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WaPo: A black blues musician has a unique hobby: Befriending white supremacists

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A black blues musician has a unique hobby: Befriending white supremacists

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Scott Shepherd is a former grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan. Daryl Davis is a black blues musician who has been befriending white supremacists for 30 years, trying to convert them.

When Shepherd first heard about Davis five years ago, he was dumbfounded.

”I thought he was nuts," said Shepherd, 58, of South Haven, Miss. ”I told him he was a total crackpot."

But over the course of dozens of phone calls, several visits and countless conversations about music, the two became friends — so much so that Shepherd now proudly calls himself a ”reformed racist" and says Davis is a brother to him.

Davis, 59, has met and befriended many Klan members over the years, connecting over subjects such as family and music. Davis, an R&B musician who played the piano for Chuck Berry, also uses a combination of logic and history to try to persuade them to reconsider their racist beliefs.

Between 40 and 50 Klan members, he claims, have renounced their membership because of his intervention, and many have handed over their robes, which he keeps in his home in Silver Spring, Md.

One day, he said, he hopes to open a museum.

Davis, who was featured in a PBS documentary released in February that screened at South by Southwest last year, has gained a measure of fame over the past 30 years for his seemingly far-fetched mission. Following the violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville on Aug. 12, The Washington Post asked Davis whether his mission or optimistic outlook had changed.

His resounding answer: No.

”I don't think my job has gotten any harder. They are human beings," he said, speaking about the white supremacists he has met over the years. ”Many are good, hard-working people with a skewed perception of life and reality."

Davis said President Trump — who was widely criticized for equivocating before eventually denouncing white supremacists — can't be blamed for the deadly violence in Virginia.

”He fans a lot of flames the wrong way," Davis said. ”But the racist culture that allowed Charlottesville to happen was in place long before Trump ran for president."

The silver lining of tragic events like Charlottesville, Davis said, is that they foster conversations about race that he feels are crucial to ending racism.

”Talking about race in this country has been taboo for way too long," Davis said.

Davis faces a lot of skepticism.

Mark Potok, an expert on extremism formerly with the Southern Poverty Law Center, said in the PBS documentary that Davis's strategy may or may not end up working in the long run. But he said, ”We can't wait around. ... There is a larger poison at work here."

Davis's approach, which takes him to Klan rallies and members' homes across the country, has also made him distinctly unpopular among some black activists, who suggest his time would be better spent engaging in the communities affected by racism as opposed to befriending those who perpetuate it.

Kwame Rose, a prominent activist in Baltimore, told The Washington Post that when Davis makes friends with avowed racists, he validates their racism.

”What happened in Charlottesville is why we don't need people collecting KKK robes," Rose said. ”We do not need to give anyone ammunition to celebrate their racist past."

During a heated exchange in the PBS documentary, called ”Accidental Courtesy: Daryl Davis, Race & America," Rose told Davis, ”Stop wasting your time going into people's houses that don't love you."

Davis fired back: ”So you believe no one can change?"

”No," Rose retorted. ”I believe you believe the wrong people can change."

Davis readily acknowledges that his upbringing — his father was in the Foreign Service so he spent much of his childhood abroad — gives him a perspective that is different from that of many African Americans his age.

When most schools in America were largely black or largely white, Davis was attending international schools that he remembers looking like ”a little Model United Nations."

He said he was a fourth-grader in a Boston suburb when he first encountered racism.

It was 1968, and he was one of two black students in his elementary school in Belmont, Mass. He had joined the Cub Scouts and was marching in a parade from Lexington to Concord when a group that had gathered on the side of the road began pelting rocks and soda cans at him. He remembered he was carrying an American flag.

Davis said he was ”so naive" at the time that he didn't realize he — the only black Cub Scout in the parade — was being targeted until his friends, troop leaders and grandmother formed a protective ring around him.

”The race thing didn't even occur to me," Davis said.


As his parents tended to his bruises and scrapes at home, they told Davis what racism meant. At first, he didn't accept the notion that such hatred could be generated by ”something as stupid as the color of skin."

But when Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated that spring, he came around to his parents' point of view.

With that realization, he formed a question: ”How can you hate me if you don't even know me?"

It's that question that drove Davis to begin researching the Klan and other hate groups when he was in high school. And it's that question that led him to become friends with his first Klan member in a bar when he was 25.

It was 1983, and Davis was playing the piano with a country band at the Silver Dollar Lounge in Frederick, Md. He was the only black musician in the band and the only black person in the bar.

After the band finished its set, a white man approached Davis. He told him it was the first time he had heard a black man play piano like Jerry Lee Lewis.

Amused, Davis told the man that he knew Lewis and that Lewis was influenced by black blues musicians.

