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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?
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See NightvaleAlso, why the aversion to RNG votes, Splinter? Specially in a game with ~30 players where randomized votes would never get anywhere near majority...
They make D1 a boring waste of time. If you want to vote for someone, back it up with literally anything or it's pointless. RNG votes floating around just lets people vote anywhere without consequence, and some of these "random" votes inevitably make it through to end of day. If anyone goes all day without making a "real" vote I want them (and everyone else) to be aware of it
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
You didn't want any RNG votes, but I always vote in my first post, therefore, if I am going to vote without RNG, it would be on the one who requested no RNG.Could you elaborate on this?
CornBurrito
Member
I just don't see Xam, as a newbie scum, seeing a claim out of the gate and immediately copying it. The only way that works in my headbrain is if he is a scum sleepwalker, but even then it would be ballsy to claim right away.
That's honestly another reason why I think both being town is most likely.
Septimus Prime
Member
The thing is, Xam doesn't need to believe it at all. "Oh yeah. You almost posted the words from our role PM." There's no way to verify this for anyone but ultron, but if ultron knows it's a lie, he'd have to expose that he was lying in order to put forth that information to the rest of us. And this being the case, Xam doesn't need to know the contents of ultron's role PM to make that claim; he just has to trust that either ultron is telling the truth and is certainly referring to his role PM or that ultron is lying but is not dumb enough to lie and expose himself at the same time.You don't think it would require a bit of absurd luck for Ultron to false claim a role and happen to have the role be in the game on town side? And for him to use wording such that the town sleepwalker absolutely believes the false claim?
CornBurrito
Member
The thing is, Xam doesn't need to believe it at all. "Oh yeah. You almost posted the words from our role PM." There's no way to verify this for anyone but ultron, but if ultron knows it's a lie, he'd have to expose that he was lying in order to put forth that information to the rest of us. And this being the case, Xam doesn't need to know the contents of ultron's role PM to make that claim; he just has to trust that either ultron is telling the truth and is certainly referring to his role PM or that ultron is lying but is not dumb enough to lie and expose himself at the same time.
Yes, which is why I said if one of them is scum it is Xam. Not Ultron.
Darryl has been awfully quiet on this day...
I already posted that I wasn't comfortable with Ultron's role claim. I didn't like the ease he did it with
Suppose one of them is a wolf who is not a sleepwalker--or even is, I guess, since I'm not sure it makes a difference either way--but fake claimed the role so that a tracker would zero onto him to verify his claim while his wolf buddy moves around.
If this is the case, though, I'd be inclined to say that Xam is more likely than ultron to do this, since he played that bit about ultron posting the words from his role PM.
I mean sure, I'm not saying they're town for sure, but even what you said still feels a bit too contrived to me to act on it somehow now. You might be on the right track with the PM bit though.
See Nightvale
They make D1 a boring waste of time. If you want to vote for someone, back it up with literally anything or it's pointless. RNG votes floating around just lets people vote anywhere without consequence, and some of these "random" votes inevitably make it through to end of day. If anyone goes all day without making a "real" vote I want them (and everyone else) to be aware of it
I don't really agree with you about it making for boring days or being an easy shield for justifying having votes all over the place. If they are used as a shield, even those initial votes are telling - asking people to have a vote on someone is a form of pressure too, and even in NV people got called out for having their RNG vote too long. I'm not too bothered about it, but I do find your aversion towards it curious.
Also, the verdict's still out on NV and I was a player, so we shouldn't comment about it.
See Nightvale
They make D1 a boring waste of time. If you want to vote for someone, back it up with literally anything or it's pointless. RNG votes floating around just lets people vote anywhere without consequence, and some of these "random" votes inevitably make it through to end of day. If anyone goes all day without making a "real" vote I want them (and everyone else) to be aware of it
Yea I'm always against that. It isn't fun either. I'd rather people toss me for being quiet than just cuz
CrimsonFist
Member
For the record I didn't quote anything. That would've been cheating according to rule I'm not going to look up the number. I paraphrased.
It was indeed quite easy for Xam to hop on board the sleep walker train and be like "yeah I read those things too!".
But Xam claimed that it was the "exact same thing." His claim makes less sense if the wording was significantly different, considering the comment about the role list.
Eh, figured as much. Wondered if you had some super pro-town reason to support RNG voting.You didn't want any RNG votes, but I always vote in my first post, therefore, if I am going to vote without RNG, it would be on the one who requested no RNG.
