MiamiWesker
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The Minotaur of the maze
How many forms do you think Wyatt will have?
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How many forms do you think Wyatt will have?
Mr_Antimatter
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if all the 'butchers' were all hosts. The...routine violence and bloodshed would be hard to stomach for normal people. Would explain why they stick with her, instead of running to management the second shes back in the park and they are safe.
and i'm wagering the other killed girl, who is only on 'vacation' is the new host being built. Why though, is the question? Maybe ford wants another behavioral specialist in his pocket for some reason?
and i'm wagering the other killed girl, who is only on 'vacation' is the new host being built. Why though, is the question? Maybe ford wants another behavioral specialist in his pocket for some reason?
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Maybe Ford's new narrative involves the park staff.
Butchers are hosts. Ford has gone full "I AM A GOD" mode and he's gonna suck the Delos employees into a sci-fi robot uprising narrative. With real death. He got tired of writing stories set in the west and wanted a change.
Mwahahahaha
Butchers are hosts. Ford has gone full "I AM A GOD" mode and he's gonna suck the Delos employees into a sci-fi robot uprising narrative. With real death. He got tired of writing stories set in the west and wanted a change.
Mwahahahaha
bunbun777
Member
So assuming she's not on Ford's side, she has to know that after banging Hector she needs to throw a towel over him or something. I'm convinced that the shoddy programming of Clem only really convinced Teresa. At the very least it allowed Ford the pretext to now wrestle more control away from QA and allows himself to continue with plans. Like if Hale's main interest is positioning Ford away from the park she did a pretty bad job of it.
sems4arsenal
Member
hope not and they do a reverse flip, but so far there seems to a lot of evidence to support it. Being married and having trouble with his wife and being surprised the blonde host was not retired yet.
The whole Dolores part has be confused as hell
Yeh, working in a mass murder facility would break you. The shower scenes are chilling enough.
elrechazado
Banned
If they are, why give them back stories where they are able to get emotional and be inefficient because if things like fear of losing their jobs, ambitions for promotion, etc. Just make mindless repair bots at that point, which clearly they aren't. I wish the bad writing didn't make this kind of speculation so necessary.
Fluffhead14
Member
I just took it as a flashback to before the park opened when they were testing all the hosts.
Now why the town was buried in William/Dolores' time is a question, sure.
Do we know how long after the park opened that William/Logan's trip is supposed to be?
Teletraan1
Banned
If the butchers are hosts it seems crazy to have some of them sodomize the other "dead" hosts but it could all be just a construct to keep them in line. We have something on you so do as I say type thing. I really can't wait till the end of this season to see if things actually get explained.
More_Badass
Member
That actually makes a lot of sense. The mental trauma of both needing to treat these indistinguishable-from-human beings like furniture and needing to clean, manipulate, lobotomize, etc. them on a daily basis for years would be huge
Static Veins
Member
After reading this thread I went into watching this week's episode expecting the worst hour of television devised by mankind.
Nope, still think the show is as great as ever. The Maeve storyline has a few questionable moments, but at least they at least somewhat tried to answer that this week by having Sylvester actively try and decommission her but Felix has too many feelings for the hosts (as previously shown by his work on the broken bird) to let that happen.
Nope, still think the show is as great as ever. The Maeve storyline has a few questionable moments, but at least they at least somewhat tried to answer that this week by having Sylvester actively try and decommission her but Felix has too many feelings for the hosts (as previously shown by his work on the broken bird) to let that happen.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I dunno, they could all be sociopaths like the Man in Black and doing all this doesn't bother them long as they get paid and they get to fuck dead hosts...
Nasty.
More_Badass
Member
But this episode basically showed that the MIB isn't a sociopath, and those actions/quest for the maze was only a recent development and possibly a form of coping with the death of his wife
elrechazado
Banned
Yeah, but why would you "need something to keep in line" hosts you have complete control over? The necroperv butcher is just another example. At best, butchers as hosts would have a standard loop like park hosts - do your job, rinse, repeat. Why would they make them do crazy stuff like bang other hosts, go into vr with hot redheads, and program birds in their free time?
Unless of course they are all Ford slaves like Bernard and they're meant to fool delos and internal staff.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
I didn't get that impression... I mean, his wife and daughter were terrified of him even though he never did anything, and then to prove to himself what he's really like, he murdered Maeve and her daughter, and felt nothing towards them.
Seems like a sociopath thing to do.
andythinkpad
Member
Ford gets tired of making "Westworld 2", "Westworld 3", "Westworld: Reach" and wants out,
drhankmccoyphd
Member
Another bright spot of this last episode which stuck out to me: we got a lot of exposition from Ford when he's talking to Bernardbot. Ford essentially comes out as a nihilist(?) in so far as he believes consciousness is an illusion, whether it is a bunch of chemical impulses in the human brain or a set of bits in a host's memory. Either way, to him they are meaningless and can and should be altered at his behest. This makes Ford way more believable as a villain if that really is his philosophy.
TimeEffect
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No but we've seen lots of hosts get blown up in his presence, havent we?
This scene is scary because it suggests something that the show hasn't delivered on largely.
