They changed the logo in post. Why would they do that if it wasn't important?
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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They changed the logo in post. Why would they do that if it wasn't important?
Checked out the new episode, I won't engage in spoiler talk and theories for another day so everyone can see it.
Theres some stuff in this episode that supports some theories, and some stuff that throws a cog into one or two, good episode for advancing the plot and developing certain characters.
Theres some stuff in this episode that supports some theories, and some stuff that throws a cog into one or two, good episode for advancing the plot and developing certain characters.
Saw this last night but never gave impressions. I thought young Hopkins was really cool. Interesting to see the old Westworld labs as well. I felt like most of this episode was plot advancing and it felt really expository. Wasn't the best episode shown so far but it certainly fast-tracks the plot to new places. Interested to see where the Arnold subplot goes. I still think William's story is taking place in a prior timeline, but I think we'll find out definitively in the next couple of episodes whether or not that's false. Interested in the cultist hosts who Teddy couldn't kill. They do mention Wyatt's men not feeling pain, so they could just be programmed to disregard damage until killed. I wonder what Teddy's final death count will be by the end of this show.
One final note, Elsie mentioned the hosts having 'anchors' that keep them grounded in their world and it feels like a similar concept to the constants in LOST and how they help a person remember a separate timeline in their life.
One final note, Elsie mentioned the hosts having 'anchors' that keep them grounded in their world and it feels like a similar concept to the constants in LOST and how they help a person remember a separate timeline in their life.
I just don't see why there can't be an old logo in the entrance area of the park.
For example, you occassionally still see the original disney world logo on promo material, merchandise, events in the park, and I bet you can even find it stamped in some places in the park if you look for it.
More_Badass
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You know...we didn't actually see Teddy "die". He was surrounded and taken down, but we don't see him killed. They probably keep him alive because of his history with Wyatt
Cloud Strife
Member
Dang, I had a theory
that Ed Harris was is the 30 year later Jimmi Simpson. Guess not, since Delores had a weird glitch and remembered Ed Harris in the barn. Unless it wasn't remembering and the AI's operate outside of time and causality which would be too fucked to comprehend.
You don't know that they changed it in post, they may have just slapped the new logo on the thumbnail because thats the logo they are using to market the show in real life, and it wouldn't show up as well in the thumbnail.
If they did change it in post its likely a red herring designed to get people to speculate. Logically the end of ep 3 should have ended that speculation, but I guess not.
Very cool, I'm a big fan of the style of the LeMat. I don't actually know anything about guns, but there's just something about a revolver that can fire like a shotgun with an alt-fire.
I just don't see why there can't be an old logo in the entrance area of the park.
For example, you occassionally still see the original disney world logo on promo material, merchandise, events in the park, and I bet you can even find it stamped in some places in the park if you look for it.
If your argument is "because Disneyland", then it is a poor one. The show has only shown the old logo when dealing with old parts of the park. Plus they actually changed the logo in post production based on that thumbnail of ep.2. But it's totally just old logos and the show is going out of its way to be misleading about this aspect right?
I'm not positive about any theory but your constant downplaying is amusing.
It's a red herring or a production gaff where they filmed the scene with the old logo and then realized for the thumbnail that was the wrong logo and slapped the new one in the thumbnail. Or legit they just like having more than one logo around, as in who cares if there is more than one logo on the sets. It might even be the old logo was going to be the main logo but then their marketing team wanted a different one for using in promo materials and they didn't refilm scenes after the logo change. It might actually be the old logo in real life lol.
The end of this episode pretty much confirms its the same timeline. There's a chance its not but I think it would make no sense and just confuse anyone who is watching the show somewhat casually. The william scenes don't seem like flashbacks because they aren't. It's a pretty big leap to make based on a logo and the end of this episode confirms to me anyway it isn't some kind of flashback and is concurrent with the the Delores Bernard timeline.
And people holding onto the timeline theory are completely downplaying the end of ep 3. I'm not saying there isn't a chance its still an alt timeline but I think it's highly unlikely, and people keep saying "the logos" are pretty much conclusive that it's a different timeline. Im saying they aren't really conclusive of anything based on the above.
