ShadowSwordmaster
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There are spoilers for Dark Imperium out now.
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Vincent Alexander
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So, this is what I want if I am just now getting into 40K, but am also not rich?
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40000-dark-imperium-eng-2017
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Yep, great deal and you'll have what you need to start playing.
Android18a
Member
Yeah that box contains all you'll need to get started.
The two armies inside are actually 'new' in the sense that the Space Marine side is all new units, kind of like Space Marines Plus. The Chaos side is an update of a somewhat neglected faction known as the Death Guard, and should be getting a bunch of new kits down the line too.
So if you decide you like either of the armies in the set, they'll be a great groundwork to build upon. Plus you can pick up extra units from the set on eBay for ridiculously cheap prices.
The two armies inside are actually 'new' in the sense that the Space Marine side is all new units, kind of like Space Marines Plus. The Chaos side is an update of a somewhat neglected faction known as the Death Guard, and should be getting a bunch of new kits down the line too.
So if you decide you like either of the armies in the set, they'll be a great groundwork to build upon. Plus you can pick up extra units from the set on eBay for ridiculously cheap prices.
Cracklox
Member
Not sure if this is the best place to ask this but I'll give it a go.
Has anyone tried the Inquisitor: Martyr beta (or is it still in Alpha?)? Basically my dream game is an aprg (Diablo style if you will) set in the 40k universe and this is about the only one I know of that comes close to that. I wish the class choices used more of the universe as opposed to just keeping it to inquisitors, but it seems as close as I'm going to get for now.
I'm hesitant to jump on the founders pack at the moment cos reasons, but everything they're talking about and promising with the evolving world depending on what the player base does, sounds pretty great. Also, the combat looks pretty cool, if a little slower paced, but (hopefully) more tactical then a typical Diablo style game.
Has anyone had any hands on time and could give some thoughts? Impressions are sort of hard to find, and the game is otherwise a non-entity on Gafs gaming side
Has anyone tried the Inquisitor: Martyr beta (or is it still in Alpha?)? Basically my dream game is an aprg (Diablo style if you will) set in the 40k universe and this is about the only one I know of that comes close to that. I wish the class choices used more of the universe as opposed to just keeping it to inquisitors, but it seems as close as I'm going to get for now.
I'm hesitant to jump on the founders pack at the moment cos reasons, but everything they're talking about and promising with the evolving world depending on what the player base does, sounds pretty great. Also, the combat looks pretty cool, if a little slower paced, but (hopefully) more tactical then a typical Diablo style game.
Has anyone had any hands on time and could give some thoughts? Impressions are sort of hard to find, and the game is otherwise a non-entity on Gafs gaming side
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Yep, it's on the way sometime this year.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Will it cost money tho? The GW site is selling the digital rules..
Great! I must download the sigmar one to see what it might do
It's in alpha, not beta.
And I'd like to hear people's opinions on it too. I've been watching some videos on it and while it sounds promising, it's still very basic at the moment and I remember too well that space marine game (eternal crusade?) That was big on promises and ended up. A lot more limited in final release, so I'm A bit hesitant to pull th trigger.
Anyone here play it and want to share your thoughts?
GarthVaderUK
Banned
The AoS app is free to download and the warscrolls for each unit are free too. However, the 40K datasheets haven't been released for free on GW's website (unlike the AoS warscrolls) so I'm not yet sure if they'll be free in the 40K app...
For me, there's a very useful free feature in the AoS app called 'My Battle', which basically allows you to compile a little codex dedicated to your battle (including your warscrolls, your opponent's warscrolls, the mission rules, faction rules and the core game rules), which saves you from having to flick around the app constantly and means you don't need to have a bunch of different books in front of you when playing a mixed faction army.
You can buy digital copies of the various AoS books in the app as well if that's your thing, and there's an army builder built into the app (called Azyr) which costs £1 per month to access. I expect the 40K app will have something similar.
For me, there's a very useful free feature in the AoS app called 'My Battle', which basically allows you to compile a little codex dedicated to your battle (including your warscrolls, your opponent's warscrolls, the mission rules, faction rules and the core game rules), which saves you from having to flick around the app constantly and means you don't need to have a bunch of different books in front of you when playing a mixed faction army.
You can buy digital copies of the various AoS books in the app as well if that's your thing, and there's an army builder built into the app (called Azyr) which costs £1 per month to access. I expect the 40K app will have something similar.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
We books and covers from Black Library.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Huh
We don't get much Chaos PoV stories, do we?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Nope. I believe the Iron Warriors hold the record for the amount of POV books they have.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Hrm, neat. I wonder if they're gonna try to make the characters sympathetic @_@
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
It's Alpha Legion, so maybe.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Never heard of it, but it looks cool enough. I think I might go ahead and impulse buy it tomorrow to give a try, just because I'm in the middle of a big Dawn of War high right now. Just started and completed Dawn of War 2: Retribution this weekend, so I need something new to dig my teeth into.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Two more covers.
