overnight in their parking lots, as Walmarts do. Like Walmart, Target relies heavily on video surveillance, but it employs sophisticated software that can alert the store security office when shoppers spend too much time in front of merchandise or linger for long periods outside after closing time. The biggest difference, police say, is simply that Targets have more staff visible in stores.

“Target doesn’t have these problems,” says Ferguson. “Part of it may be the lower prices at Walmart or where Walmart is located, but when I walk into Target I see uniformed security or someone walking around up front. You see no one at Walmart. It just seems like an easy target.” A Target spokeswoman declined to comment on the two companies’ security policies.

The petty thefts are one thing, but how are they responsible for all of the violent crimes?
Once you are the environment with higher crime rates and thus more criminals and shady people hanging around, that would also increase violent crime. Same reason you have more violent crimes in one part of a city compared to another.
 
I feel like shit when I have to buy at Walmart. But I try my best to be nice to the workers and show my appreciation. They deserve better.
 
I always love it when Gaf act so smug and act as if Walmart is some dirty slumy place where only poor people shop. Yet blindly defend Target. The only difference is one is red and the other blue. Costco is superior to both and treats their customers and employees with respect.
 

Broank

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I was just thinking about this the other day. Always surprises me how few people Walmart usually has working. Like there is this huge busy store and there are like 5 employees around. Usually one cashier for like 12 empty checkout lanes and another on the self checkout. And there is almost always a cop car parked in front of the store.

Then you go to Home Depot, Publix etc. and there are like 50 people and all the checkout lanes have cashiers even when it's not very busy.
 
Also keep in mind that Walmart's very existence tends to cause damage to businesses in the area. I'm not expressly anti-competitive, but the stranglehold they have on their suppliers means that nobody CAN compete without a similar stranglehold or at least economies of scale T hen, they'll hire a large number of people, but provide strange and/or inconsistent hours

And thats Walmarts fault how? Blame Corporations and our shitty Capitalism. Barnes and nobles killed off our Mom and Pa stores, Gamestop the same.But to solely blame Walmart is BS.

This, when coupled with the tendency for businesses to get schedules out extremely late, makes it difficult to find AND hold a second job...without losing the first. There aren't laws protecting people from poor management and the consequences thereof -- If your schedule for one job relies on the schedule for the other, you need o know it well BEFORE the week of.

Working two jobs in retail is almost impossible. It's not Walmarts fault for not catering to you. Again, you can't just work whenever you want and expect to get any hours.


And then, the pay is also pretty garbage. Much of the shopping is done at Walmart, businesses in the same vein cant' compete, and with fewer businesses comes fewer numbers of people purchasing products locally. Of course, if you work at Walmart, you'll also shop at Walmart because...what choice do you have, really?n.

You get paid $10/h starting out and at least 30 hours. Meanwhile every other retailer is offering 7.50 for less hours too. Did I mention you also get quarterly bonuses and how easy it is to move up? Oh and supervisors can get a minimum of $13/h starting out with a set schedule and a full-time. 15/hour is not happening. I'd rather them focus on employee rights. As it stands now all it takes is a shit head manger having a bad day and you can get fired. Thanks Right to Work States!

I was just thinking about this the other day. Always surprises me how few people Walmart usually has working. Like there is this huge busy store and there are like 5 employees around. Usually one cashier for like 12 empty checkout lanes and another on the self checkout. And there is almost always a cop car parked in front of the store.

Then you go to Home Depot, Publix etc. and there are like 50 people and all the checkout lanes have cashiers even when it's not very busy.

Stores have a limited number of hours that are based off sales forecast. You can't just have 50 cashiers scheduled for a slow day. Walmart corporate believe in the shitty "less is best" motto. Schedule the bare minimum not accounting for call ins. Then Management is left wondering why they have long lines and angry customers or nothing gets done. It's a shit show. I'm always left banging my head against the wall because of their shit. the other day we got robbed because, we had our Sporting Goods Associate on a register. Gee thanks Management!
 

fuzzyset

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Nah, once you are a 200+ billion dollar company, you can be expected to invest in these issues by improving your buildings, training personal, make sure there are people around to watch everything, make it an environment that does not invite shoplifters, etc.

They address this in the article.

They address it and then completely ignore it. Why not compare crime at geographically co-located Walmarts and Target? There are many places with both.
 