I guess I don't find this particularly suspicious, just not very helpful
Darryl I don't need you to answer this post now, but can you explain why you didn't respond to it at all earlier?Darryl
What are your thoughts as to how to play today? Anything planned?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
But Xam claimed that it was the "exact same thing." His claim makes less sense if the wording was significantly different, considering the comment about the role list.
ultron said nothing that couldn't be assumed about a generic Sleepwalker role. I could have made the same claim without any specific knowledge. There's not a whole lot we can read into the specific wording he used.
CrimsonFist
Member
ultron said nothing that couldn't be assumed about a generic Sleepwalker role. I could have made the same claim without any specific knowledge. There's not a whole lot we can read into the specific wording he used.
That was more targeted at Xam than Ultron. I believe Ultron's claim.
I think it makes perfect sense for village-aligned sleepwalkers to claim right away if they are telling the truth. I don't know if it makes sense for them both to be telling the truth though.
Sleepwalkers effect trackers and watchers... having 2 sleepwalkers in the game seems like the host is hating on trackers and watchers. These claims may be an indication that mafia has relatively few members and relatively numerous abilities.
All of that said I doubt either of the claims are wolves. That seems too risky in a 30 player game.
Sleepwalkers effect trackers and watchers... having 2 sleepwalkers in the game seems like the host is hating on trackers and watchers. These claims may be an indication that mafia has relatively few members and relatively numerous abilities.
All of that said I doubt either of the claims are wolves. That seems too risky in a 30 player game.
I don't know if this is where we'll end up or not, but I strongly dislike this strategy. We should be hunting for scum, not making excuses to lynch likely power roles.My gut tells me, unless another target presents itself, that I'd be okay with testing one of our claimed sleepwalkers today.
Not referencing any game in particular, but I think the biggest waste of a D1 is having everyone unanimously agree to lynch someone that most agree is probably town anyway. It confirms what you already suspected and gives almost as little info as a no lynch (and at least a no lynch probably has an argument around it).
In this case, the only upside is that we (might) waste less time on the sleepwalkers going forward, but I'd hope we can move on from that anyway. The only way I see it being a lie is if Ultron planned the whole thing and told Xam to play along (WDiotL had two sleepwalkers right? One of them was Palmer even, and Ultron was also in that game). That's a heck of a gambit for at least a third of the scum team to make on the first day.
(It's also possible that they have opposite alignments, but "testing" one would only mislead us in that case)
I trust the claims, and will judge the alignments of the players separately.
Darryl I don't need you to answer this post now, but can you explain why you didn't respond to it at all earlier?
I mean I don't have an answer for that and I wanted to post about Ultron. I didn't want blind acceptance of any confusion roles. I felt it in my bones that someone would try to bullshit one of those
Risky for whom or in what sense? What would you expect in a 30 player game?(...)
All of that said I doubt either of the claims are wolves. That seems too risky in a 30 player game.
CrimsonFist
Member
Risky for whom or in what sense? What would you expect in a 30 player game?
It draws attention. Pretty much the entire conversation has been about Ultron and Xam so far. It wouldn't be a good idea for scum to do such a thing, especially with so many players to hide amongst.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Why on earth do we have two role claims?
it's just such a strange move from ultron, he's a veteran.
I don't know Xam well enough yet. So I'm not sure what kind of confirmation to read this as.
At this point, I'm not comfortable voting for either. I can think of just as many town aligned reasons to keep those two alive for a day as I can for scum to fake the role claim day 1.
it's just such a strange move from ultron, he's a veteran.
I don't know Xam well enough yet. So I'm not sure what kind of confirmation to read this as.
At this point, I'm not comfortable voting for either. I can think of just as many town aligned reasons to keep those two alive for a day as I can for scum to fake the role claim day 1.
[To Darryl, who I forgot to quote]
Now I'll admit my opening question was vague enough to be useless, but as a simple attempt to start the conversation phase (skipping the fluff and RNG phases) I'm surprised you'd make no attempt to play along. Especially since what we got instead was so half hearted:
Ok, so more questions;
Why bats?
Do you still think Ultron is lying? If so, why is he lying? What about Xam?
What do you think of Rats' idea to "test" one of these claims?
