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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Aww shit GAF, take it to the bank. It is over.
Yeah, I firmly believe we're seeing two different time periods in this series.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Aww shit GAF, take it to the bank. It is over.
Yeah I had gotten off the two timelines theory, but between new girl being revealed as the board rep instead of William and Logan and now seeing this...fuck
Considering they are literally 3D Printed human beings with better brains...I agree.
Everything was pointing to it. But yeah, I didn't even catch that part. Glad there is more evidence.
bigboss370
Member
I hope we didn't just see Maeve getting true artificial intelligence...
All it took was a butcher dialing it up to 20.
It is not going to be this easy. We got god knows how many more seasons.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Well, obviously they're not perfectly 1:1, otherwise they'd be a major anachronism. They're presented in a way that's supposed to be faithful to reality, but that's also at home in a park modeled after the late 1800s.
Someone told me they went from planned 4 to 7? Or maybe that was something else lol.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Westworld has always been 5.
I thought they all already had it, what they don't have is free will. I mean, the capabilities are clearly there, they just need to break free from their programming. What with the reveries and the improv being a big part of them.
SuperStiltzkin
Member
Sure, but we usually get contextual clues that the characters exist in the same time and acknowledge each other's existence.
Logan meeting MiB isn't really an important confrontation that needs to be saved for the season's climax. I'm not asking for a showdown here. Showing them walk past the cell where Logan is sitting would have been enough to put the theory to bed. Yet they're not even in the same town as him because of a convenient detour.
Frank the Great
Banned
Yeah two timelines is basically confirmed. I still think William=MiB would be silly.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Yup. It was so wicked seeing him there.
shira
Member
But think about it from a storytelling perspective. If they are showing two time periods, what would be the main purpose of anchoring the past time period to William and Logan if they are unimportant to the grand scheme of things?
Mighty Chin
Banned
All I know is if there is two timelines my father will call me all confused asking me to explain it.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
Yup, was pretty cool.
Here's the screen (posted by Makai) for those who missed it:
(edit: beaten lol)
And here's the source of the prop used for it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plaJGj3oq8Y
30 years is a long time though. They said he was the rancher for 10 years, and a sheriff before that, and the cult leader before that. And that was all within the time Bernard was working at Westworld. Presumably he wasn't around 30 years ago, or he would have at least heard of Arnold. Also, he doesn't look that old. Unless he is really a host, then ignore everything I said!!!!
Yup I'll be getting that call from my mother. Her and my stepdad were confused by episode one. Episode one!
Curt Baboon
Member
TheHollowNight
Member
i don't get why so many people seem to like William. He's such a wet blanket, easily forgotten about without his inclusion in this episode. Hoping he actually does become the MiB so we can see him progress into something watchable.
Bernard didn't say that, Elsie did. If she's only been there a few years, it would definitely seem like he's been there forever if he's been there for 15+ years.
No she said that she remembered that he's been there forever and if he wanted to sell them out he would have done it years ago.
Nah, the movie era is the same as William's.
exmachina64
Banned
Aww shit GAF, take it to the bank. It is over.
Aw yiss.
SwiftDeath
Member
While it is very nice to see the movie get referenced and easter egged, even maybe added to the show's cannon somewhat. It is highly unlikely that the events of the movie really play much into the history of the park in the show.
Movie Spoilers:
I.E. the references to the movie were probably just easter eggs and little to none of the history/cannon is going to actually be based on those events so the movie events aren't really in Williams time or any time of the show for that matter.
Movie Spoilers:
The last half of the movie is the brutal and systematic murder of the newcomers/guests by the hosts with maybe 1 or 2 guests surviving. No park, no matter how awesome, would survive killing off literally hundreds of the wealthiest people in the world
I.E. the references to the movie were probably just easter eggs and little to none of the history/cannon is going to actually be based on those events so the movie events aren't really in Williams time or any time of the show for that matter.
Jurassic Park. I rest my case.