How can a show so understand and misunderstand what makes sci-fi great?
elrechazado
Banned
It's also a direct quote where MiB says he opened one up in the past.
Who cares, when Teddy says that he's talking like he owns this world, he says "not just this one". OMG! #RomeWorldConfirmed #MedievalWorldConfirmed #WesterosWorldConfirmed
He's just a high level raid. What's there not to get? Lol.
Ford shot down by Al Swearengen in the series finale.
arts&crafts
Member
I took it as he "owns" the real world as he is a billionaire ("titan of industry" as he put it).
Sort of like Elon Musk lets say.
Of all the things nagging me, this is one is at the bottom of the list. After she called Ford, Elsie looked hunkered down in front of that computer. Different mood, pose, etc., like someone spending the night studying. It seemed quite clear to me some time had elapsed after her phone call and she had gone anywhere from 15 minutes to upwards of an hour poring over the information on that remote terminal.
So...after that talk Ford gave about discovering what you can be, his ideas amount to beefed up baddies? Doesn't work for me.
NotTheGuyYouKill
Member
Ford is Old Man Western Kojima.
elrechazado
Banned
He's just like every game dev - innovation = more HP.
The beefed up baddies are just a brute force barrier, window dressing for the larger purpose of the narrative. Like, MGS2 is respected as a visionary take on information control and social media influencing society, but at the same time, you still have a part where you blow up a ton of Metal Gear Rays with a rocket launcher in a shooting gallery arena.
I still think it's a good show. If it drops the nonsensical plots that stretch our suspension of disbelief and reins in the frenetic flash forwards/backwards, it could enter into the realm of greatness.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Bullet sponges aren't just a problem in Destiny!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DamageSpongeBoss
Won't be a problem once Ed Harris unleashes Chekhov's wall-penetrating shotgun-underbarreled revolver.
It is to make sure you cannot find it by chance. You have to fight for it. You have to be worth it.
I think the reception of this week's episode compared to last week's makes sense if you consider it parallel to the "Human" Protagonist Bernard's (and surrogate Elsie's) storyline. The audience identifies with Bernard and last week we/he hit a climatic high. This week was us/Bernard picking up the pieces to find our place/purpose/reality/etc.
Basically, I thought it was a lower impact episode, but I feel like it made sense why. Looking forward to the last two!
Basically, I thought it was a lower impact episode, but I feel like it made sense why. Looking forward to the last two!
drhankmccoyphd
Member
Are there only ten episodes this season? Ugggggh.
wesleyshark
Banned
Sadly, yes. But at least the finale is extra long.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
So no ones taking me up on the MiB is the Board Director line? Or maybe I'm just too late to the theory game heh
Robot Pants
Member
Ugh. I can.
The direction in episode one was so bad
PrivateWHudson
Member
Just to get this straight:
-35+..Alpha | Old Bill
-34....Beta | Hot Girl with umbrella, Dolores, Church above ground, Arnold dies
-30....Hot Girl at welcome center, Dolores + William, Church buried, EVENT
-1......MIB, Maeve + Daughter
0.......MIB quest, Hot Girl is bait, Maeve + Butchers, Church buried --> excavation started
The only thing that gets me, is the church steeple in -30 looks closer to the condition it was in at 0 than -34. Looked like way too much damage for 4 years, unless maybe there was a fire or something, but it didn't look burned. Did it? Also, why bury the whole valley and not bring in one more truck of dirt to put a little mound over the steeple, or knock it down first?
-35+..Alpha | Old Bill
-34....Beta | Hot Girl with umbrella, Dolores, Church above ground, Arnold dies
-30....Hot Girl at welcome center, Dolores + William, Church buried, EVENT
-1......MIB, Maeve + Daughter
0.......MIB quest, Hot Girl is bait, Maeve + Butchers, Church buried --> excavation started
The only thing that gets me, is the church steeple in -30 looks closer to the condition it was in at 0 than -34. Looked like way too much damage for 4 years, unless maybe there was a fire or something, but it didn't look burned. Did it? Also, why bury the whole valley and not bring in one more truck of dirt to put a little mound over the steeple, or knock it down first?
shira
Member
I thought this was obvious. If she's trying to use a bot to sneak stuff out, you want the one that doesn't look like a decomposing zombie.
I personally think all of the people sculpting and building out hosts are hosts themselves. The work looks incredibly boring and tedious. Every one of them we saw looked very single-minded in their task and it may explain why none of them pay attention when Felix is giving Maeve the tour. We already had the blonde host working the floor as a tour guide so it's not farfetched to have them doing much more boring work like sculpting noses and eyebrows, dressing the hosts, teaching them basic movement, etc.
I keep thinking about how significant that scene will be as the story unfolds. Looks like
Gen 1 Dolores
wesleyshark
Banned
Damn I thought it was great. Cinematic.
DorkLord54
Member
Where's "Westworld: MiB", with it's gloomy noir atmosphere/soundtrack and Nathan Fillion?
And yeah, last night's episode was more of a clunker than any of the robots. Maeve's plot continues to be the worst of the pile, and Harris and Hopkins continue to carry the show.