Rentahamster
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Agreed on all counts.
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Westworld - Live in Your World, Play in Ours - Sundays on HBO
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Agreed on all counts.
More_Badass
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Just made the connection that the end of this episode was totally a Telltale decision moment
ronaldthump
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that certainly got good (not that it wasn't).
rachel evan woods is amazing in this. The whole cast is, but she's a standout.
rachel evan woods is amazing in this. The whole cast is, but she's a standout.
More fuel to the William fire:
In the very first episode, the milk-hole Host is talking to somebody that has been dead for 35 years (Arnold) while going about parts of his modern routine. Is that what Dolores looks like to people around her, or is she just conflating memories of the time?
In the very first episode, the milk-hole Host is talking to somebody that has been dead for 35 years (Arnold) while going about parts of his modern routine. Is that what Dolores looks like to people around her, or is she just conflating memories of the time?
Agree with this. The timeline theory is massively convoluted. I don't see how they're going to get out of it without a massive montage of what parts Dolores was in what time period without massively confusing a huge amount of the audience.
Pai Pai Master
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Dicks everywhere. Dicks all around.
Watched the whole 5 episodes these past days. Haven't read anything about the series, colleague recommended it to me.
So (I haven't read anything in here yet) there are two timelines, correct? I only realized that at the half of episode 3. Also the blackhat man is William? The cuts and flashbacks are quiet..confusing. Also Ford is a really strange character and he seems like he lacks emotions? But he wouldn't be Arnold with that picture in his office.
Buuuut it's a good series.
So (I haven't read anything in here yet) there are two timelines, correct? I only realized that at the half of episode 3. Also the blackhat man is William? The cuts and flashbacks are quiet..confusing. Also Ford is a really strange character and he seems like he lacks emotions? But he wouldn't be Arnold with that picture in his office.
Buuuut it's a good series.
LordSparda
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Logan will remember that.
More_Badass
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There are some shows where I always skip the opening title sequence. Black Sails, Game of Thrones, and Westworld, I watch every time
wesleyshark
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I love that you haven't read anything in this thread and, without any influence other than your own deduction, you are wondering if there's two timelines.Watched the whole 5 episodes these past days. Haven't read anything about the series, colleague recommended it to me.
So (I haven't read anything in here yet) there are two timelines, correct? I only realized that at the half of episode 3. Also the blackhat man is William? The cuts and flashbacks are quiet..confusing. Also Ford is a really strange character and he seems like he lacks emotions? But he wouldn't be Arnold with that picture in his office.
Buuuut it's a good series.
That's the big debate in this thread, as it happens. 🤔
There definitely seems to be two timelines
More_Badass
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If there's a train through Pariah, I wonder if the more advanced/experienced players can ask to start at Pariah rather than at Sweetwater
Well, it's the only episode I fell asleep watching.
Except he won't because when William imports the save in the next episode the choice flags are all bugged.
Glass Shark
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If the piano in the bar starts playing Make Your Own Kind of Music, I am officially OUT
Ooh this is great. Thanks for the heads up!
Love the Black Hole Sun rendition. Fits perfectly. You know what this all reminds me of? The way Bioshock Infinite had in era renditions of modern songs like "Fortunate Son" and "Girls Just Want to Have Fun."
pretty sure i'd read somewhere that B:I actually a big influence for the piano music. don't quote me on it tho because i am very lazy and can't cite any sources.
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LiquidSword
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I think people are taking some of the symbolism (like the shots of Dolores by herself) and hallucinations that Dolores is having and using them as evidence that MIB=William. I just don't see it and it would ruin the show for me personally because as another poster said, unless they pull it off really well it's going to feel like a Shyamalan twist. Also with all the other mysteries in the show to then throw in multiple timelines that they have been hiding from the audience the whole time, then what the fuck even is this show.
keltickennedy
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I always assumed the MiB was Fords partner who helped create the park. Who they said died years ago. It feels like a God and Devil theme to me. Ford being god, watching over his creations and the MiB being Lucifer whispering in hosts ears and leaving clues behind trying to get the hosts to go off their loop and break the system.
Charles Brandon
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I'll stake my account that the two timelines thing is true
Freeza Under The Shower
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Dhaelaerys Targaryen
wesleyshark
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Careful about placing bets on here
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Seems likely. I'm sure there's probably even more entrance stops than those, too. It's a big park and repeat business seems pretty significant.