ElRenoRaven
Member
Well you could handle that in a couple ways. 1. They replaced the dead with hosts. 2. They paid a fuck ton of money to families to keep it under wraps. The sequel to West World while awful actually used the 1 for it's plot. They were replacing people with bots in order to get power within governments.
badboy78660
Member
If all it took was swiping that characteristic/trait up on the tablet screen, why the fuck didn't those simps just quickly swipe down, thus taking her intellect to derp levels? I mean it's quite clear she's pretty wily ('cause she's already a "14"). Irked me a bit.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I've been saying that the robots effectively already are sapient and are just being controlled through a series of mental blockages and suppression effects.
I'm trying to figure out how much of what we see of her sentence construction process on the tablet is grounded in what an actual "scripted" system would look like and how much it seems to actually reflect some kind of cognitive process. I'm not fully up on theory about how humans go about sentence construction
The most important part is that the hosts absolutely seem to have grasps of both abstract and concrete concepts that they are able to recognize and manipulate. If their ability to make connections is something they can "scale up" (this isn't as outrageous as it sounds...maybe. The brain is super fucking weird) I can see Maeve achieving "intelligence" very rapidly and entirely organically without it being unbelievable.
I'm trying to figure out how much of what we see of her sentence construction process on the tablet is grounded in what an actual "scripted" system would look like and how much it seems to actually reflect some kind of cognitive process. I'm not fully up on theory about how humans go about sentence construction
The most important part is that the hosts absolutely seem to have grasps of both abstract and concrete concepts that they are able to recognize and manipulate. If their ability to make connections is something they can "scale up" (this isn't as outrageous as it sounds...maybe. The brain is super fucking weird) I can see Maeve achieving "intelligence" very rapidly and entirely organically without it being unbelievable.
SwiftDeath
Member
Like a dozen people died that no one would miss? I mean the kids were cute I guess but who in that group had high powered lawyers just waiting to sue?
In the WW movie:
You'd literally have the top 2 dozens law firms in the world tear WestWorld down brick by brick for the next 20 years with how many wealthy people were there
More movie spoilers:
The whole Management and operations staff of westworld died too, either to the hosts or to lack of oxygen (god that was a stupid twist, imagine Ford, Bernard and Theresa all dying to being stuck in an airtight room) so 1 seems impossible not to mention the fact that someone would notice once the lack of memories starts becoming obvious. Westworld functions by catering to the super rich, I highly doubt they could pay enough hush money to shut those families up as they could complain, seek civil and criminal charges and still get paid. I like the power within governments idea but that would be quiet, systematic. One or two newcomers getting replaced at a time, not like the movies mass murder spree. Hell maybe that is Delos plan hmm
FlashbladeGAF
Member
She's already been messed with by someone with higher clearance(Arnold).
Even if they brought it down, who's to say it wouldn't reset the next time she shows up on the table like everything else they supposedly "fixed".
Sweet!
Robot Pants
Member
Was Maeve at the Marquis when William and Logan were there? Do we ever see them on screen at the same time? Or has it only been Clementine?
Because they said Maeve had only been at the Marquis for about a year.
I guess she was in the "Indians come and scalp me" storyline at this time
Because they said Maeve had only been at the Marquis for about a year.
I guess she was in the "Indians come and scalp me" storyline at this time
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
The deaths included one low level worker (basically an industrial accident), 3 high-level employees, and InGen's lawyer. 5 deaths, one of which was likely stilly fully covered up decades later, one of which is a responsible party, none of which were guests, and all of this was a year before the park was even ready to be opened. Not exactly comparable. And even then it took like 20 years to get the park back on track.
Aww shit GAF, take it to the bank. It is over.
Welp
Checked the scenes. No 1 hooker was there but not Maeve.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
How about this guy's law firm?
Assuming the Lost World deleted scenes are canon (which I do), they paid his family a $36.5 million wrongful death settlement.
"The future of humanity"?? Set your sights higher my dude. What about peace, love, and understanding?
Robot Pants
Member
Just saw that sequence laid out on reddit, definitely seems very suspect. http://imgur.com/gallery/0MJUS
Things are getting interesting outside the park, and they used the old logo again when in the legacy system.
She was pretty hot on Raising Hope
I need more of this timeline.