I always love it when Gaf act so smug and act as if Walmart is some dirty slumy place where only poor people shop. Yet blindly defend Target. The only difference is one is red and the other blue. Costco is superior to both and treats their customers and employees with respect.

Some people may do it out of smugness but I think it's more that Walmart is an awful, awful company, all around. Target isn't.
 
That's like saying it's not your fault for getting sick all the time when you have really shitty personal hygiene.

You are equating criminals and theft to bacteria that make you sick? Someone's doing something wrong here, and it's the people taking merchandise that don't belong to them, not really Walmart.
 

Trojita

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In the town I grew up in the Walmart there was always notorious with having shady shit go down in the parking lot late at night.
 

Mistake

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My friend's dad works as security. He had to go to a different store once, and the theft was so bad there that he got everyone fired, closed the store for a month, and reopened it. People were walking out of the store with TV's on an annual basis and boxes of apple products would go missing.
 

jstripes

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You are equating criminals and theft to bacteria that make you sick? Someone's doing something wrong here, and it's the people taking merchandise that don't belong to them, not really Walmart.
If you'd read the actual article in the OP, you'd see that yes, there is a whole lot more Walmart could be doing to make their stores less attractive to criminals.
 

Dishwalla

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I always love it when Gaf act so smug and act as if Walmart is some dirty slumy place where only poor people shop. Yet blindly defend Target. The only difference is one is red and the other blue. Costco is superior to both and treats their customers and employees with respect.

I've never seen a Target that was as grimy and unorganized as your average Walmart. Here we have both across the highway from each other and they couldn't be any different. The "red" one is is cleaner and has its products in the locations they are supposed to be(not to mention adequate stock), the "blue" one is dirty and features aisles upon aisles of mislocated merchandise and plenty of empty hooks and hangers and shelf space where merchandise should be.


Like seriously some months back I was looking for a digital bathroom scale, so I went to Walmart and spent 20 minutes looking for a non existent product before giving up(probably wouldn't have been so bad if there was an associate around to help me, but there wasn't). Went across the street to Target and went down two aisles before I found what I was looking for.
 
If you'd read the actual article in the OP, you'd see that yes, there is a whole lot more Walmart could be doing to make their stores less attractive to criminals.

That's great, but I don't care if Walmart doesn't want to do that within reason. Criminals don't have the right to steal items from a store just because. Do you absolve pirates from illegally torrenting games because they are easy to crack?
 

water_wendi

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Saw this the other day.

Cenk from TYT made a good point i havent seen elsewhere. Taxpayers already subsidize Walmart for minimum non-living wages (people got to eat so foodstamps) and cutting hours down so they dont need to provide healthcare (31 hour max or whatever to skirt that requirement).. might as well cut loss prevention staff and just let the police do all the work. Walmart doesnt mind you paying for it.
 

jstripes

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That's great, but I don't care if Walmart doesn't want to do that within reason. Criminals don't have the right to steal items from a store just because. Do you absolve pirates from illegally torrenting games because they are easy to crack?

"If people would just stop doing bad things then no one would be doing any bad things."

Walmart essentially considers shoplifting to be a cost of doing business, and couldn't be bothered to invest properly in curbing it. If criminals consider Walmart to be an easy place to steal from, they'll steal more brazenly. That brings with it more crime of different types.
 

Chumly

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That's great, but I don't care if Walmart doesn't want to do that within reason. Criminals don't have the right to steal items from a store just because. Do you absolve pirates from illegally torrenting games because they are easy to crack?
City police departments are not set up to run security for a store. That is the stores problem. If you have a city police officer just parked at a store documenting thousands of petty crimes it's a taxpayer burden. Walmart has literally shifted its loss prevention budget to the city police department.
 
I was in our local Walmart a few months ago when I saw an unleashed dog walking by the grocery section who stopped and took a shit right in the middle of the aisle.
Dont know if it was a service dog, it didnt have a leash or collar that I could see.
 

HeySeuss

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You are equating criminals and theft to bacteria that make you sick? Someone's doing something wrong here, and it's the people taking merchandise that don't belong to them, not really Walmart.

I think it's more akin to theft being predominantly a crime of opportunity. Walmart eliminating loss prevention staff and greeters gives people ample opportunity.

