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Welcome to Night Vale [Mafia] |OT| The Dog Park will not harm you
- Thread starter RetroMG
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Yeah, probably thinking too much into that. If someone just bases their final day vte on RNG then I'm just treating that as them not voting for the day which might as well be a sin.
Speaking of, if I am reading this right, I hope you don't intend to just place your end of day vote just based on an RNG wheel.
Whoa quite a bit to catch up on... sorta. Looks like a lot of it was people worrying about what the opposing team is called. It's weird the role PM simply says we win when no Mafia aligned players remain rather than saying the team's name though. Even weirder that the sample PM doesn't have a win condition in it. If I were guessing, we're up against either StrexCorp or a combination of Desert Bluffs and StrexCorp characters.
I actually listened to Sandstorm today (where both Desert Bluffs and StrexCorp show up!), and they're pretty obviously closely aligned since StrexCorp seems to rule DB. It would give a bigger pool to pick names from. I don't want to read too much into the flavor (as much as I love Chicken Soup), since I don't think getting a name of a character is going to give us too much to go on in terms of what they can do personally.
I see MikeHawk replied! I'll address that since my vote was on him:
Seems reasonable enough, if not a bit opportune. I assume nothing stands out in particular to you yet, since you didn't vote. I have an additional question for you though: If nobody were to show anti-town behavior today, are you still for a Day 1 lynch? I personally am, since I think it gives us more information which is crucial this early on.
As it stands, you're at least aware of the thread and I don't have much more to ask of you right now.
Unvote
I actually listened to Sandstorm today (where both Desert Bluffs and StrexCorp show up!), and they're pretty obviously closely aligned since StrexCorp seems to rule DB. It would give a bigger pool to pick names from. I don't want to read too much into the flavor (as much as I love Chicken Soup), since I don't think getting a name of a character is going to give us too much to go on in terms of what they can do personally.
I see MikeHawk replied! I'll address that since my vote was on him:
Seems reasonable enough, if not a bit opportune. I assume nothing stands out in particular to you yet, since you didn't vote. I have an additional question for you though: If nobody were to show anti-town behavior today, are you still for a Day 1 lynch? I personally am, since I think it gives us more information which is crucial this early on.
As it stands, you're at least aware of the thread and I don't have much more to ask of you right now.
Unvote
Ok, now that I'm a little less busy, I've decided to do this.
VOTE: Unmasked Ferret[/highlight
This is 100% a "bandwagon" vote. It was either you or Scrafty and she'd probably murder me if I swung anything on her again this soon so I'll play ball with you for right now. I want to see what you're like under pressure.
VOTE: Unmasked Ferret[/highlight
This is 100% a "bandwagon" vote. It was either you or Scrafty and she'd probably murder me if I swung anything on her again this soon so I'll play ball with you for right now. I want to see what you're like under pressure.
I noticed a few others mentioning the wheel so I gave it a shot. I'm not committed to voting based on the result of that. I just haven't developed any reads yet. We're still early in, and I'm still digesting some of the previous conversation. Just posting some of my thoughts as I'm sorting through stuff.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Howdy neighbors!
That bolt a lightning sure did screw up my noggin something fierce, so if i don't be recalling y'all names or identities or anything else for that matter, i hope y'all understand that i don't mean nothing by it.
Also don't be minding the obtuse growth on my left clavicle, im sure it wont be involved in any sudden surprise's later down the line.
Though i do have a puke bucket on hand if you do find it to be making you as nauseous as it does me.
That bolt a lightning sure did screw up my noggin something fierce, so if i don't be recalling y'all names or identities or anything else for that matter, i hope y'all understand that i don't mean nothing by it.
Also don't be minding the obtuse growth on my left clavicle, im sure it wont be involved in any sudden surprise's later down the line.
Though i do have a puke bucket on hand if you do find it to be making you as nauseous as it does me.
I'm guessing that the role PMs are written in standard Mafia/Town language so no one is confused as to who is a bad guy and who is a good guy.
Unmasked Ferret
Member
Hi Sorian, what kind of ball would you like to play? Basketball, Tennis, Bowling Racquetball, Billiards, Foosball, Bocce, Croquet, or Calvinball?
Thanks for explaining why you put that vote there.
