you've not seen an OLED tv then so we can all ignore you
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Watch this on your OLED TV and thank me later. god i love this thing
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nkarafo
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Again, i haven't seen your TV so i can't argue with you.
But i have seen tons of panels over the years and i'm still looking for that holy grail TV that doesn't have ghosting. Especially with locked 60fps material that can't benefit from higher refresh rates.
Also, Black Frame insertion can make the colors darker so it's not like it has no artifacts.
I've seen lots. But feel free to ignore me anyway.you've not seen an OLED tv then so we can all ignore you
Sorry man. Obviously, i'm not talking about static images. I agree that modern panels destroy old CRTs when it comes to image quality. But when it comes to motion, everything changes IMO. There is nothing more annoying than watching the backgrounds of a side scrolling game become a blurred mess every time they move yet remain ultra sharp when still.yeah. Can crt do this? (brag af fuck since why not
Motion quality varies from panel to panel and maybe your's is the one i am looking for my whole life. But so far i haven't seen anything that 100% reaches a CRT in motion clarity. Personally.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
btw - disable HGIG and enable Dynamic Tone Mapping for movies and YT videos (or rather all things on pc without hdr calibration tool).
It will look much better.
On ps5/xbox, HGIG makes much more sense because even some games without any hdr calibration, will use system level calibration. On pc there is no system level calibration. So if a game/movie/yt does not have ANY way to calibrate white point, DTM is better.
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nkarafo
Believe me. OLED is the holy grail. There is no ghosting. Not that eye can see. All ghosting you see, is Your brain/eyes motion blur. Wave a hand in front of your face.
And as I said - there is black frame insertion too if You really need it (I think it's useless).
And I say this as someone who last year replayed Max Payne2, RTCW and many games on a 120hz CRT.
It will look much better.
On ps5/xbox, HGIG makes much more sense because even some games without any hdr calibration, will use system level calibration. On pc there is no system level calibration. So if a game/movie/yt does not have ANY way to calibrate white point, DTM is better.
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nkarafo
Believe me. OLED is the holy grail. There is no ghosting. Not that eye can see. All ghosting you see, is Your brain/eyes motion blur. Wave a hand in front of your face.And as I said - there is black frame insertion too if You really need it (I think it's useless).
And I say this as someone who last year replayed Max Payne2, RTCW and many games on a 120hz CRT.
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your comment was straight up saying CRT is better than OLED now it's "obviously, i'm not talking about static images". yeah CRT has better motion but otherwise OLED destroys it.
nkarafo
Member
Well, since we are in a gaming forum i always assume motion clarity and input lag is more important.
Rikkori
Member
It's gotta be some kind of derangement syndrome. We need a catchy moniker for it.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Wait until you get one. You will be so shocked, you will brag too
T8SC
Gold Member
Panasonic plasma's were the benchmark, no other plasma (or other type of display) surpassed them.
Here's a quote from a review back in the day - the accuracy of the (Panasoni plasma) colour palette was truly a sight to behold, injecting a breathtaking amount of realism into all sorts of material we threw at the television. There’s a sheer vibrance to the colours that’s beyond the reach of any LCD-based displays we’ve tested to date, coming across as natural and authentic yet never overblown or gaudy.
OLED/LCD etc are all over saturated and not as natural looking as a plasma display, even now. Yes they have HDR etc but a well calibrated plasma will still stand strong next to one. My friend has a last gen LG OLED and the difference in black levels is negligible to the human eye, this was always a strong point of plasma displays and one of the main reasons people opted for them. Motion was anothe strong point, the fluidity of a football moving across the screen for example was always leagues above what other displays could manage.
To summarise, we're now 8yrs since the last Panasonic plasma was on the market, and the main difference is due to other tech like HDR & higher resolutions rather than the newer panels themselves. I'm not saying OLED is bad, it'll be what I buy next as it's the spiritual successor to plasma, but show me an 8yr old LCD TV and compare it to the current market, and show me an 8yr old Panasonic plasma and compare it to the current market. I know which will still look good and hold it's own against the newer displays. They've stood the test of time and are still sought after.
