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Firest0rm said:
Johnny when were these pics taken? Did you ask Kojima about Rev ;).
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right before the conference. i didn't really talk to him much, just asked if he liked the Joy Division box set i gave him, and asked for a pic since they wouldn't let me get one last time.
 
I don't know why everyone is out to get Johnny. Its not his fault that nothing was shown. Maybe if shit was shown and it wasn't what Johnny said they you'd have a right to jump down this throat but he shouldn't be made out to be the bad guy here.

He gave us information and Nintendo has to show SOMETHING before we know if he's correct or not. So everyone that is blaming him should just shut up. If he gave us false information that's one thing but he just gave us information that can't be proved false yet.

And if you people even read the thread where Axsider was banned you'll know that he was banned because his account was banned before and he came back on under a different name. That's why he was banned...not because of the information leaks.
 
Johnny Nighttrain said:
yes, i mean performance. 360, surpassing. PS3, matching or "close enough".
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will someone put and end to this guy. this is sheer lunacy.

my upconverting dvd player (or the DS) might outperform revolution for all we know... LOL
 
Nintendo is incredibly stupid for not revealing Revolution IMO and it was the worst E3 show for them ever, but they seem to have done it on purpose. So it seems that they haven't said their last word. And I'm not quick to completely dismiss what Johnny Nighttrain says, yet.
 
Redbeard said:
Hard to believe with Nintendo themselves saying it's only 2 or 3 times as powerful as the Cube, and that it's not about having "turbo power".
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they also said 12-15 millions polis on GC against 70 million for PS2. How did that turn out? It's Nintendo's weird way of doing things.
 
I've been thinking about this, is it possible that Nintendo saw Sony do a full blowout on PS3 so they wanted to do something similiar to compete? They didn't ahve enough time at E3 so they decided to do it at a later time specifically just covering Revolution?
 
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I'm sorry. I really am.
 
Originally Posted by Musashi Wins!:
Nighttrained! And Li Mu Baied!
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I knew they were going to focus on GC & DS software, Reggie had restated this many times. (no Rev. coming out party) Though when the decision was made for it to be shown, I thought that Nintendo would exhibit at least a short montage of some games that internal as well as 3rd party studios are currently working on. (some footage does exist btw, though NOJ probably deemed it too early) Nope, no Mario 128, (as promised) no major defection, Mario whoring at a level unprecedented, & another Metroid for the GC in '06? This is wrong. Plans get restructured, & Nintendo is the king at changing this at the last moment. Inside sources may tell you one thing, then Nintendo decides against its original plan of action. I know that the visuals won't disappoint, but we have to wait a whole year more. My main source was at NST for God's sake! Well at least LOZ didn't disappoint, I'm eating crow right now, & feeling quite sick. My apologies guys, & Musashi I never claimed to be an insider, but to have friends that work within the industry.
 
Li Mu Bai said:
My apologies guys, & Musashi I never claimed to be an insider, but to have friends that work within the industry.
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Insiders who lack credibility deserve a little crow. No real malice meant.

You seem to lack that Jesus quality that Nighttrain has with the dregs though, so I think your crucifixion and subsequent resurrection is to be delayed. Last minute. From the source himself.
 
For all its worth, I believe them.

Though I believe if true, stupid move on Nintendos part. I mean, the world is watching, media is watching. Why not give them something to shout about? Early as it is, what is said now in the media could have a lasting impression and could frame the systems when they launch. Whats wrong with getting people excited, Nintendo?
 
There's no call for a crucifixion. Near as I can tell -- although my take on this is quite a bit different from Johnny's -- Nintendo surprised a LOT of folks by removing content from their conference.

Idle speculation suggests, again, that they didn't wanna be in Sony's shadow. It's yer call; I dunno what to make of it, and not being especially interested in the Revolution, I don't care to.
 
Johnny, don't worry about it. You're still credible enough in my eyes, and I hope you'll continue to pass along what you can here. As you say, nobody has to believe you.

Plus, when you really lean back and look at Nintendo's conference, it becomes almost obvious that stuff was pulled.
 
I just hope ALL of these "insiders" be they real, pretend, guiltlessly duped, have learned the lesson that whatever you think you know might not happen so just shut the hell up about it instead of trying to feel important on a gaming forum.
 
Ok, I'm at the first page of the thread now and i'll prolly never catch up so i'll say this now.

1st. Johnny did NOTHING wrong. He didn't flat out lie about anything. I can't even remember he said anything about stuff being shown on E3 he just said what he saw.