AbsolutBro
Member
This post will be a flavorless apology since I'm somewhat behind. The whole "the secret police are looking for a fugitive" bit is directly from one of the episodes (8 or 9 I think? I was listening to it while I was driving home today), so I wouldn't read too much into it.
I also dislike somewhat the plethora of random wheel votes. Votes absolutely should be used to push people into posting, but a dozen people casting random votes doesn't actually do much. Someone with a single random vote is unlikely to say much in "defense", because what can you really say? "No, wheel of fate is lying!" As someone earlier in the thread said, a single post on a person is generally not a big deal this early.
That's not to say early discussion isn't key, it is. Seeing who and how people bandwagon or dogpile can certainly be useful information; we don't really get that if everyone clicks *spin*.
This post is probably crankier sounding than I mean it to be, but I'm exhausted so hopefully I can be more helpful tomorrow.
I also dislike somewhat the plethora of random wheel votes. Votes absolutely should be used to push people into posting, but a dozen people casting random votes doesn't actually do much. Someone with a single random vote is unlikely to say much in "defense", because what can you really say? "No, wheel of fate is lying!" As someone earlier in the thread said, a single post on a person is generally not a big deal this early.
That's not to say early discussion isn't key, it is. Seeing who and how people bandwagon or dogpile can certainly be useful information; we don't really get that if everyone clicks *spin*.
This post is probably crankier sounding than I mean it to be, but I'm exhausted so hopefully I can be more helpful tomorrow.
Nothing inherently wrong with an RNG vote, all I'm saying is that your final vote of the day should be grounded in something you actually believe in, not just waved away on randomness. Until then, you can vote however you please, votes aren't limited.
Cthulhu Scrafty, is that you?
Just want to see how things look for you if things start to become bleak. And don't worry, I'm not one for a random vote, I usually always have an explanation or reason.
I agree with this. RNG vote is good to have something out there early but we really need to move away from that as we start to head out of the beginning art of this first day phase.
I'm going to sleep, but before I leave I'm gonna switch my vote.
UNVOTE
RNG vote doesn't make much sense anymore, and Coppa has been fairly active so there's nothing to gain from having my vote still with him.
VOTE: Mike_Hawk689
I don't ask for much, just make sure to add some more thoughts on the proceedings so far.
Also, not that I disagree with having a good reason behind your vote, specially as we move forward with this day, but in general I believe having an active vote at all times is a good idea. Hesitating to having an active vote, specially when it's unlikely to be of any real impact, can be suspicious, IMO. It's unlikely "suspicious activity" will arise on its own, after all. You gotta prod.
UNVOTE
RNG vote doesn't make much sense anymore, and Coppa has been fairly active so there's nothing to gain from having my vote still with him.
VOTE: Mike_Hawk689
I don't ask for much, just make sure to add some more thoughts on the proceedings so far.
Also, not that I disagree with having a good reason behind your vote, specially as we move forward with this day, but in general I believe having an active vote at all times is a good idea. Hesitating to having an active vote, specially when it's unlikely to be of any real impact, can be suspicious, IMO. It's unlikely "suspicious activity" will arise on its own, after all. You gotta prod.
Vote count is always available from this post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185354756&postcount=4
I didn't realize that it updates. Thanks!
Oh... it was edited to include it. I haven't read the first posts since the thread opened.
A new man came into town today. Who is he? What does he want from us? Why his perfect and beautiful haircut? Why his perfect and beautiful coat? He says he is a scientist. Well, we have all been scientists and one point or another in our lives. But why now? Why here? And just what does he plan to do with all those breakers and humming electrical instruments in that lab he is renting—the one next to Big Rico's Pizza?
No one does a slice like Big Rico.
No one.
Current votecount
ty4on (0)
sorian 132 (218)
coppanuva (1)
fireblend 135
coppanuva 137 (187)
darklighter (1)
scraftydevil 136
sorian (1)
gryvan 140
fireblend (1)
setre 142
sorian 218 (256)
seath (1)
tl21xx 147
trigger (1)
razmos 155
unmasked ferret (3)
boo boo'n 169
squidyj 170
sorian 256
royal_flush (1)
unmasked ferret 172
roytheone (0)
pop-o-matic 174 (182)
scraftydevil (2)
pop-o-matic 182
karu 149
mike_hawk689 (0)
coppanuva 200 (254)
No one does a slice like Big Rico.
