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Honestly, with how suspicious, strange and aggressive Scrafty's been since her claim, it's really hard to trust what she's saying. The only thing that's keeping me from just flat out calling her scum is why a scum player would make such an audacious claim in a scenario where they very could well be the last on their team (I personally think that there's probably still 3 left, but that's just me), especially since the player their accusing of being scum has been pretty low profile and hasn't really had any real scum tells. There's only 2 scenarios where I feel this is in anyway a sensible move for scum:
Scenario 1: Karu has some PR that is so game-bending that he pretty much has to die if scum has a snowball's chance in hell of making it out of this
Scenario 2: Karu's a Miller, so his death will seemingly validate Scrafty's claim while still costing town a player.
Scenario 1 just seems to be too absurd to be in any way believable, since I doubt such a game-warping role would only be a in a Bastard game and it would be hella risky if Scrafty was the only scum left, since she'd be dead the minute Karu flips as anything other than scum or Miller, so I have to assume that, if Scrafty is scum, then it's Scenario 2. That raises the question, though, that, since Scrafty or some other scum player would have to be a Role Cop in order to get this info, then why did they target someone as low-profile as Karu, yet, if last night's lynches are anything to go off of, they never targeted our #2 poster Coppa at any point with this ability, since they would have obviously not killed him if they knew about his role. That honestly casts enough doubt on the scenario that I'm willing to believe that Scrafty isn't scum if only just barely. I would still really like to have our motion trackers on Scrafty to vet her claim, just in case...
Scenario 1: Karu has some PR that is so game-bending that he pretty much has to die if scum has a snowball's chance in hell of making it out of this
Scenario 2: Karu's a Miller, so his death will seemingly validate Scrafty's claim while still costing town a player.
Scenario 1 just seems to be too absurd to be in any way believable, since I doubt such a game-warping role would only be a in a Bastard game and it would be hella risky if Scrafty was the only scum left, since she'd be dead the minute Karu flips as anything other than scum or Miller, so I have to assume that, if Scrafty is scum, then it's Scenario 2. That raises the question, though, that, since Scrafty or some other scum player would have to be a Role Cop in order to get this info, then why did they target someone as low-profile as Karu, yet, if last night's lynches are anything to go off of, they never targeted our #2 poster Coppa at any point with this ability, since they would have obviously not killed him if they knew about his role. That honestly casts enough doubt on the scenario that I'm willing to believe that Scrafty isn't scum if only just barely. I would still really like to have our motion trackers on Scrafty to vet her claim, just in case...
I'm just so confused on why Scrafty would have pushed Razmos so deep into the hole if she were scum. On the flip side of that, I have to put some stock into the possibility of scum having a cop role of some type. The only way Coppa's role could be avoided by scum is luck or if someone on scum team could view roles. I feel like it wouldn't just be there as a luck based trap. I also worry because of the obvious parallels this game has had with AC mafia.
We obviously have an alignment cop though because of Razmos' role. Honestly, if there is another alignment cop or another person who wants to claim Carlos, I'm of the opinion that you should just go for it at this point. I think the game is a lot closer to ending that some people expect and with no scum kill tonight, claims will be safe for the day 4 and day 5 phase.
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Well Razmos was the Wolf Cub. Maybe they thought that, with Mazre being a lost cause and Raz being pretty high on people's suspect lists at that point too, that they'd just bus Raz then and there and use the double kill to help make up the deficit? IDK.
Then again, that still begs the question of why they woudn't target someone Coppa with that ability to make sure they're safe. Only explanation I can think of is that they assumed after Seath's role claim that he was the only one with such a role, but I would have still expected them to target him on N1 or N2, especially since you (Sorian) were a known quantity at that point. Did they really put that much weight in the early role claims like TL and Seath that they chose them over Coppa?
Never read that game. Care to elaborate?
I definitely have some reservations about this, since 1) it could be too easy for someone to fake to frame Scrafty and 2) They would probably get roleblocked tonight and killed the next night, which, if they haven't detected any scum yet would basically be wasting their role.
I think it was too early to be just straight bussing the wolf club. Assuming the middle group of 5 scum (including Squidy), there were still 18 people in the game yesterday after Mazre died. We'll take off two neutrals to be generous, that would have been 12 town vs. 4 scum. No way is that mathematically sounds to sacrifice the wolf cub right then.