Now I'll admit my opening question was vague enough to be useless, but as a simple attempt to start the conversation phase (skipping the fluff and RNG phases) I'm surprised you'd make no attempt to play along. Especially since what we got instead was so half hearted:
This was your first post after my question, an easy agreement that we probably have an SKYea to speed up the game, no doubt
And then you ask a slightly odd question (to bats, for some reason) and call Ultron a liar (without further comment or questioning).Do we think a game as large as this would have a town cop or mafia cop? What do you think bats?
My gut reaction is that Ultron is lying
Ok, so more questions;
Why bats?
Do you still think Ultron is lying? If so, why is he lying? What about Xam?
What do you think of Rats' idea to "test" one of these claims?
Risky for whom or in what sense? What would you expect in a 30 player game?
Seems risky for wolves in the sense that it draws a lot of attention, unnecessarily, to the claimers very early. Its probably not smart to expect anything in a 30 player game but I've never seen 2 sleepwalkers in one game, like I said, that's a lot of hate toward watchers and trackers.
I missed this post. Probably a joke though?Give me deputy
Anything in particular to make you say this? It seems quite early to have any sort of read on someoneNot that it is worth much, but Cabot isn't striking me as scum this game like he did last game.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Sheriff think long and hard about who you deputize, because as soon as we deputize a wolf we will be in deep shit.
CrimsonFist
Member
Sheriff think long and hard about who you deputize, because as soon as we deputize a wolf we will be in deep shit.
Not necessarily. Unless there's another killing role, the wolves essentially get to pick when to let the deputy become sheriff, so anyone in that role when the sheriff is killed should naturally be placed under suspicion.
Of course, they could also use that fact to get us to suspect a villager as well, but it would still be a risky play to let a wolf become sheriff, so I don't think we need to worry too much about it happening.
Howdy, folks. I'm Boo Boo'n and what I enjoy the most outside of being a person is putting my fellow man in the hot seat with loaded questions.
I've only been skimming the first instances of the day seen in the last few threads, but my suspicions lie only a couple of people so far.
Cabot
-- Seems like a showboat, and the agressive push on Splinter which is supposedly justified is something to consider.
Sorian
-- In a second life I probably would've had a beer with this guy. Probably in a nice town called Dusk Veil or something. But for now, there's something peculiar about his previous posts that rub me in the wrong way.
But that's all I got for now. I'm making stuffing!
I've only been skimming the first instances of the day seen in the last few threads, but my suspicions lie only a couple of people so far.
Cabot
-- Seems like a showboat, and the agressive push on Splinter which is supposedly justified is something to consider.
Sorian
-- In a second life I probably would've had a beer with this guy. Probably in a nice town called Dusk Veil or something. But for now, there's something peculiar about his previous posts that rub me in the wrong way.
But that's all I got for now. I'm making stuffing!
Hi, I'm a random town sleepwalker. I visit someone at random each night but it doesn't do anything and I don't even get to know who I visited. So it just throws off investigative roles. I'm sorry.
It could seem mighty suspicious if you went to someone's house, and that someone was also visited by a killing role the same night, and that someone died.
Additionally, I also am a Sleepwalker. Somnambulism FTW
I'm not gonna take these seriously. Could be a RUSE!!! by the scum to throw us off of our game. Target painting on the first day is very :demonic:
Zippedpinhead
Member
Not necessarily. Unless there's another killing role, the wolves essentially get to pick when to let the deputy become sheriff, so anyone in that role when the sheriff is killed should naturally be placed under suspicion.
Of course, they could also use that fact to get us to suspect a villager as well, but it would still be a risky play to let a wolf become sheriff, so I don't think we need to worry too much about it happening.
That's exactly it, double votes is a huge deal, no question about it. Even two days with a wolf as sheriff could wreck havoc on our game, especially down the home stretch.
My comment was more he needs to think about it a lot, and a "we need to be suspicious of everyone asking for it". I'm getting lots of Star Wars armourer vibes and in that game the only person who ended up with a gun was scum
CornBurrito
Member
Anything in particular to make you say this? It seems quite early to have any sort of read on someone
Gut feeling alone. I correctly pinged him as scum in the previous game. I'm not getting that feeling so either he consciously adjusted or isn't scum. Or my gut isn't striking right twice. It's not like he's above suspicion.
Also I think Darryl is scum. He's acting wayyyy different. It's jarring.
I don't think anyone's suggested it yet...