Bold strategy, Cotton.
I have a question? How are some of these interviews with the hosts done? It seems like Dolores has interviews with the boss and the computer guy at the same time she is on an adventure with the two cowboys? Are they scooping her up and dropping her off in the same place that quickly?
I've half imagined them not really being done in person, at least with hosts that have active storylines, but rather electronically. But there have been some dialog that suggests they're really leaving the park to go to the complex, as I recall Bernard once saying "go back before you are missed" or something along those lines, to Dolores.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Possibly. It seems likely the park is heavily laced with hidden connections to the main facility (see: Ford's entrance into the park a few episodes back) for staff to get in and out quickly to diminish how often they're seen by guests, so she could be going through those. Alternatively there's the idea that it's explained by the split-timeline theory and she's not actually constantly leaving William and Logan, but that it's happening at a completely different time. The other theories are that there's a duplicate bot that Dolores connects to and the staff is physically talking to her through the duplicate (not a fan of that theory, seems unlikely to me) or that she's not even physically there at all, and they're communicating to her via dreams, so the "You're in a dream, Dolores" line is actual literal and the presentation of it all is for the audience's sake. I kind of like that one, but it's not without its issues...
... like this. Though it could be explained as meaning "before someone notices you're 'unconscious'."
Spoiled Milk
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Some of these theories are bizarre. I think the producers of this tv show intended for the park to be huge but the robots to go back to the facilities for repairs, and they didn't realize that such a thing was contradictory. If you ask them about it, they'll retcon it with underground trains or something. More logos, please!
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Is that really a "retcon"? I'm sure this is definitely something they thought out rather than remembering 3 episodes down the line "oh wait, hmm, this place is kind of big". We already see early on that the majority of the massive staff complex is underground.
And parks like Disneyland are already dense with underground passages anyway, for the purpose of keeping resupplies and maintenance staff from being seen regularly, among other things, so there's a real world analog.
They've already outlined that there are Host gravediggers who dump "dead" Hosts in special graves that actually empty into a transportation system that sends them to the processing area automatically.
Operations
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Nice! Although that hugely atmospheric track at the end of episode 4/5 was not included in the sample
We've already seen the underground system that leads to the boonies in Episode 2, when Ford goes out into the desert.
More_Badass
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Also in Episode 3, when they go after the stray
NotTheGuyYouKill
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My question is, where does Westworld slot into the Nolan Cinematic Universe
#itsallconnected
#itsallconnected
Okay if I suffer crushing disappointment when the naysayers are proven right, at least I have a sock puppet to take it out on now.
yep, I wont stake my account. But I do feel nearly 100% certain that we are seeing multiple timelines.
I do feel slightly less certain about William = MiB, but still think that's probably what it's going to be.
Didn't they make a movie of that with Paul Walker?From the creator of Westworld:
badcrumble
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I really hope the multiple timelines thing isn't true because that's atrocious storytelling, but on the other hand I hope it is true because otherwise the William/Logan stuff is hard to get invested in. It's kind of bad either way!
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I maintain there is only one timeline and everything is really straightforward.
Everything else is Jonah Nolan laughing to himself in his living room while reading GAF and Reddit.
Everything else is Jonah Nolan laughing to himself in his living room while reading GAF and Reddit.
biggersmaller
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Provided Elsie with a good one-liner. Good to be reminded women also go to Westworld for a good time.
Operations
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Jesus guys, the slow, cinematic revelation of El Lazo's face just after MiB effed the same character was the biggest clue yet of the two timelines theory. Embrace it now!
I'm still not 100% on the whole William= MiB thing, but at this point they sure have gone out of their way to make us think there are two different timelines.
I remembered MiB talking to Lawrence (a bit before he bled him to death) about the discussions they used to have, and how he was changed from how he used to be this bigger than life gang leader or something.
Few scenes later, with William involved, bang. Lawrence is exactly that.
I remembered MiB talking to Lawrence (a bit before he bled him to death) about the discussions they used to have, and how he was changed from how he used to be this bigger than life gang leader or something.
Few scenes later, with William involved, bang. Lawrence is exactly that.