Umbasaborne
Banned
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I've had many CRT monitors and I hated that corners where never sharp. Plus they were bulky and very, VERY heavy if you wanted larger sizes. LCDs were razorsharp compared to fuzzy CRTs.
The thing is: every display technology has its weaknesses. CRT has downsides compares to OLED and OLED has downsides compared to CRT. The perfect monitor that has it all hasn't been made yet.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
I had a Panasonic 42PZ80 plasma TV that I bought in 2008. It was a substantial upgrade from my previous Philips LCD tv, but it was lacking in contrast. I believe only Panasonic Kuro plasma TVs were inky black, not the cheaper "regular" plasma tvs Panasonic sold. My LG Oled TV was a substantial upgrade in that respect, but that tv also has its downsides (stutering motion unless you turn on true motion, when watching bit rate starved streams there are often noticeable compression artifacts in dark scenes unless you crush the blacks).
T8SC
Gold Member
You're confusing Panasonic & Pioneer. Pioneer were Kuro, Panasonic were Viera.
Panasonic bought the "Kuro" plasma tech from Pioneer in 2010/2011, so that may be what you mean by "Panasonic Kuro"? Either way, from what I remember, all Panasonic plasma's after 2010/11 incorporated the tech they bought from Pioneer. They were all called Viera though.
Therefore the last few generations of Panasonic Plasma used that tech, such as the GT & VT series. That may explain why your 2008 TV doesn't live upto the legend that is the Panasonic plasma display.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
I think the true motion and other smoothing tech makes the image look like gabage. I can't turn that stuff off fast enough. I still haven't seen a plasma that can do true blacks like an oled can.
T8SC
Gold Member
Thats because even the best plasma was never 100% black. The last generation screens were typically, when calibrated, 0.003 cd/m2. Which as you can see, is pretty close to absolute black, but still, it's not.
A calibrated screen, to the human eye, would be pretty difficult to see the difference between 0.000 cd/m2 (OLED) and 0.003 cd/m2 (Last gen Panasonic plasma).
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Maybe in a room with lights on or windows, but in a fully dark room, 0.003 CD/m2 is very easy to notice.
T8SC
Gold Member
To which nobody sits in. In a realistic world, TV's dont get calibrated and people don't sit in perfectly dark rooms. Therefore, although technology moves on and does get better, the majority of people don't actually make use of it. There are so many people will spend a lot on an OLED TV but then cheap out on the content & use dodgy streams.
Or another example, take the latest camera phones, people who will spend top whack on the latest Galaxy Sxx phone and use the camera with default settings. Tech is great, when used correctly.
kingpotato
Ask me about my Stream Deck
Well I don't know about the light, I have blackout curtains in the room with the set so it basically gets pitch black.To which nobody sits in. In a realistic world, TV's dont get calibrated and people don't sit in perfectly dark rooms. Therefore, although technology moves on and does get better, the majority of people don't actually make use of it. There are so many people will spend a lot on an OLED TV but then cheap out on the content & use dodgy streams.
Or another example, take the latest camera phones, people who will spend top whack on the latest Galaxy Sxx phone and use the camera with default settings. Tech is great, when used correctly.
I definitely agree about calibration, there was another thread a few months ago where someone was complaining about having to adjust video settings and all I could do was roll my eyes.
T8SC
Gold Member
Buy TV.
Leave it on "showroom" settings.
Complain it looks crap and its all overrated.
Rinse & repeat for everyone else who has too much money and not enough brain power to actually setup their shiny new expensive toy.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
How do OLED’s do on sunlight and glare conditions? There is a lot of sunlight on my main gaming room and today I wanted to play for a bit before heading out and I couldn’t since the screen glare bothered me too much.
Represent.
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Does well, not as good as LCD, but OLED shines in the dark.
nillapuddin
Member
I have a C9, how should I watch these
On the built in YT app? Or my Xbox Series X?
