Ah, that's what I get for not reading the entire thread, I read the title and quickly thought they wanted him to star in it.
Warner Bros. approach Ben Affleck for 'Justice League'
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Ah, that's what I get for not reading the entire thread, I read the title and quickly thought they wanted him to star in it.
Kevin Smith sucks. I want him nowhere near the JLA movie.
QuiteWhittle
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Skip the bullcrap and make a Kingdom Come film, already. In fact, I think that some elseworld films will do well in establishing the characters without more origin stories.
SpectreFire
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They have to re-establish Batman because people are going to immediately Associate Nolan's Batman with the movie. They need to ease people into the idea of a new Batman, they can't just throw him into a huge blockbuster film with a bevy of other big superheroes and expect them to be able to latch onto him.
They also have zero history of making a successful Superman or Superwoman film, putting all their eggs in that one basket is stupid, and will more likely fail than succeed.
Who cares about universal exposure, sure we all know who these characters are, but none of us are at all familiar with these specific adaptation of these characters. Just because they possess the same name, doesn't mean they're the same character.
It's like saying there isn't a difference between Burton's Batman and Nolan's Batman.
How? Batman is DC's ONLY major movie franchise. If they want the Justice League to be successful, they need to build it around Batman like the Avengers was built around Iron Man. They can't build it around Nolan's Batman because it doesn't fit, so the new trilogy is being made to help accommodate the Justice League film.
I never understood why they've never gone in this direction. Also why does it have to be live action? Why not insanely high quality animation or CGI with the DC animation department/people in charge?
The Elite
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I think you're over-thinking this. I don't think people will have an issue buying into another style of Batman after Nolan Batman. By 2015 (when this film will release) it won't be an issue at all.
Also, Superman is Superman, they will have no problem selling this guy.
You're worried about issues that just aren't there. These characters are timeless and have undergone huge transformations over the majority of the past decade yet still resonate with the masses around the world.
The demographic for a Justice League film would be the aged 15-30 crowd. Wonder Woman hasn't been in a live-action project since before these people were born.
I honest don't know much about Wonder Woman either. She's an Amazon? Or an alien? Or an alien amazon? She has a lasso of truth and an invisible jet. And that's pretty much it. I think Batman and Superman are really the only characters you can reliably expect people to know about.
The Elite
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Wonder Woman is probably the toughest to sell of the bunch but as far as I've seen she's still an iconic female character.
Lionel Mandrake
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An interesting choice. Affleck's shown himself to be a solid director.
Also, he happens to be good friends with someone who he could consult with...
Also, he happens to be good friends with someone who he could consult with...
Salvor.Hardin
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While I'm sure an animated JLA movie would make a decent buck for what it is, the studio clearly wants a summer blockbuster success story akin to The Avengers.
The Elite
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An interesting choice. Affleck's shown himself to be a solid director.
Also, he happens to be good friends with someone who he could consult with...
Affleck is a good choice but I'm mixed on Smith these days. He needs to distance himself from the fandom and start focusing on his work.
Remember when Smith took 3 years to right 5 issues of a Spiderman story that revolved around rape?
Lionel Mandrake
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I kind of feel the opposite. I haven't enjoyed much by him recently, but I have liked his discussions and such.
Edit: To clarify, I don't want Smith heavily involved with this, but it might be beneficial for Affleck to consult with such a die hard fan.
Most people had no idea what the Avengers was up until a few years, and I'd be willing to bet there's a good number of people who saw The Avengers this summer while being totally oblivious to the rest of the MCU. I don't think this is as big an issue as people make it out to be.
A Nolan character standing next to Wonder Woman :lol
Is Idris Elba going to play Green Lantern in the next reboot?
Remember when he wrote solid Batman, Spiderman and Green Arrow arcs yet the only thing people will talk about is one line completely taken out of context in one of the runs?
Because different mediums aren't 100% cross-compatible?
Salvor.Hardin
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Yeah but he did have a great Daredevil run.
Yeah, we learned that with Dini's shitty plots in the Arkham games.
The Avengers had the benefit of all the other movies coming out already so they didn't have to spend a lot of time on introducing the characters, the Justice League movie won't have that benefit. People know Batman, Superman and maybe Wonder Woman, but what about the other characters? I'm assuming the movie will be based on the new continuity of the DC comics so that means they'll have Aquaman, Flash and Cyborg as well. That's a lot of characters they'll have to introduce especially if they want to include their origins.
Will they get Cavill play superman here? Because the time lines will get really messy... lol
but if they do a justice league movie, I don't think they'll do a lot of origin... because by the time JL forms, everyone should already be a part of the universe.
That said, I don't think it's a good idea... yet. Start smaller - maybe a Batman Superman film first?
but if they do a justice league movie, I don't think they'll do a lot of origin... because by the time JL forms, everyone should already be a part of the universe.
That said, I don't think it's a good idea... yet. Start smaller - maybe a Batman Superman film first?
dude lives for his work. It's hard to find a hardest working man to be completely honest. It just so happens that his work moved away from movies and started focusing on his podcast networks and TV works.
at this exact time the dude oversees (and directly works/hosts some of) literally 30 podcasts (half of these weekly active), 3 live shows that constantly have him on tour, 3 TV shows, a whole chain of stores, live Q and A's, a project where he produces and tours with small indie flicks by other directors, and is currently writing and starting production on 2 movies and the ender for his Batman run.
He's a beast, I dont know how he does it without cloning himself.
Yeah I don't know about this. How about starting with a simple Batman/Superman crossover first.