Also, Talulah Riley was in an actual flashback scene from ep 3 learning how to dance, and the same actress/host greats william in a completely different role, so this also points at least to william likely not being mib. Doesn't rule out a different timeline but adds to the growing pile of evidence it isn't. This also means that host is nearly as old as Delores if the entrance area is the same timeline as Bernard Delores timeline. This could also point to an alt timeline though lol, as it would appear she would be one of the oldest hosts in the park, although it's very difficult to say if it was just sort of a cameo/ or if not all of the hosts who were learning to be hosts were activated for service in the park at the same time. Or if the entrance area is considered "the park" or not. Lol there is a lot to think about with this show.
Also delores and mib scene in scene ep 1 essentially would mean Delores has had the exact same role for very long period of time because she is playing the same role with william down to the can dropping, which I find doubtful.
Maintenance
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Loving the show, didn't expect the reactions to the last episode to be this bad.
The best parts of the show are the theories, haters gonna hate.
The best parts of the show are the theories, haters gonna hate.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
In t he first episode, the line the security guy says to Bernard about not having any kids at home is extra heavy now that we know Bernard did have a kid, but he died.
Yeah, I think security guy doesn't know that though.
Oh man. I would legit love this.The real series twist -- the NEXT logo:
series finale shot is Ash coming out of the milk dip
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
The real series twist -- the NEXT logo:
series finale shot is Ash coming out of the milk dip
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MiB being Arnold makes a lot more sense to me, but really I don't think he is anyone other than some rich guy that got sucked into this alternate universe, he is the MMO gamer that dies at his computer. Again it makes the most sense that Arnold was killed in the previous incident, he gave the hosts to much freedom and they went nuts and turned on him.
I think the voice in Dolores' head is her own (ford says arnold programed them to think the voices in their head or "ideas" they had outside the script was god talking to them) Arnold's theory of conscious was built on self preservation, dolores normally is scripted to sit there and get raped but she has the thought to defend herself and kill the attacker.
I think the voice in Dolores' head is her own (ford says arnold programed them to think the voices in their head or "ideas" they had outside the script was god talking to them) Arnold's theory of conscious was built on self preservation, dolores normally is scripted to sit there and get raped but she has the thought to defend herself and kill the attacker.
Maintenance
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MiB is Arnold's memory inside a host that got inside the park while faking being a guest.
J/k, obviously.
J/k, obviously.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think the "MIB is Arnold/William from the Past" is the kind of plot twist that would turn a lot of people off and would be intentionally avoided. I feel like there's a lot of "predictable" things that could happen that I want the show to avoid.
Although my wild mass guess is that the MIB is trying to investigate the maze for reasons that aren't merely that he wants to see what it is - they've alluded to a lot of different "factions" with varying interests in Westworld, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's working on behalf of one of those factions to gain access to some kind of "secret" within the coding; last night's episode adding in the "mysterious dead guy who (probably) fucked with the host's code" made me think it was even more likely. Maybe the hosts are hard-coded to be incapable of being used as weapons outside Westworld and someone wants to figure out how to disable that or something like that.
Although my wild mass guess is that the MIB is trying to investigate the maze for reasons that aren't merely that he wants to see what it is - they've alluded to a lot of different "factions" with varying interests in Westworld, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's working on behalf of one of those factions to gain access to some kind of "secret" within the coding; last night's episode adding in the "mysterious dead guy who (probably) fucked with the host's code" made me think it was even more likely. Maybe the hosts are hard-coded to be incapable of being used as weapons outside Westworld and someone wants to figure out how to disable that or something like that.
Maintenance
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Shame that they already said that the MiB is a guest, I would love him to be some kind of virus infecting hosts, and not actually someone.
Like the hosts see him as MiB but the guests/park management see him as a random host going mad/stray. His quest for the maze would be an AI trying to get free.