On the built in YT app? Or my Xbox Series X?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm looking at an LG C1 48 inch to use as a monitor. Anyone using theirs like this? How are you liking it? Too big? Not enough ppi?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I use it. It's fucking amazing. I am coming from 4k 27" monitor and was worried but ppi is somehow still great
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
How do you find the hdr in pc games? Are you using hgig or dtm?
enjoy your burn in a few months down the line.
i have an OLED tv and it's great but it's not designed to be used as a monitor. PCs have way too many static images on the screen. auto hiding the task bar will help a little but if you are using a web browser you have no chance of preventing it. also, LG tvs have aggressive ASBL which means it will be constantly fucking about with brightness. you better hope that doesnt piss you off. when watching movies/tv shows the ASBL rarely kicks in (usually during long dark scenes) but during desktop usage it will happen A LOT.
just buy a really good 144hz IPS monitor for your PC and leave it at that. maybe the upcoming LG OLED monitors will be good (so that's another reason not to buy an OLED TV) but generally using OLED for PC is huge NOPE.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Hdr in pc games works good. Some games require you to enable it in windows, other automatically.
I move towards hgig in games that have their internal hdr calibration. For movies or games on pc with no hdr settings, dtm is fine.
On PS5 I mostly just use hgig.
No setting can save metro Exodus. It looks terrible in hdr... Maybe it's better on console idk
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Easy with fear mongering.
ABSL ? I never noticed it changing brightness unless I look for it...
Burn in is said to be kinda a myth nowadays. You use wallpaper on rotate or black. Autohide taskbar and Just run SDR desktop usage at 30% oled light (to match 100-120nits) and it prevents/slows down wear a lot.
LG got pixel shifter, logo luminance adjuster and pixel refresher ever 4 hours to help combat burn in too.
I think by the time any burn in shows on my screen, I will want to replace it with new model anyway and it will be years but who knows.
Unless he will be coding hours a day, I would not worry. Just set 1 min blank screensaver.
OmegaSupreme
Any potential risks of burn in are imo worth drawbacks you get for: 120hz, pure black, no ghosting, perfect viewing angles, no bleeding, no glowing, amazing HDR.Check out some of my pictures and more in link below:
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Celcius
°Temp. member
This is my concern - stutter. I watch a lot of anime, movies with camera panning shots, and play 30 fps games.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Just takes up a lot less space on the shelf.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Have had burn in a couple of times. Due to HUD placement and UI of a game. Annoying. But now I make sure to use the pixel refresh function.
Haint
Member
In those years Panasonic's had no AR coatings, middling black levels out of the box, and the black levels rose dramatically with hours of use due to voltage compensation calculation errors. They were the value Plasma brand back then, their performance wasn't really respectable until 2011+. By comparison, the 2008 Pioneer Kuro 5020/6020 had black levels of 0.001fL (12-16x deeper than competing 2008 Panasonic's), which was effectively OLED quality (only a very very dim glow visible in a blacked out environment), and was in many respects better than modern OLED's which crush or overshoot the lowest % stimuli (shadowdetail) to avoid the dark scene artifacts you reference.
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The Pleasure
Member
That's plasma and like crt it's dead.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Unironically, the same as:
How do you know someone is a vegan?
Don't worry, they'll tell you.
OLED TV owners are the vegans of the TV world.
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
Superkamikaze
Member
Certain games are better than others at 30fps on oleds. Games like Spider-Man that have a good implementation of motion blur look great, others like Red Dead 2 can look stuttery. Sample and hold and instant pixel response does that.
Sony oleds have great motion handling, and most of the newer oleds have black frame insertion to help out with motion.
Took some getting used to coming from Kuro plasmas, but oleds are really great. Much prefer them over LCD’s.
Unknown Soldier
Member
I don't want to become a vegan. Meat is delicious.
Just go buy an OLED and try it for yourself.
I also am a gamer and don't want burn-in. LCD is fundamentally better for gamers because of this one critical reason.