Are people still taking Seath's role claim seriously? Because I'm still not. Regardless though, sometimes they can't always delay a kill to wait for the cop to investigate. They knew who the doctor was already. Maybe Seath's role claim confused them enough to search him last night while they were killing Coppa. If Scrafty was scum, maybe she, or a teammate, searched Karu night 1 or night 2 and just had this info waiting in the pipe.
As someone who was only perused the AC game, a lot of similarities pop out to me instantly, gossips, a troublemaker that can do a double lynch day, a wolf cub, etc. They had a cop that was scum-aligned so that's stuck in my mind now.
As for your reservations, 1) I would LOVE if scum tried to frame Scrafty, that would end up being a 1:1 trade of town to scum which is always a win for town because if we lynch one and they were telling the truth lie then we are going to lynch the other. 2) That's if you think scum has a roleblocker. I don't because if they did have a blocker then they would have just left Setre alive and kept role blocking him every night until we got suspicious.
In an attempt to garner some discussion since we are trailing off already. I'd like opinions from the following people on the whole Karu vs. Ferret thing right now. If I don't list someone, it is because they have already commented on it. I'm not asking for a vote one way or another, I just want to hear opinions on it. This isn't necessarily me asking about whether you suspect myself or Scrafty or what either of us are doing but more to do with where you stand on who would be better to lynch and who would be better to give to the SK. Sketchiness from myself or Scrafty may play into your answer though, that's fine.
StanleyPalmtree, Karu, Ty4on, Absolut, Seath, gryvan, Royal_Flush
I put Stanley and Karu in there because both just haven't posted today (I don't think Absolut has posted yet either? I've already talked to him about this though but we obviously didn't know that a cop was going to come forward today with scum)
Ty4on has posted this day phase but just hasn't commented on this yet as far as I see.
Seath is distrustful of Scrafty but hasn't actually answered the question I am posing.
gryvan is same as Seath.
Flush listed pros and cons of each side so I almost didn't include him but maybe he has thought on it more.
You can sub in Ferret with anyone else that we may deduce to be scum today, I'm just fairly sure that Ferret is either scum or someone that we have to clear up today. Basically it was my same feeling that I had for Squidy yesterday. Lots of things that trip scummy reads and probably just need to see a role flip at this time to know one way or the other.
StanleyPalmtree, Karu, Ty4on, Absolut, Seath, gryvan, Royal_Flush
I put Stanley and Karu in there because both just haven't posted today (I don't think Absolut has posted yet either? I've already talked to him about this though but we obviously didn't know that a cop was going to come forward today with scum)
Ty4on has posted this day phase but just hasn't commented on this yet as far as I see.
Seath is distrustful of Scrafty but hasn't actually answered the question I am posing.
gryvan is same as Seath.
Flush listed pros and cons of each side so I almost didn't include him but maybe he has thought on it more.
You can sub in Ferret with anyone else that we may deduce to be scum today, I'm just fairly sure that Ferret is either scum or someone that we have to clear up today. Basically it was my same feeling that I had for Squidy yesterday. Lots of things that trip scummy reads and probably just need to see a role flip at this time to know one way or the other.
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Yeah, I'm not to keen on the idea either, but I'm just trying to figure out a reason it would happen at all? Maybe they expected Raz to put up a better defense and come out of it looking clean instead of him cracking and getting turbo'd?
Well I'm just saying that, if he isn't scum, then the scum team should have given it at least a little consideration, right?
But, as I said before, it just seems really weird that they would have investigated someone as low-profile as Karu while seemingly never investigating Coppa on any of the 3 nights.
Points taken.
Doctor and investigator are probably the two biggest thorns in the scum's side that they can probably always assume is in the game (knowing Razmos' role, they basically were confirmed that there was an alignment cop in the game) so let's say there are two cops
I'm not really sold on a Scrafty is scum cop theory yet myself but this is for the sake of conversation
I don't think you are scum Pop, for a lot of the same reason that I don't think Scrafty is scum (+ that whole voting for yourself thing) so I don't think it's weird that Scrafty decided not to investigate you but what I do think is weird is the reason that she gave. It makes no sense to me.
Royal_Flush
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You guys really think scrafty is scum? How in the world would that play make any sense unless they have a super weird role like the one Terra had in GAFia (he could twice per game alter the PN that the gamerunner posted when a certain person dies and thus making a townie seem scum even after the flip for instance), but as this is not a 9 on the bastard scale I highly doubt this.
The only other explanation I have is that Karu is a Miller and scum somehow know this. I really need to hear from Karu himself on this matter. All of these are very vague, I just can't believe Scrafty would do this, especially as he wasn't under pressure at all.