What do people think about Drop deputizing the first sleepwalker claim (ultron)?
Can we be confident a wolf wouldn't take a huge risk and fake claim so early?
Could the sleepwalker claims be a gambit by the wolves to get an early deputy?
What do people think about Drop deputizing the first sleepwalker claim (ultron)?
Can we be confident a wolf wouldn't take a huge risk and fake claim so early?
Could the sleepwalker claims be a gambit by the wolves to get an early deputy?
That's exactly it, double votes is a huge deal, no question about it. Even two days with a wolf as sheriff could wreck havoc on our game, especially down the home stretch.
My comment was more he needs to think about it a lot, and a "we need to be suspicious of everyone asking for it". I'm getting lots of Star Wars armourer vibes and in that game the only person who ended up with a gun was scum
I definitely agree about it, simply because I don't see a particular valid reason for someone to want it if they're town, unless they have a very bad opinion of my judgement.
Of course that would completely change once I'm gone, since you wouldn't be sure of the alignment of the person that gets it.
Not necessarily. Unless there's another killing role, the wolves essentially get to pick when to let the deputy become sheriff, so anyone in that role when the sheriff is killed should naturally be placed under suspicion.
Of course, they could also use that fact to get us to suspect a villager as well, but it would still be a risky play to let a wolf become sheriff, so I don't think we need to worry too much about it happening.
The change I talked about above is the reason I don't think we should immediately suspect the first deputy to take my place.
I think it's going to be in the best interest of the wolves to get rid of me soon, regardless of the alignment of the deputy.
I think once that inevitable change of setting happens, town would have good reasons to suspect the first Sheriff to survive a night.
But I'm talking too much right now, I think this is my last post for tonight.
CornBurrito
Member
Can someone explain this deputy thing to me?
Also is Fluxwave in this game? Dudes been dead silent.
Also is Fluxwave in this game? Dudes been dead silent.
Seems like that wasn't the last one after all.
Maybe, No and Yes.
Especially the third one, most have been saying that they tend to believe Ultron and/or Xam on the basis that that would be too much of a risky move for the wolves for little gain,
so, that might be the answer to "why would they take such a big risk?"
I don't think anyone's suggested it yet...
What do people think about Drop deputizing the first sleepwalker claim (ultron)?
Can we be confident a wolf wouldn't take a huge risk and fake claim so early?
Could the sleepwalker claims be a gambit by the wolves to get an early deputy?
Maybe, No and Yes.
Especially the third one, most have been saying that they tend to believe Ultron and/or Xam on the basis that that would be too much of a risky move for the wolves for little gain,
so, that might be the answer to "why would they take such a big risk?"
CornBurrito
Member
Oh how did I miss that post. Fuck that's dangerous for town.
CornBurrito
Member
So wait... What happens when Sherrif dies and Deputy becomes Sherrif? Then that new Sherrif has to deputize someone?
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I don't think we should have a say in who get's deputy on day one, Drop should decide by himself, as he's the only one he can truly trust at this stage.I don't think anyone's suggested it yet...
What do people think about Drop deputizing the first sleepwalker claim (ultron)?
Can we be confident a wolf wouldn't take a huge risk and fake claim so early?
Could the sleepwalker claims be a gambit by the wolves to get an early deputy?
Also, there is no reason ANY day one role claim should get priority for deputy.
So wait... What happens when Sherrif dies and Deputy becomes Sherrif? Then that new Sherrif has to deputize someone?
Yes, they get the benefit of the double vote and have to deputize someone.
Gut feeling alone. I correctly pinged him as scum in the previous game. I'm not getting that feeling so either he consciously adjusted or isn't scum. Or my gut isn't striking right twice. It's not like he's above suspicion.
Also I think Darryl is scum. He's acting wayyyy different. It's jarring.
You're scum
Yes, they get the benefit of the double vote and have to deputize someone.
Just give it to me we all know you're gonna fuck up and give it to mafia if you make your own decision anyways
I don't think we should have a say in who get's deputy on day one, Drop should decide by himself, as he's the only one he can truly trust at this stage.
Also, there is no reason ANY day one role claim should get priority for deputy.
Scum #2
GreatLord Tiger
Member
Did you mean someone else? Sorian isn't in this game.Sorian
-- In a second life I probably would've had a beer with this guy. Probably in a nice town called Dusk Veil or something. But for now, there's something peculiar about his previous posts that rub me in the wrong way.