Like the hosts see him as MiB but the guests/park management see him as a random host going mad/stray. His quest for the maze would be an AI trying to get free.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think what's happening now is that the robots that are addressing Arnold when they go crazy are hearing similar voices in their heads. I mean, the scene with Ford and Bernard basically says as much, but what I'm getting at is what those robots are experiencing and what she just experienced are the same thing
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I guess that's a little of what makes me skeptical of the idea he's just a rich dude who does crazy shit - wouldn't they notice he's doing weird shit and been doing it for decades? Obviously they're not stepping in, but it seems like the staff does in fact monitor what is happening in Westworld pretty closely. Although perhaps there's lots of people who are completely addicted to Westworld and its less unusual than I'm imagining.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The flashback theory doesn't make a lot of sense to me to begin with. Ford explained that the robots were way crappier earlier in the park's run and you'd have to assume they just randomly got worse at the acting part of portraying the robots (despite the fact that so far they've been rather meticulous about the robotic mannerisms when called for) for any of it to be a flashback.
"God's Beard!"
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The one in the barn was the attacker's, and the one in her room was Chekhov's.
Wouldn't that be bad storytelling ?
More_Badass
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A good twist (or not even a twist but a reveal) recontextualizes a story or adds new depth or layers to events, motivations, characters or meaning to previously unnoticed symbolism, etc.. How is that bad storytelling?
Cornballer
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They didn't show Wyatt, right? I keep expecting to see Bray Wyatt come out and give a cryptic speech since they made a backwoods cult leader named Wyatt....
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
maquiladora
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Really enjoying this show so far.
Robot Pants
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Dude on the table?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I guess I just feel like I've been burned a lot in the past on this type of show so speculating too much might be for naught.
I mean, I'm hoping they have this season and possibly beyond relatively tightly-plotted.
I mean, I'm hoping they have this season and possibly beyond relatively tightly-plotted.
Robot Pants
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From what I understand they have five full seasons all plotted out.
Jack Scofield
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When did they mention $40K per day? I must have missed it.
StopMakingSense
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William's friend said it to him when they were talking in the street.
edit: oh was it at the campfire?
Obviously its assuming some manner of inflation in a society that's what? 80ish years from today?
Williams asshole buddy was complaining about them wasting $40k a day camping out in the middle of the wilderness, I believe.
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Or in the street earlier.
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Or I remembered correctly the first time.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
When they were at the campfire, William's asshole friend was bitching they were spending $40K to camp out alone and not doing crazy shit.
wesleyshark
Banned
I agree. Nothing else comes close.
No, he is in a lab coat working on a host.
Edit:Maybe it's just the photo, one of the scientists looked like him but maybe not.
I'm more excited about the next episode of this than the series premiere of Walking Dead next week.
Its at the end when William and his friend are around the camp fire. The friend complains how William pulled him out on this adventure and how he isn't paying 40k a day to jerk off out in the woods playing white hat.
Robot Pants
Member
Yea I'm not seeing him
Kadayi
Banned
They have five seasons planned? One, maybe two before things go totally sideways, but five seems kind of excessive and drawn out.
Still, I'm on board. Enjoying the show so far. I like that they're exploring the whole freedom aspect and the parallels with MMO's.
More_Badass
Member
Oh, there's no way this show is staying confined to the park. I expect the show to reinvent itself each season. The story isn't the park; it's the origin of this new synthetic species
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
My wife keeps throwing shade at the show because of how nice Evan Rachel Wood's hair looks when she wakes up despite the fact that the show's premise gave us a completely logical in-context reason for it.
apocalidiot
Banned
I'm guessing this has been covered but I don't know the answers - When the hosts are getting interviewed by the Westworld employees - what do they make of that when they're back in their homes/Westworld? For example, when Bernard is talking to Dolores, he asks her if she told anyone about their conversations - meaning she remembers the fact shes talking to some random dude in some random dude, naked in a weird futuristic setting. What does she think that is when she's back in Westworld?
Sorry if this isn't worded nicely
Sorry if this isn't worded nicely
They look to be walled off portions of their memory. She simply can't access the 'analysis'-like parts of her brain when she is doing her job in Westworld. Her Westworld memory can easily be overwritten, while her analysis-state is probably permanent.
Maeve has broken that barrier.