Right now I tend towards letting Karu live and lynch him tomorrow if necessary. And then the day after we lynch our neutral SK.
That would, however, be a reason why Scrafty is so eager to lynch Karu today. Hmmm...
Right now I tend towards letting Karu live and lynch him tomorrow if necessary. And then the day after we lynch our neutral SK.
No, I don't personally think Scrafty is scum, she seems to be getting heat though so I am spitballing with the idea. I could only see it if Karu is a miller like both Pop and now you have said.
I assume that second part of your post is if our SK doesn't kill Karu tonight?
Royal_Flush
Member
Yes. Because then he played you
like a goddamn fiddle (Note: I didn't read MGS but I assume you all are really sick of that phrase by now 
)
)Btw, to everyone (including me): Keep posting! Sorian is every other post now.
Mike_Hawk689
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I really doubt Karu will say anything this day phase.
So far it looks like Karu is gonna live the day phase and die during the night phase (If the SK does target Karu)
Him giving info might fail and end up getting him killed during this day phase.
If he does say nothing, I do believe 2 scum are left one with a power.
Role Blocker? Framer? Cop? Who knows.
With the change of behavior by Scrafty, idk what to say
Maybe she was also a lost partner and recently joined the rank? (during that deathless night)?
So far it looks like Karu is gonna live the day phase and die during the night phase (If the SK does target Karu)
Him giving info might fail and end up getting him killed during this day phase.
If he does say nothing, I do believe 2 scum are left one with a power.
Role Blocker? Framer? Cop? Who knows.
With the change of behavior by Scrafty, idk what to say
Maybe she was also a lost partner and recently joined the rank? (during that deathless night)?
I really doubt Karu will say anything this day phase.
So far it looks like Karu is gonna live the day phase and die during the night phase (If the SK does target Karu)
Him giving info might fail and end up getting him killed during this day phase.
If he does say nothing, I do believe 2 scum are left one with a power.
Role Blocker? Framer? Cop? Who knows.
With the change of behavior by Scrafty, idk what to say
Maybe she was also a lost partner and recently joined the rank? (during that deathless night)?
Based on Mazre's role flip, I doubt that there is more than one lost partner. The wording seems very precise that there was one female to be recruited.
By the way, question for Retro, should I be confused by the fact that Razmos' role PM says nothing about the lost partner?
Mike_Hawk689
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Scrafty being scum and bussing another one by acting as an investigator is still plausible right? Give up a scum who's mainly inactive to add distance between any connection with her and scums?
I mean, yeah, it's a possibility. It seems unlikely though, numbers are one of the most important thing for the scum team and it seems too early to be sacrificing someone even if it does paint a team member in such a good light.
Probably just an error. Razmos was aware.
Mike_Hawk689
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Should we end the day phase earlier since there's not much activity?
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VOTE: Unmasked Ferret
That makes 4. Half way there!
That makes 4. Half way there!
Eh 2 or 3 people haven't even posted yet so I wouldn't really condone ending early yet (or probably at all, given the circumstances).
Unmasked Ferret
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Sorry for not being around today I had finals, I won't be around for the rest of the day due to celebrating finishing my finals and my brother turning 21. I'll try to check in but I make no promises, please don't turbo me in the meantime but I expect no promises from you.
You're fine, if you have something to say then we can always wait. No actual reason to turbo at this juncture.
I appreciate your nightly contributions, I wish they were more than once a day (looking back in time at you darklighter) but at least these are content heavy.
I was reading through and clicking links (because fuck I don't wanna reread peopels post history every NV days...)
But I was thinking a bit and theorizing again.
Since squidgy was the lost partner, scum wouldn't know him but squidgy knows about scum. I WILL assume some of the scum finally knew that squidgy was a lost partner through accusations with razmos like nonstop during last day. SO I believe scum was trying to kick razmos out by following the same accusation and then if its successful, the next night they'd recruit squidgy to replace Razmos.
I believe we should look more closely at the 10 or so people that were locked in during last days votes. cause I tell ya there might be at least 1 scum hiding in it.
and lo and behold we go back to scrafty again
This is karu's post.
As you can see karu mentions that she is leaning scum of scrafty atm. I assume this might have put up pressure on scrafty that scrafty wanted karu to be killed first to leave no evidence behind. But I also believe there might be a PR that karu might have...that we don't know about which might threaten scum during their next night kill.