The man didn't believe Davis on either count at first, but he did buy him a cranberry juice — Davis doesn't drink alcohol. He then confessed that Davis was the first black man with whom he had shared a drink.

”I asked him why," remembered Davis. ”I wasn't trying to be facetious or anything — I just didn't understand."

That's when the man, with prompting from his friend, told Davis he was in the KKK.

”I was still naive, so I just laughed at first," Davis said. ”I didn't believe him until he showed me his Klan card."

But, after bonding over their shared taste in music, the man asked Davis to let him know the next time he played at the bar. And so he did, and Davis's first unlikely friendship was formed.

The man, as Davis tells it, eventually left the Klan because of the friendship he'd formed with Davis.


”Klansmen and Klanswomen aren't cut from the same cloth," he said. ”They have different stories, though they have the same underlying theme where they feel like they've been marginalized by people who are inferior to them."

Davis, who wrote a book in 1998 called ”Klan-destine Relationships: A Black Man's Odyssey in the Ku Klux Klan," was featured in stories on CNN and in the The Washington Post in the 1990s.

In 1996, KKK Imperial Wizard Roger Kelly expressed his respect for Davis even while speaking at a Klan rally in Clairmont, Md., according to CNN.

”I would follow that man to hell and back because I believe in what he stands for," Kelly said at the time about Davis. ”We don't agree on everything, but at least he respects me to sit down and listen and I respect him."

Three years later, Kelly quit the Klan and gave Davis his robe.
 

Ozigizo

Member
Oh, this again.

😒

This is the thing that every fucking moderate points at. It's a moderate talking point now.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
You don't know how many "both sides" moderates have brought this guy up.

They made a movie about this. This guy is much more effective than Antifa.

Not to put down this guy's efforts but this is such a shit hot take.
 

RMI

Banned
why can't we have both?

obviously if minorities or targeted people want to befriend white supremacists, more power to them, but just beacuse some people are taking this road doesn't mean other means of dealing with racist assholes aren't needed.
 

royalan

Member
It seems like every year when some white supremacist group does something hateful enough to get news coverage, we get op-eds dedicated to this guy.

Like, stop. It's fucking offensive at this point. It's like low-key blaming white supremacy on the black people who don't go out their way to play the Magical Negro trope for a racist.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
why can't we have both?

obviously if minorities or targeted people want to befriend white supremacists, more power to them, but just beacuse some people are taking this road doesn't mean other means of dealing with racist assholes aren't needed.

Not too mention talking back to racists as a minority, especially ones who believe strongly enough to be in hate groups, could get you beaten or worse.
 

JustenP88

I earned 100 Gamerscore™ for collecting 300 widgets and thereby created Trump's America
They made a movie about this. This guy is much more effective than Antifa.

Oh yay it's you again. It's perfect that the first thing you mention is a movie because that's about the extent of this anecdote's usefulness.

This is good for feelies and all but it's like saying "I gave a homeless dude $20 today so we're well on our way toward fixing poverty."

It's also a shitty way of inferring that the oppressed deserve a share of the blame.
 

Tylercrat

Banned
That's Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks. Just kidding. The guy is actually a great guy.

But I do think this is who Aaron MacGruder designed Uncle Ruckus based on. Just a theory.
 

Mesousa

Banned
I know the type very well.

If a black man tried to talk to him on the street he wouldnt even acknowledge him, but he got time for KKK.
 

BitStyle

Unconfirmed Member
Oh, this again.

😒

This is the thing that every fucking moderate points at. It's a moderate talking point now.
Yep. Remember seeing this story pop up twice last year
It seems like every year when some white supremacist group does something hateful enough to get news coverage, we get op-eds dedicated to this guy.

Like, stop. It's fucking offensive at this point. It's like low-key blaming white supremacy on the black people who don't go out their way to play the Magical Negro trope for a racist.
Preach
 

Hellraizah

Member
What's with those negative posts? This man is awesome, I had no idea he existed.

Exactly. If you get violent towards people, you only fuel their hate. This guy bonds with them over something else that's not about race and in the end, they forget his skin color and they realize that he's just another human being.
 
He's basically the new MLK in terms of being used to marginalize minorities when it comes to race relations.

"Yes the KKK and Neo-Nazis want you to be murdered and/or sent to Africa. They want to strip you of all rights. But... have you tried befriending them?

This has nothing to do with the guy himself. Dude is cool. He was cool the last 10 years he has had articles written about him.
 
First, this guy sounds like a good person.

I'm tired of his story being used to basically tell black people that we need to befriend white supremacist. This removes responsibility from our white peers to deal with the hatred they see at their dinner table and board room meetings. As a society we should be vigilant in crushing bigotry and hate, and the priority shouldn't be me adding some Nazi scum on PSN so we can play Destiny 2.
 