No one.
Current votecount
ty4on (0)
coppanuva (1)
fireblend 135
darklighter (1)
scraftydevil 136
sorian (1)
gryvan 140
fireblend (1)
setre 142
seath (1)
tl21xx 147
trigger (1)
razmos 155
unmasked ferret (3)
boo boo'n 169
squidyj 170
sorian 256
royal_flush (1)
unmasked ferret 172
roytheone (0)
scraftydevil (2)
pop-o-matic 182
karu 149
mike_hawk689 (0)
I'm in complete agreement with Sorian, AbsoluteBro, and Fireblend, it's time to be more guarded with votes. I'm down for shifting my vote after I see some more posting from Seath. The day is young, but I like to know who I'm throwing under the bus before I decide if it was a good idea or not.
Look, retro, I know you really wanted me to be in your game, but I'm not. I think it is time for you to face that fact instead of pretending I am in your game
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Look, retro, I know you really wanted me to be in your game, but I'm not. I think it is time for you to face that fact instead of pretending I am in your game
its cuz u kids keep messing about in places you shouldn't be messing about in
RESPECT THE HIGHLIGHT AND THE VOTE COMMAND, CHILDREN
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ノ彡┻━┻I'm definitely not going to stick with my RNG vote, but it is better than nothing until something actually starts happening and I find someone to be suspicious of. I'd rather throw out a random vote (which pretty much everyone does on the first day anyway, not sure why it's a problem) than be accused of sitting on the fence and not voting at all, it's also better for me to vote now than to leave it until the last minute.
This is a bit outdated. I unvoted Coppa and voted for Mike before I went to sleep. Did some hooded figure disagree with my switch?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Unmasked Ferret (3)
Boo Boo'n
squidyj
Sorian
ScraftyDevil (2)
Karu
Pop-O-Matic
Royal_Flush (1)
Unmasked Ferret
Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Coppanuva
Fireblend
Darklighter (1)
ScraftyDevil
Seath (1)
TL21xx
Trigger (1)
Razmos
Sorian (1)
gryvan
Fireblend (1)
Setre
Sorian
Coppanuva (0)
Fireblend
Coppanuva
Ty4on (0)
Sorian
No active vote for Day 1:
AbsolutBro
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
Darklighter
Mazre
Mike_Hawk689
Royal_Flush
Seath
StanleyPalmtree
Trigger
Ty4on
UltraJay
Day 1 ends:
12 votes for majority
Unmasked Ferret (3)
Boo Boo'n
squidyj
Sorian
ScraftyDevil (2)
Karu
Pop-O-Matic
Royal_Flush (1)
Unmasked Ferret
Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Fireblend
Darklighter (1)
ScraftyDevil
Seath (1)
TL21xx
Trigger (1)
Razmos
Sorian (1)
gryvan
Fireblend (1)
Setre
Coppanuva (0)
Ty4on (0)
No active vote for Day 1:
AbsolutBro
Coppanuva (has previously voted)
Darklighter
Mazre
Mike_Hawk689
Royal_Flush
Seath
StanleyPalmtree
Trigger
Ty4on
UltraJay
Day 1 ends:
12 votes for majority
Some of us have moved on from the wheel. My vote, for example, is where I want it to be.
Just got back from work and it doesn't look like much has happened. It seems like most of the action is gonna happen during mornings and afternoons for me. I don't think I'll be able to stay up for the voting craziness at the end of the day phase though.
I'll just pop my cherry with a little bandwagoning:
Vote: unmasked ferret
Not seeing anything anything strange about their posts however. Not that there really would be anything at this stage.
I'll just pop my cherry with a little bandwagoning:
Vote: unmasked ferret
Not seeing anything anything strange about their posts however. Not that there really would be anything at this stage.
More specifically, I'm curious why you haven't voted any yet, or talked more.
Usually bandwagoning without real reason is looked down on (by me at least) but I'm currently doing it too and I welcome this added bit of pressure on an otherwise slow day so far, let's see where it goes.
That being said, I did want to do a quick census of things.