I will be shocked if ferret did turn out to be scum after that boo_boo incident which led to pointing fingers at ferret at the wrong time lol...
Sorian can I get a quick confirmation with your SK pet that he was responsible for the death of Boo_Boo'n then? If not, then we might have 3 scums maybe?
I am gonna go out on a limb here but if we assume there might be at least 3 scum left(assuming it was a scum that killed boo boo with a day PR. If not, then its 2), I will assume 1 has been added to one of the new people including me of course so take that as you will with a grain of salt.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
howdy everyone, i wasn't able to make my way to a computer yesterday so it seems that i missed out out some of the excitement.
it's a damn shame to lose the good doctor and one of our stronger contributors in one night.
anyhow, now about this whole Karu vs Ferret dilemma.
personally i am inclined to believe Scrafty in her investigations and accusations against Karu, as i dont quite buy any of the reasons for the little lady to be spinning such a tall tale. although thats not to say anyone is else is wrong to doubt her, and pressing her on the details of such an investigation is a mighty smart thing to do.
However i also agree that the hangman can be left waiting for him, for just one more day. sending him on his way to early just feels like we would be robbing ourselves of ample opportunities that would be sorely missed, that and i have trouble believing that a single scoundrels power role could really hurt us so much in a single night.
as for ferret, i can rightly agree with a lot of the suspicion surrounding him right now, but i dont think we should be in such a hurry to turbo him of into the other side just yet, at least not until everyone has had their chance to share their thoughts on the matter.
it's a damn shame to lose the good doctor and one of our stronger contributors in one night.
anyhow, now about this whole Karu vs Ferret dilemma.
personally i am inclined to believe Scrafty in her investigations and accusations against Karu, as i dont quite buy any of the reasons for the little lady to be spinning such a tall tale. although thats not to say anyone is else is wrong to doubt her, and pressing her on the details of such an investigation is a mighty smart thing to do.
However i also agree that the hangman can be left waiting for him, for just one more day. sending him on his way to early just feels like we would be robbing ourselves of ample opportunities that would be sorely missed, that and i have trouble believing that a single scoundrels power role could really hurt us so much in a single night.
as for ferret, i can rightly agree with a lot of the suspicion surrounding him right now, but i dont think we should be in such a hurry to turbo him of into the other side just yet, at least not until everyone has had their chance to share their thoughts on the matter.
So for the less inactive posters,
StanleyPalmTree for example is probably highly town but isn't contributing as much to town so he is completely useless atm (no offense).
Royal_Flush - I do wanna go through all the posts again but I am too tired to read through another huge list inbetween hearthstone posts, trump being an ass, and boob physics posts
TL and mike - has been bandwagoning sorian a lot lately so...I don't know I should look more into these 2 people
Absolutbro - to me I feel is very townish but at this point of the game, mafia is trying to lay very low due to 3 loss from their side. So will not assume he is town
Sorian - He has been helpful to town throughout all the days and have been saved by setre(think he was the doctor?) and has revealed his role. And because scum gossipper was revealed and retro mentioning lana as his intern as well as town gossiper, then yes he sounds like townie
Let me know if i'm forgetting anyone else's reads cause i probably need to go rummage posts again
StanleyPalmTree for example is probably highly town but isn't contributing as much to town so he is completely useless atm (no offense).
Royal_Flush - I do wanna go through all the posts again but I am too tired to read through another huge list inbetween hearthstone posts, trump being an ass, and boob physics posts
TL and mike - has been bandwagoning sorian a lot lately so...I don't know I should look more into these 2 people
Absolutbro - to me I feel is very townish but at this point of the game, mafia is trying to lay very low due to 3 loss from their side. So will not assume he is town
Sorian - He has been helpful to town throughout all the days and have been saved by setre(think he was the doctor?) and has revealed his role. And because scum gossipper was revealed and retro mentioning lana as his intern as well as town gossiper, then yes he sounds like townie
Let me know if i'm forgetting anyone else's reads cause i probably need to go rummage posts again
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It's not very nice to call them a pet, they are helping me and I am helping them. They did confirm with me last night that Boo Boo'n was their doing as well. I asked them why they chose Boo and their reasoning was that Boo kept getting into arguments with people which made him an easy target to take out. The big sticking point was that our SK noticed that Boo edited that post at the end of day 1 after time had been called and they took that as a huge red flag. People had slight scum reads on him so our SK took the chance to see what the flip was.
Mike_Hawk689
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Take me out the summy list, I'm town aligned.