GreatLord Tiger
Member
I see now that it was a joke.
Xamtheking
Member
Can someone explain this deputy thing to me?
Also is Fluxwave in this game? Dudes been dead silent.
Yeah, Flux has been invisible
Maybe scum?
You don't think it would require a bit of absurd luck for Ultron to false claim a role and happen to have the role be in the game on town side? And for him to use wording such that the town sleepwalker absolutely believes the false claim?
Well, he claimed to be a standard sleepwalker, so to Xam it would seem like they had the same PM. Anyway, not sure if I personally want to go down this route since I do actually believe they are both town (as do you it seems).
I think it makes perfect sense for village-aligned sleepwalkers to claim right away if they are telling the truth. I don't know if it makes sense for them both to be telling the truth though.
Sleepwalkers effect trackers and watchers... having 2 sleepwalkers in the game seems like the host is hating on trackers and watchers. These claims may be an indication that mafia has relatively few members and relatively numerous abilities.
All of that said I doubt either of the claims are wolves. That seems too risky in a 30 player game.
Bolded: I think I'm missing something, why do you say that?
Give me deputy
Splinter, I totally hadn't noticed this, thanks.
Darryl, fight me.
Honestly, I expected a little push back from Drop after I asked to be deputized.
Sorian
-- In a second life I probably would've had a beer with this guy. Probably in a nice town called Dusk Veil or something. But for now, there's something peculiar about his previous posts that rub me in the wrong way.
Wait...Sorian isn't in this game...Which early posts are you referring to?
I don't think anyone's suggested it yet...
What do people think about Drop deputizing the first sleepwalker claim (ultron)?
Can we be confident a wolf wouldn't take a huge risk and fake claim so early?
Could the sleepwalker claims be a gambit by the wolves to get an early deputy?
1. Not a bad idea.
2. No, which is why we should wait and see how this day pans out. I still think they're probably both town? But I notice that Ultron hasn't answered my question about what he thought of Xam's claim, but there's plenty of time still.
3. Ooooo that hadn't occurred to me...But why claim sleepwalker in that case, and why two claims? They could have also claimed miller (that's another role that's recommended to claim early, right?). Also, they'd have to make sure that they kill Drop tonight (as someone else in this thread suggested). But what guarantee do they have that he won't be protected? He is the only confirmed town right now, with a cool power too.
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Regarding being deputized, I think the double vote power is crucial in the final stages of the game, especially if the wolves have it. But is it really so important in D1? It could be. But we are 29 players and we each have a vote. Right now we (probably) vastly outnumber the wolves, so I'm not sure if there is a huge advantage to the double vote right now. Someone correct me if I'm thinking about this incorrectly?
CrimsonFist
Member
Yeah, Flux has been invisible
Maybe scum?
Might just have not noticed that we started, seeing as the time was brought forward.
Regarding being deputized, I think the double vote power is crucial in the final stages of the game, especially if the wolves have it. But is it really so important in D1? It could be. But we are 29 players and we each have a vote. Right now we (probably) vastly outnumber the wolves, so I'm not sure if there is a huge advantage to the double vote right now. Someone correct me if I'm thinking about this incorrectly?
That was my thinking when I made my last post. I get that it will be a much bigger deal later on though.
Xamtheking
Member
Good pointMight just have not noticed that we started, seeing as the time was brought forward.
Sheriff think long and hard about who you deputize, because as soon as we deputize a wolf we will be in deep shit.
Meh, the chances Drop picks a townie on D1 are pretty high. I would agree with this advice later on in the game, but hopefully by then we will have a better idea of who to trust or not.
Not necessarily. Unless there's another killing role, the wolves essentially get to pick when to let the deputy become sheriff, so anyone in that role when the sheriff is killed should naturally be placed under suspicion.
Of course, they could also use that fact to get us to suspect a villager as well, but it would still be a risky play to let a wolf become sheriff, so I don't think we need to worry too much about it happening.
I think I agree with this. Only thing is, Drop has to deputize someone every day. It doesn't have to be the same person over and over. So if a wolf accidentally gets deputized today, he/she won't have any power unless they kill Drop, in which case, as you said, there would be a lot of suspicion on said person.
CornBurrito
Member
Yes, they get the benefit of the double vote and have to deputize someone.
So we could get very fucked over by it.