Darklighter seems to be the only person who has not posted (actually hasn't posted in the thread at all, even before day start). This might be worth a pressure vote but I wouldn't recommend voting this type of player out completely, if they don't post they will get replaced and no reason to kill off a role that we know nothing about.
Otherwise, my own personal list of low activity folks (this is a mixture of off the top of my head and some searches, the 30 second search cool down is getting on my nerves so I didn't do all 23 people).
StanleyPalmtree, Trigger, Boo Boo'n, Karu, Pop-O-Matic, Mike_Hawk, Seath, Setre, and gryvan are all people who have said pretty much nothing or very little with Stanley and Seath being examples of posters who haven't even commented on the game at all, instead just making a flavor post and being on their way.
Pop-O-Matic and Mike_Hawk are known to be low activity posters to me so I don't find their behavior so far out of the ordinary but they are all the more dangerous because the less they post the less feel anyone can get for when they are actually scum (probably why Mike lasted so long in Archer). Otherwise, the rest of these are new faces to me so I don't know if they are uninterested in the game (newbies), shy, or just trying to stay in the background.
I will note that people like TL21xx and AbsolutBro also have low post count in the thread but they have commented on all current events and have given real opinions on the game and how we should be handling things (though no votes yet which is always an issue, only an RNG vote from TL21 and nothing from Absolut).
Just thought I would get the ball rolling on inactivity discussion since now we are close to 24 hours in so all timezones have had a stray moment here and there to at least poke in.
That being said, I did want to do a quick census of things.
Darklighter seems to be the only person who has not posted (actually hasn't posted in the thread at all, even before day start). This might be worth a pressure vote but I wouldn't recommend voting this type of player out completely, if they don't post they will get replaced and no reason to kill off a role that we know nothing about.
Otherwise, my own personal list of low activity folks (this is a mixture of off the top of my head and some searches, the 30 second search cool down is getting on my nerves so I didn't do all 23 people).
StanleyPalmtree, Trigger, Boo Boo'n, Karu, Pop-O-Matic, Mike_Hawk, Seath, Setre, and gryvan are all people who have said pretty much nothing or very little with Stanley and Seath being examples of posters who haven't even commented on the game at all, instead just making a flavor post and being on their way.
Pop-O-Matic and Mike_Hawk are known to be low activity posters to me so I don't find their behavior so far out of the ordinary but they are all the more dangerous because the less they post the less feel anyone can get for when they are actually scum (probably why Mike lasted so long in Archer). Otherwise, the rest of these are new faces to me so I don't know if they are uninterested in the game (newbies), shy, or just trying to stay in the background.
I will note that people like TL21xx and AbsolutBro also have low post count in the thread but they have commented on all current events and have given real opinions on the game and how we should be handling things (though no votes yet which is always an issue, only an RNG vote from TL21 and nothing from Absolut).
Just thought I would get the ball rolling on inactivity discussion since now we are close to 24 hours in so all timezones have had a stray moment here and there to at least poke in.
Royal_Flush
Member
Interesting that I'm not on that list despite having only two posts since day start (one of them was tech support for Coppa). I just don't like D1, it's always so awkward. I guess my activity will go up once substantial things emerge, or on later days where I actually have stuff to work with.
Am I just imagining things because I was scum in GAFia Mafia or is Sorian less aggressive than ususal?
Meh, you were at the bottom of the list and like I said, I was getting annoyed trying to post search all 23 players. Off the top of my head, I thought you had posted more substantial things than you did but you're right, you've been a non-presence as well.
I'd love to be aggressive but no one is doing anything. I'm baiting same as I always do but no one is jumping at anything.
Fake edit as new post: Also 96 hour day phases are a little bit different. I don't need to bulldog rush right when it starts since we have so much discussion time. Even in Cthulhu, I didn't have to really start hounding people down until about halfway through the day phase. People were more responsive to my votes in that game though :/
Yeah, lynching completely inactive players doesn't make much sense if we know they're getting replaced after a while. The truly damaging sort of player is the one that posts just enough to not be up for replacement.
As of right now I doubt I could name more than ~8 out of the 20+ players in this game. We need more activity maybe we should have taken Retro's bait and started discussing a potential tanner.