Cracklox
Member
ya I loved DoW 2. Not really into the PvP but I've beaten the main game and expansion a couple of times. It was actually pretty close to what I described, with loot to hunt and more of a focus on heroes then armies. I just yearn for those systems, in that setting, with more more direct character control, and little more depth on how to build your your heroes. DoW3 looks ok, but its look like it gone back to the more old school RTS style with base building and bigger armies etc.
If you do give Inquisitor a go, post some thoughts if you will. As you can see the games hardly setting the world on fire
even in a videogame forum thread dedicated to its source material
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
I really liked those Iron Warrior books, although memory may be varnishing them beyond their actual quality...
My understanding is that all 40k individual data sheets will be available online - they have for a few years been providing free rules in the boxes and I cannot fathom why they would not provide data sheets on the website. 8th doesn't realise for 12 more days, hence why no data sheets online.
They've said the 40k app will improve on the AOS one, so fingers crossed.
Most other Chaos Marines are pretty much insane, and it's hard to write a compelling story starring insane murder machines. Alpha Legion's one of the only few good options you've got.
The fuck did they do to the Lion?
I dunno, it all depends on how you go at it. Kharn is completely insane, but The Red Path was still pretty compelling. And ADBs Night Lords books are great.
Oh, yeah, it's not impossible. But it's pretty hard.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
It seems they may be taking a different approach with 40K:
https://twitter.com/geekjockpete/status/867077223278411777
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Guess they're trying to make as much cash as possible
I will be getting the Start Collecting for the Tau that includes the book (eh, why not), and the full rulebook on iPad. I wish they had free versions for the bare minimum stuff, but oh well :/
What's the best way to get rid of a bunch of 40k Orks in the UK?
I've got a tonne in various stages of painting, but I've kind of given up with them.
Have started collecting Skitarii & am going to follow down that route with them and some allied Imperium forces, so would be nice to make some cash out of the Orks to fill my army up a bit.
I've got a tonne in various stages of painting, but I've kind of given up with them.
Have started collecting Skitarii & am going to follow down that route with them and some allied Imperium forces, so would be nice to make some cash out of the Orks to fill my army up a bit.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
They gave him the beard that everyone was complaining about.
They both share the Imperium faction, so you'll be able to throw them in the same detachment if there's enough slots for the GK units. If they somehow don't fit, you just need to take an additional HQ unit to make the GK into a patrol detachment with no downsides.
manfestival
Member
I preordered mine so I can't wait to get it
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Warhammer Live schedule (UK times/BST):
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Couple of Forge World datasheets released today:
Love the 40k lore, Horus Heresy books etc.
Thinking of grabbing the new 40k box edition as the models look sweet but no intention of actually playing the game. However keen to paint and display the models as a hobby and unleash creativity.
What accessories, paints etc are a good set to go with edition 8? Anything else?
Thinking of grabbing the new 40k box edition as the models look sweet but no intention of actually playing the game. However keen to paint and display the models as a hobby and unleash creativity.
What accessories, paints etc are a good set to go with edition 8? Anything else?
Read quite a bit of Dark Imperium, and am enjoying it. Guilliman is an interesting character. He's kind of a Captain America man out of time figure. Everything is weird and slightly disturbing to him.
The book starts with his final fight with the Deamon Fulgrim, before Guilliman ended up in a coma.
Which is quite cool. Makes me want a model of Deamon Fulgrim.
The book starts with his final fight with the Deamon Fulgrim, before Guilliman ended up in a coma.
Which is quite cool. Makes me want a model of Deamon Fulgrim.
TheVoidDragon
Member
If you're wanting it more for the hobby side, the starter set might not be the best thing to go for. I'm fairly sure the models in that are snap-together from a few pieces (so pretty much partially pre-built) which limits how you can put them together.
Clippers, plastic glue, an exacto knife (for trimming mold lines)
A good paint primer (I would use Citadel Chaos Black spray)
Appropriate paint colors; generally you want at least one base color + a shade (wash) + a lighter color for highlighting.
You can spruce up the bases of the minis before you paint them by basing them; I use sand held in place with PVA (Elmer's) glue.
There's really no "required" set, you get what you want for your colour scheme. With the exception of Nuln Oil. That goes with everything.
GW has some starters sets that come with a bit of everything, like this one, but it looks like that it comes with no washes or layer paints. Then again, you can just dilute and mix colours if you want to get by. I don't like mixing colours so I've amassed quite a set of paints.
manfestival
Member
How did you get this early?! I demand my copy now. No spoilers!
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Dark Imperium the novel is out
sadly the minis and game are not. I'm finding it quite enjoyable. Gulliman is done very well. The Primaries are cool but it does feel at times like a showcase for the new models. But, I can forgive that. I'd strongly recommend it so far.
manfestival
Member
They didn't have any copies at my local gw! This is a travesty and I even did a preorderDark Imperium the novel is out
I'd strongly recommend it so far.
So I'm getting pretty into the planning side of things in preparation for buying my first set of figures... making lists for the craft store and the GW website.
I figured I'd start with some boring old Space Marines, just because I'm mostly interested in the painting / design side of things and they seem the easiest to paint.