I find it kind of hard to believe that Affleck would stipulate being a part of the cast. Didn't he say playing Daredevil was embarrassing and that he wouldn't take on another superhero role?
The Variety article said that he might use directing JL as leverage to star in a sci-fi movie, which I think is more likely.
The Variety article said that he might use directing JL as leverage to star in a sci-fi movie, which I think is more likely.
SpectreFire
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The new Superman film comes out next year, and that's their big test. If that flops, then the Justice League would be DOA.
Their second test will be the success of the new Batman trilogy. If they can establish those two films correctly, then I can see people going to the Justice League just based on those two characters.
I highly doubt the Justice League will make Avengers money standing on its own. Like everyone said, Avengers had the advantage of those origin films, slowing warming people to those characters while building incredible hype.
Salvor.Hardin
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More people know about Superman, Batman, Flash, and Wonder Woman than they did of Iron Man, Hulk (lol), Hawkeye, Captain America, and Thor.
The great thing about a JLA movie is that it doesn't have to even introduce anyone.
I will however say that The Avengers was exciting because it had the added benefit of being a risky undertaking that involved connecting different movies into one universe, a project that very few believed in, one which was written off because of the associated films, and yet it turned out to be a good movie and a successful one at that.
So while this JLA movie screams of 'me too', if it's a good movie, success will sure to follow.
cutmeamango
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Shoot 2 movies together, the budget will be reduced, skip past origins really quick (no one would care about flash and aquaman's life anyway) and write a decent script.
Even if it ends up a 350 million budget total (which is not much), the fact that it has Batman and Superman together would already pay it easily.
Even if it ends up a 350 million budget total (which is not much), the fact that it has Batman and Superman together would already pay it easily.
:lol, why do you keep saying new Batman trilogy? WB has talked about rebooting Batman eventually but who said anything about another trilogy, especially doing it before Justice League?
I would gone with X-Men or First Class since those were movies that just threw an ensemble of heroes out raw, but Avengers did have IM2, Captain America, Thor and Hulk lead up to it.
themadcowtipper
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Fuck JL,Make Replay. I'm sure they will screw it up by updating it.
SpectreFire
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The Batman in the Justice League won't be Nolan's Batman. That's a given. So they need a new Batman. If they make a new Batman for the Justice League, what's the point of not having him tie into the new Batman trilogy/reboot? The Justice League Batman will almost definitely be the reboot Batman, and following the high of the Nolan series, they would have to put a lot of effort into making him live up to that bar.
Like I said before, Batman is DC's biggest movie franchise right now. Just like Marvel had to build the Avengers around the success of Ironman, DC has to do the same with Batman. Superman might do good next year, but Batman's a known, relevant and more importantly positive product right now, and DC has to use it to leverage the audience for the Justice League.
Speedymanic
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Nah, supes, bats and wonder woman are all well known characters.
They've already done GL (lol), all they need is a Flash movie.
I don't think they need to establish any of the other characters.
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are relatively known entities. They can do some on the fly development of WW and Aquaman..
Green Lantern had a movie just a year ago. They need to reboot, but there is some name brand recognition at least.
Flash is really straightforward. He is a cop that runs fast (assuming they will go with Barry).
The only member of the current line up that would be hard to establish is Cyborg. Just drop him. Martian Manhunter/Zatanna/Green Arrow can all be dropped easily enough too.
If they make this more of a world crisis where the team assembles on the fly and not assembled then it can work as a 1 shot and then give them their own movies.
Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are relatively known entities. They can do some on the fly development of WW and Aquaman..
Green Lantern had a movie just a year ago. They need to reboot, but there is some name brand recognition at least.
Flash is really straightforward. He is a cop that runs fast (assuming they will go with Barry).
The only member of the current line up that would be hard to establish is Cyborg. Just drop him. Martian Manhunter/Zatanna/Green Arrow can all be dropped easily enough too.
If they make this more of a world crisis where the team assembles on the fly and not assembled then it can work as a 1 shot and then give them their own movies.
You are beyond early on this. That is like saying Green Lantern was a planned trilogy but look how that has turned out.
WB and DC need to get Man of Steel to work. They need to have Superman work first before they even consider a JC movie, IMO.
Salvor.Hardin
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They need to go the BTAS route. It mixes the perfect blend of realism and science fiction that I want from a Batman film.
Watching the Man of Steel trailer, I think it's more likely the next Batman movie is as dark and gritty as Nolan's.
Speedymanic
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Batman Beyond is pretty dark and gritty.
HoodWinked
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ben affleck is not a good choice, for directing.
i really like the town and what i've seen for argo. but affleck's good films are ones that are void of special effects.
his worst movies daredevil and Armageddon.
best films Gigli and the town.
i really like the town and what i've seen for argo. but affleck's good films are ones that are void of special effects.
his worst movies daredevil and Armageddon.
best films Gigli and the town.
SpectreFire
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I do agree that Man of Steel is a top priority for them, that's a no brainer, but I do think they have to be thinking of a trilogy for the Batman Reboot. That franchise is too lucrative and successful for them to not think long term. I doubt it'll be marketed as a trilogy, but internally, it will definitely be developed with a trilogy in mind.
It's not so much the grittiness that's the issue but the realism. Superman would completely ruin Nolan's Batman universe.
Sho_Nuff82
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I love Nolan's Batman, but I would love to see a Batman movie that emphasized the crazy kung-fu fighting over the gadgets. Forget realism, I want to see a guy do a backflip off a wall to kick a man in the face, Tony Jaa style.
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