Also Retro where's my weather report =|
He's probably still spent from beelining for Splinter in MGS
As of right now I doubt I could name more than ~8 out of the 20+ players in this game. We need more activity
maybe we should have taken Retro's bait and started discussing a potential tanner.Also Retro where's my weather report =|
He's probably still spent from beelining for Splinter in MGS
I was thinking of changing my vote to Darklighter with cuppa but you're right... there's still three days for him to respond. I mean, he should have sent confirmations to both the start of game prod PM as well as a confirm on his role PM. He should be aware that the game is on.
Knowing Mike's history as being a low posting scum from an earlier game makes me think he may be problematic. If whoever we bandwagon on has a valuable role they can claim it near the end to save them of course... but then that makes them a target. Either way it could be bad.
In the game that had the doctor killed on day 1... did they role claim but still get lynched?
Are we certain about the tanner? Didn't Retro wave that off as flavor? Should we be suspicious of that (being quick to dismiss or cover up a potential hint)? It's only the first 24 hours of Day 1 after all.
Knowing Mike's history as being a low posting scum from an earlier game makes me think he may be problematic. If whoever we bandwagon on has a valuable role they can claim it near the end to save them of course... but then that makes them a target. Either way it could be bad.
In the game that had the doctor killed on day 1... did they role claim but still get lynched?
Are we certain about the tanner? Didn't Retro wave that off as flavor? Should we be suspicious of that (being quick to dismiss or cover up a potential hint)? It's only the first 24 hours of Day 1 after all.
I agree, but I also feel we're still not halfway through the day phase yet. I'm content with what others are doing to pressure other people, and I want to avoid us having any unknowns if we can help it. If it came down to it right now I wouldn't lynch DarkLighter because we know literally nothing about him (and he'd end up getting replaced). However, it's not anywhere near time where my vote has to be finalized, so it stays there for now in hopes that he participates. At worst, my vote sat on someone who's a non-target for a few hours, at BEST we get one more person participating and remove the list of unknowns.
Also about the not being able to name more than ~8, I agree. I keep looking through the list and being surprised at who is in the game. I could just be used to the faster day phases from GAFia and MGS though.
Our doctors usually die during night 1 so nothing we can really avoid there, just bad luck
I died as a pseudo-doctor in the Gafia game on day 1 but it wasn't by vote, someone (Royal_Flush, the bastard ) had one secret day kill which he used on me because my reads were too stronk /flex and the doctor died by vote day 1 of archer but I don't think he actually claimed? Someone can correct me, I didn't pay full attention to the beginning of Archer game.I highly doubt there is a tanner in the game, pretty sure Retro was joking. I'm sure a Tanner will happen one day in a Gafia game but our community frowns on it as a general rule.
Also, keep in mind, forcing pressure on one person and them being something really important and having to claim on day 1 isn't the end of the world (unless it's the doctor, of course). Sure, having an outed investigator day 1 would kind of suck but there are benefits. We have a doctor, we've never had a mafia game without a doctor so I know it's there and they would then have a great target to protect each night. In the example of an investigator, they also have no fear of reporting their results each day because they are outed.
That's why I prefer to keep the role claims as minimal as possible but am still a proponent of heavy pressure. Assuming no bad luck, we probably aren't going to pressure the doctor and otherwise, if we only end up with one big role claim, we aren't hurting ourselves.
That's why I prefer to keep the role claims as minimal as possible but am still a proponent of heavy pressure. Assuming no bad luck, we probably aren't going to pressure the doctor and otherwise, if we only end up with one big role claim, we aren't hurting ourselves.
Also, yes, I know that our scum teams have had switchers lately which can kind of negate a doctor if they know who to target but that switcher would then be susceptible to a watcher so scum might not always jump at that opportunity because being caught by a watcher so early on can be crippling for scum.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Like, oh my gawd, Darklighter still hasn't shown up! What if he wins the prize but doesn't isn't like, here to collect it? That wouldn't seem very fair. It would like, be a real shame though.
And like, speaking of fair-it, I wanna get a speech from Unmasked Ferret! He's in the lead, so that must be, like, totally hype!
And like, speaking of fair-it, I wanna get a speech from Unmasked Ferret! He's in the lead, so that must be, like, totally hype!
Our doctors usually die during night 1 so nothing we can really avoid there, just bad luck
I highly doubt there is a tanner in the game, pretty sure Retro was joking. I'm sure a Tanner will happen one day in a Gafia game but our community frowns on it as a general rule.