If that many known crimes happen at that Walmart that they have that many reports generated from one store, think of just how much goes unaccounted for. Whatever the number, Walmart still considers it more profitable to hire a Police Officer occasionally than to hire a staff that could take away the opportunity making it easier to steal in the first place.

It's not a bad analogy at all.
 

Curler

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I've never seen a Target that was as grimy and unorganized as your average Walmart. Here we have both across the highway from each other and they couldn't be any different.

I can relate. I have a Walmart and Target very close by, and on the "worst" sides of town, which isn't even that bad. I'd say the Target is the the slightly more "worst" side. I have yet to see a problem in the Target, as a customer experience. Walmart on the other hand... the customers there honestly scare me sometimes. At night, one woman seemed to be accused of stealing, and threw a fit and even tried to charge at the guard when she was outside. Another time, a HUGE fight broke out between some couple in the parking lot. (Those are times when I want to run to my car and just take off!) Another time, I saw some woman bent down in the frozen food aisle, because she found an outlet to charge her phone in underneath.

I have NEVER seen the above at any Targets I've ever been to. I hate going to Walmart, and only do if I'm looking for something very specific, but every time I walk in I hate it, and pretty much always walk out without a purchase.... I prefer my Red Card, anyways.
 

SteveO409

Did you know Halo invented the FPS?
I wonder how bad thefts are in self-checkouts. There's no way one person can constantly make sure everyone checks out all of their items from 8-10 different self-service checkouts.
 

ezrarh

Member
Saw this the other day.

Cenk from TYT made a good point i havent seen elsewhere. Taxpayers already subsidize Walmart for minimum non-living wages (people got to eat so foodstamps) and cutting hours down so they dont need to provide healthcare (31 hour max or whatever to skirt that requirement).. might as well cut loss prevention staff and just let the police do all the work. Walmart doesnt mind you paying for it.

They are also dependent on subsidized infrastructure. The tax dollar per acre that they generate is often less than the local pizzeria once you measure it based on the land area consumed. Everything about Walmart is a netloss to the community.
 
They are also dependent on subsidized infrastructure. The tax dollar per acre that they generate is often less than the local pizzeria once you measure it based on the land area consumed. Everything about Walmart is a netloss to the community.

Walmart still provides the cheapest goods. Without it, people would have to pay more for everyday items like groceries, school supplies, and apparel. Walmart stores bring traffic to local shopping centers, providing patrons to countless local pizzerias, bars, barbershops, and dry cleaners that are situated near it. Finally, Walmart provides hundreds of thousands of jobs to people, paying them $10/hr minimum. All of those small businesses you talk about, probably pay their employees less than Walmart, since the minimum wage is only $7.25 in a lot of states.
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Only been in one once and it was amazingly bare and weird. I thought it would just be like target. Noooioiope
 

Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Walmart still provides the cheapest goods. Without it, people would have to pay more for everyday items like groceries, school supplies, and apparel. Walmart stores bring traffic to local shopping centers, providing patrons to countless local pizzerias, bars, barbershops, and dry cleaners that are situated near it. Finally, Walmart provides hundreds of thousands of jobs to people, paying them $10/hr minimum. All of those small businesses you talk about, probably pay their employees less than Walmart, since the minimum wage is only $7.25 in a lot of states.


I don't think you understood the underlying math of the thing you quoted...
 
So they've cut costs by pushing security and loss prevention onto local police. And local taxes.

Same thing they do with employees on food stamps.



That's great.

I agree. Private corporations and individuals should be responsible for buying their own police protection.

anarcho-gadsden-flag.jpg


Welcome to anarcho capitalism, friend. Expect your pamphlet in the mail.
 

Wolfe

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200 violent crimes for 365 days for 4500 locations actually doesn't sound THAT bad statistically.

Let's see the equivalent stats for stores like Target and Fred Meyer (can't think of anymore "like Walmart" stores lol), then we can decide if it sounds bad or not :p
 

Joni

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City police departments are not set up to run security for a store. That is the stores problem. If you have a city police officer just parked at a store documenting thousands of petty crimes it's a taxpayer burden. Walmart has literally shifted its loss prevention budget to the city police department.

Arresting criminals and writing up the citations for those arrests is always a police man's job, no matter where the criminal is caught.
 
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