I can prove it but won't do it today cause someone doesn't want me to.
Keep in mind that I am claiming to be Dana and that is Cecil's intern (Retro is roleplaying as Cecil for this game) but in no way is he confirming that I am telling the truth. I am a gossip and I am Dana but I don't want you to have a false impression that Retro somehow confirmed any of those points because that would be false. He did use Dana in some of his flavor though and I playfully added flavor of my own to match.
Oh yeah? Who doesn't want you too? Because I'm pretty sure I'm a participant in all of the town night chats and I haven't seen you around those parts.
Then your telling me we have 2 scum gossippers then and no town gossippers?
cause that sounds highly unlikely to me. I'm assuming gossips are there to spread whos who and stuff. Fireblend and coppa would have been a good choice to be potential gossipers due to their post counts but since they are dead, your the only other one thats constantly posting. Most of which are positives to town rather then misleading. Since you also have a serial killer with you, and have been coordinating with attacks on scum during day phase, I highly highly doubt your scum aligned at this point in the game.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Im just spicing things up hahaha
so i'm assuming your just throwing that as fluff or was that a serious post?
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Super serial
No, I am a gossip and I am town aligned. Mazre was a gossip and he was scum aligned. I'm just saying that Retro has never said anything to confirm or deny me, your post made it sound like he did. Remember, all of these roles are assigned before the game starts, it has nothing to do with being new or a vet or posting a lot or a little, it's all random. Now I do invite people to join me in my chat but that is my decision and mine alone, Mazre also had that power as a gossip.
Mike, if you can prove that you are town then do it, if you are just trying to murky the waters then stop it before you get yourself killed.
ScraftyDevil
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I've already like, cleared Mike as town. He's just being like, a numbskull.
But I don't even like, give a shit who gets voted out today any more. If you all want to like, put an innocent to death while leaving Karu for a third party then like be my guest, so long as you know who to thank once this is all over.
But I don't even like, give a shit who gets voted out today any more. If you all want to like, put an innocent to death while leaving Karu for a third party then like be my guest, so long as you know who to thank once this is all over.
You think Karu is the only scum left?
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Harsh but accurate.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I dunno. Maybe.
I think it's like, more likely that he's the last bad guy left than he and Ferret are both bad guys.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
When you think about it, why would scrafty claim cop/investigator as a scum now if scum is in a really bad situation. Like you said its a numbers game and so far scum are on the verge of losing.
If scrafty is scum:
Either shes bussing karu meaning they are losing 1 more scum thus worse than before for them. If she's framing a townie, then odds are she's gone next day phase as lynch.
I don't see any situation where scruffy wins as scum fake claimimg inves/cop.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Only if you agree we go for karu i dont want bad blood after this
Mike_Hawk689
Member
Im on my way home now, once I'm home I'll show you my little bread crumbs that I left.
I think it's likely there is two scum left with a game of this size and with a neutral killer. Is Ferret the second one? Probably but not for sure.
It only makes sense if Karu is a miller. If he flips as scum then great, if he flips as town then we lynch Scrafty, if he flips as miller, well then we have some thinking to do, we might still lynch Scrafty though. But no, I highly doubt she is scum, it's too improbably for me based on what she has done.
Only if you agree we go for karu i dont want bad blood after this
I'm letting the SK take Karu. Scrafty is probably an alignment cop, Karu is probably scum, and with the definite scum killed by the night killer then our SK will leave the game by meeting their win condition. No scum kill tonight so this is the perfect time for this all to be happening. Unless Karu's PR is that he can detonate a bomb that blows up Night Vale then I highly doubt anything he does tonight does much to us.
Mike_Hawk689
Member
What about the possibility of having two scums right now. One role blocker and one can read your night chat (which is highly unlikely).
They already know who the Sk is, ready to block tonight. Saving karu next day phase. And leaving us with a dead ferret. With still 2 scums left. All hypothetical. You still wouldnt like to kill a scum with no risk of failure right now? Your SK might choke on you and kill his real target. No gentleman agreement can hold in mafia..
They already know who the Sk is, ready to block tonight. Saving karu next day phase. And leaving us with a dead ferret. With still 2 scums left. All hypothetical. You still wouldnt like to kill a scum with no risk of failure right now? Your SK might choke on you and kill his real target. No gentleman agreement can hold in mafia..
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Mike, if you're like, implying what I think you're implying then please just like, end this nonsense right now. I dunno what Sorian's up to but it like, sounds suspiciously like he's trying to buy just one more night.