There has never been a tanner? They're fun in One Night Ultimate Werewolf. I guess it's weird in longer, bigger forum Mafia games.
ALSO
What in the hell?
Darklighter has been a member since 2013, with a nice Biggs X-Wing avatar... with ONE post! ONE!
In the recruitment thread. WIth a stated low activity level, of course.
Am I missing something here? Do posts get deleted somehow? Man... and I thought I was the junior...
I was looking for his other posts to have something to go on but... damn...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/member.php?u=262341
That is his entire GAF history. That is all we have to go on to establish his personality. What can I gleam from this? He doesn't like to capitalize and he's up for anything. I'm just flabbergasted to see such low activity across ALL of GAF. He'll always be a junior at that rate. Probably only uses it for subscriptions and night mode.
I'm calling it. He's getting replaced. Let's not lynch him. Who's first on the waiting list?
It's too early in the broadcast for the Weather.
That new scientist we now know is named Carlos called a town meeting. He has a square jaw and teeth like a military cemetery. His hair is perfect, and we all hate and despair and love that perfect hair in equal measure. Old Woman Josie brought corn muffins, which were decent, but lacked salt. She said the angels had taken her salt for a godly mission, and she hadn't yet gotten around to buying more. Carlos told us that we are, by far, the most scientifically interesting community in the US, and he had come to study just what is going around here. He grinned, and everything about him was perfect, and I fell in love instantly.
Government agents from a vague, yet menacing, agency were in the back watching.
I fear for Carlos.
I fear for Night Vale.
I fear for anyone caught between what they know and what they don't yet know that they don't know.
And now, Traffic.
I love Tanners in ONUW but yeah, I can see why we deviate away from them in these big games, they become a useless diversion for awhile.
As for Darklighter, that's actually pretty funny. I wouldn't really look up site wide posts to get an idea of how people are because I think a lot of people speak and act differently during mafia games but that's actually hilarious that his one post ever on GAF was to sign up for this. Well, hopefully he plays, but if not, I'm really not worried about it. Someone new comes in and can play with the role during day 2 if that's the case and a mulligan for one player on day 1 isn't the end of the world.
This happened during Cthulhu and the guy actually ended up being scum so fingers crossed for that not happening again
Hey Retro, can you confirm if Darklighter actually responded to your pm about the roles? Before D1 started didn't you say there were like... 2 or 3 people who hadn't responded? Was he one of them?
Either way, I don't think this pressure vote is going to do anything at all if the guy just never posts period. Time to move it to its new home given these revelations (I really should've looked at that but eh), I'll join up with TlX on Seath. I still want more people talking to help remove the unknowns. And I don't like his lack of substance posting right now.
Vote: Seath
What's your opinion on what we should do at day's end? Are you in the lynch someone for sure camp? Only lynch if someone is scummy? I'm not sure your play style, I want to know it.
Either way, I don't think this pressure vote is going to do anything at all if the guy just never posts period. Time to move it to its new home given these revelations (I really should've looked at that but eh), I'll join up with TlX on Seath. I still want more people talking to help remove the unknowns. And I don't like his lack of substance posting right now.
Vote: Seath
What's your opinion on what we should do at day's end? Are you in the lynch someone for sure camp? Only lynch if someone is scummy? I'm not sure your play style, I want to know it.
I love Tanners in ONUW but yeah, I can see why we deviate away from them in these big games, they become a useless diversion for awhile.
As for Darklighter, that's actually pretty funny. I wouldn't really look up site wide posts to get an idea of how people are because I think a lot of people speak and act differently during mafia games but that's actually hilarious that his one post ever on GAF was to sign up for this. Well, hopefully he plays, but if not, I'm really not worried about it. Someone new comes in and can play with the role during day 2 if that's the case and a mulligan for one player on day 1 isn't the end of the world.This happened during Cthulhu and the guy actually ended up being scum so fingers crossed for that not happening again
I was desperate for SOMETHING to go on. Anything. Was about to PM prod him myself but... he would have responded to the PMs, right Retro?
Maybe we should just lynch them and hedge our bets? I mean... what are the chances they are the doctor or a member of the mayor's secret police?
Pretty good, I'd say.