I decided on a 'coyote' themed custom chapter so I can add some Space Wolves transfers and maybe some Upgrade Kit bits for flavour. I actually uh just bought DoW III to use the army painter to pick out a colour scheme.
Anyway it's all fun but I had a couple questions for 40kGAF:
Should I use Space Wolves models and codex or just use vanilla Marines with the odd pelt or claw thrown in? Does it make a difference?
Is there a 'best' paint brand? I see there are some Vallejo sets with a lot of colours I like. But GW or P3 or whatever seem good too.
Thanks a lot to anyone who answers!
I figured I'd start with some boring old Space Marines, just because I'm mostly interested in the painting / design side of things and they seem the easiest to paint.
I decided on a 'coyote' themed custom chapter so I can add some Space Wolves transfers and maybe some Upgrade Kit bits for flavour. I actually uh just bought DoW III to use the army painter to pick out a colour scheme.
Anyway it's all fun but I had a couple questions for 40kGAF:
Should I use Space Wolves models and codex or just use vanilla Marines with the odd pelt or claw thrown in? Does it make a difference?
Is there a 'best' paint brand? I see there are some Vallejo sets with a lot of colours I like. But GW or P3 or whatever seem good too.
Thanks a lot to anyone who answers!
Coyote themed chapter sounds awesome! I kind of have an idea of what it could look like in my head and I definitely like your approach with combining bits.
You can mix and match different Space Marine kits without issue mostly. Some of the Space Wolf heads only match up with other Space Wolf torsos, but by and large it's pretty modular. As for rules, you can run either any Marine rules you want as long as you're consistent across the whole army. Hell, you could use Blood Angel rules if you wanted, it's your chapter after all. I don't think anyone has any right to tell you you can't as long as you're clear about what your units do. What I mean is that you'll need your army to be all from one codex, but the models can come from anywhere. I've even seen people do Dark Angels Deathwing using Ork models in the past.
I mostly use Citadel paints, but P3 and Vallejo are very popular choices. As you improve you'll probably find you're using multiple brands of paints anyway. I don't really care for Vallejo metallics but I swear by the Citadel ones. But I love Vallejo white and black, and prefer that over Citadels.
Definitely give Vallejo a look though. They have Game Color paints and Model Color paints. They're both acrylic, but they have different color ranges, with Model Color paints verging more on the realistic tone side. And they make paint bundles for WW2 miniature games also, so you can find every imaginable shade of grey and brown among them. Post some pictures when you've painted one or two guys, would love to see them.
You can mix and match different Space Marine kits without issue mostly. Some of the Space Wolf heads only match up with other Space Wolf torsos, but by and large it's pretty modular. As for rules, you can run either any Marine rules you want as long as you're consistent across the whole army. Hell, you could use Blood Angel rules if you wanted, it's your chapter after all. I don't think anyone has any right to tell you you can't as long as you're clear about what your units do. What I mean is that you'll need your army to be all from one codex, but the models can come from anywhere. I've even seen people do Dark Angels Deathwing using Ork models in the past.
I mostly use Citadel paints, but P3 and Vallejo are very popular choices. As you improve you'll probably find you're using multiple brands of paints anyway. I don't really care for Vallejo metallics but I swear by the Citadel ones. But I love Vallejo white and black, and prefer that over Citadels.
Definitely give Vallejo a look though. They have Game Color paints and Model Color paints. They're both acrylic, but they have different color ranges, with Model Color paints verging more on the realistic tone side. And they make paint bundles for WW2 miniature games also, so you can find every imaginable shade of grey and brown among them. Post some pictures when you've painted one or two guys, would love to see them.
Oh wow, thanks for the tip on the realistic Vallejo colours. I think I'll get a bunch of these and some Citadel metallic ones and work it out.
As for minis, yeah, I think I'll mostly get vanilla Marines and accentuate with the occasional Wolves part. I was thinking I'd buy mostly Wolves minis but they look too distinctive / Norse really. And if I'm just buying plain Astartes I think I'll probably run them that way. Better to start generic anyway since I'm such a noob.
Thanks for the tips! I'll for sure post pictures once I have some painted. Now on to DoWIII to mess around with schemes.
As for minis, yeah, I think I'll mostly get vanilla Marines and accentuate with the occasional Wolves part. I was thinking I'd buy mostly Wolves minis but they look too distinctive / Norse really. And if I'm just buying plain Astartes I think I'll probably run them that way. Better to start generic anyway since I'm such a noob.
Thanks for the tips! I'll for sure post pictures once I have some painted. Now on to DoWIII to mess around with schemes.
SillyEskimo
Member
Did you mention decals?!?
Here's the best stuff money can buy. Nothing comes close. I've tried multiple solutions through the years and this stuff is untouchable. It eats away the film and pulls the decal down so well that it looks painted on, even on curved surfaces and over details.
Here's the best stuff money can buy. Nothing comes close. I've tried multiple solutions through the years and this stuff is untouchable. It eats away the film and pulls the decal down so well that it looks painted on, even on curved surfaces and over details.