Eidan

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Yes yes we know about him. He seems to be mentioned all the time. If only the rest of us blacks just decided to pal around with klansmen. The world would be a better place.
 

Con_Smith

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I mean he gets results and I don't blame him for trying. I know I've had conversations with some white guys that made them question how they think. Others have lead to verbal and almost physical altercation so iunno.
 
What's with those negative posts? This man is awesome, I had no idea he existed.

Because we've done this thread like twice before.

Nobody has an issue with his efforts. The problem is the implied idea that it's the responsibility of minorities to win over their oppressors, and when people say stupid shit about how effective he is, and how if we talked to each other we could make progress. None of the above is true.

In fact, if white people took the lead on racial oppression and actually made it unacceptable to be a racist in this country, we could have effectively stamped out racism a long fucking time ago. The issue shouldn't be "look at this awesome black guy changing the minds of racists, let's focus on that." it should be, "Why aren't the people least likely to be discriminated against racism doing everything they can ti stop it?"

What's especially funny about seeing this story now is that unlike the last few times it was posted, we weren't dealing with actual Neo Nazis with torches and yelling about blood and soil having large demonstrations that get people killed. Miss me with talking to any of those "people" right now.
 

NastyBook

Member
Oh, it's this dude again. They trot him out to tell black folks to just love the people in the dominant society that are oppressing and killing them with impunity.

Bottom line is this: It's not OUR fucking job to get these subhuman assholes to stop being disgusting, subhuman assholes. Anybody who believes this, that the onus for change lies with the oppressed, can sincerely go fuck themselves.
 

royalan

Member
Yep, all the black people who have been actively discriminated against by racists.

Hunted. Murdered. Enslaved. Raped.

The problem this whole time is we just haven't been friendly enough.

Not enough eyerolls in the world.
 

Akuun

Looking for meaning in GAF
The guy sounds like a great person, but it should be clear that this is one guy going WAY out of his way to be nice to white supremacists.

It's obviously working for him and it's great that it is, but it should absolutely not be considered normal or expected behavior.
 

Caelus

Member
You know - racist assholes are aware of these stories too.

Why does it not behoove them to befriend or extend a hand to members of the minority groups they constantly denigrate?

Or would it just be to have a token minority friend so they can claim they're not racist?
 

royalan

Member
Why didn't we get a thread about the white woman with biracial kids who beat the Dog Shit out of the racist woman who wouldn't shut up with her racism? Happened a week ago.

Frankly, that's what we need to see more of.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Exactly. If you get violent towards people, you only fuel their hate. This guy bonds with them over something else that's not about race and in the end, they forget his skin color and they realize that he's just another human being.

Yeah because the KKK was driven into the shadows at the fringe of society because minorities were befriending them and changing their minds. Oh wait that's not at all true.
 

Kreed

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It seems like every year when some white supremacist group does something hateful enough to get news coverage, we get op-eds dedicated to this guy.

Like, stop. It's fucking offensive at this point. It's like low-key blaming white supremacy on the black people who don't go out their way to play the Magical Negro trope for a racist.

We've had a few GAF threads too:

This Black Musician Explains Why He is Friends With White Supremacists

KKK Member Walks up to a Black Musician in Bar...
 

MUnited83

For you.
They made a movie about this. This guy is much more effective than Antifa.
By actual numbers he's pretty innefective
Also gross was fuck (like ridiculously gross) that the cure to racism is making black people engage with the people that have historically murdered, lynched and abused them.
 

Squire

Banned
This dude has reports written about him nearly every other year, a Netflix doc, Klan robes he's collecting with the aim of opening a museum, and friends he is making out of racists.

The only person benefiting from his work is himself and the Klan members he makes feel better about themselves. "Handing in their robes" doesn't mean shit to me nor does it prove anything.
 

Buckle

Member
You know - racist assholes are aware of these stories too.

Why does it not behoove them to befriend or extend a hand to members of the minority groups they constantly denigrate?

Or would it just be to have a token minority friend so they can claim they're not racist?
I know somebody who has made a ton of black friends yet can be surprisingly racist behind their back.

Known coworkers like that too. Be the nicest person in the world to a young black fellow employee and then turn around and get into a conversation about how he doesn't want to live next to n*****s, which is shocked me.

Both would disagree that they're racist. Its weird despite their transparency to it being otherwise.

This new breed of southern racism seems to lean heavily on the "you're one of the good ones" thing.
 

Hallowed

Member
I commend what the guy is doing and think it's a great way (note: a great way, not the only way) to go about changing peoples mindset that is clearly poisonous.
 

Skilletor

Member
Black people just need to go out and talk to the people who want them chained up and/or dead.

Look at this good one right here doing it the way it should be done.
 
Ah, see, I knew addressing racism was on black people! Why can't more of them incorporate racists into their social calendar? Then we wouldn't be in this mess!
 
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