2nd. Matt from IGN posted a pic of Samus on the IGNforums and asked hot or not. He ALSO thought Nintendo was gonna show it.

Johhny please don't let this influence the way you post on this forum. I have enjoyed your contributions to this forum very much and would hate to see you hold back because of this. Don't stop sharing what you know please.

Edit: Ok, lol I seemed to have caught up. As it turns out more people share my opinion on the situation so I'm happy about that. BTW, anyone read up on what Brooke said in his blog? What a piece of trash that guy is.
 
Blah, who cares about this credibility, insider nonsense. Things happen or don't happen, the world keeps turning. You see like a pretty nice guy Johnny from what i notice, and you're cool in my book. I honestly don't see the big deal myself, perhaps because for one I didn't even read the posts in question, and two I wasn't at all hyped going into this E3, more important things occurring this week I'm looking forward to. So yeah, who cares?

However I do want to know more about this Folder issue, a lot of people flying of the handle on that too. And I'd be there too if I knew half of what went on. Just meh, the Internet is a wonderful place.
 
Here's a good rule of thumb:

If someone gives you inside information and you come here with it, you are presenting yourself as an insider. You should expect to be held responsible if what you post turns out to be false.

That's right, you. Not the little birdie that told you.
 
I can't say that I'm not a little disappointed that they didn't show anything but Reggie did mention several times that this E3 would not be Revolution's coming out party.

If you just stop to think about it for a minute it was actually a very wise move not to show anything. No matter what they showed they weren't going to top Sony. That much is clear. By tossing their hat into the ring at this point in time it would create a 3 way race from here on out.

Things can get muddled quickly in a three way race. If Nintendo shows the Revolution and the games don't look that much better or even worse than those on the X360 then MS becomes a viable #2 console for many people (with PS3 being #1 for most) and they will buy one at launch with plans to buy a PS3 when it comes out.

By not showing the Revolution, Nintendo avoided having its debut overshadowed by Sony and left many people in limbo about buying an X360 at or near launch. Unlike Sony, MS has yet to close the deal next-gen with many people and IMO Nintendo knows this. Its best for them to stay out of it and let Sony spend all of its energy chipping away at the X360 over the next few months while they spend time preparing their software. If they wait until they are ready and make a good first impression they have a clear shot at being a solid #2 the next time around.

And Nighttrain.... I hope that everything you said does in fact happen. You've been right in the past so I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.
 
GaimeGuy said:
That video on Nintendo's E3 site this morning had Kapplin saying ""we're ready for the launch on tuesday, the website on wednesday, we have some presentation on thursday and on friday <fades out>"

.... Iwata grinned every time he mentioned rev, too. and it seemed like a forced grin.


And there's no sense in showing the console prototype,but no footage of games.

... they're hiding something. :|
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Uh... yeah. They disappoint the expectations of most of their fanbase, bore and irritate the press corps, and make themselves look silly the day of their major press conference... so they can stage a miraculous comeback?

How many times do you guys want to be disappointed this E3?
 
Chrono said:
Ok. Let's say you are not a lier.

Tell us what you saw. Tell us EVERYTHING in that demo.






Just admit that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and suck it up. Jesus.
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Johnny Nighttrain said:
perhaps i should just cut my "losses" now, and keep my mouth shut if this what's gonna go down from here on out.
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smartest thing you've said yet.
 
The people attacking Johnny really need to STFU. If you guys didn't believe him or don't want to beleive him or dislike him for what ever reason then fine. Leave him alone and use the ignore feature, no one is forcing you to read what he says.
 
McPhineas said:
Here's a good rule of thumb:

If someone gives you inside information and you come here with it, you are presenting yourself as an insider. You should expect to be held responsible if what you post turns out to be false.

That's right, you. Not the little birdie that told you.
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What did Johnny say that was proven false? Several people have asked that several times in this thread, yet you jerks still keep coming in and calling him a liar.
 
Firest0rm said:
The people attacking Johnny really need to STFU. If you guys didn't believe him or don't want to beleive him or dislike him for what ever reason then fine. Leave him alone and use the ignore feature, no one is forcing you to read what he says.
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That would work if Team-N didn't take everything he says and repeat it in every thread ad nauseum.
 
I wouldn't blame Johnny for this.

Nintendo fans, don't drink the kool aid before Nintendo makes the announcement official. I don't even know why he is taking such a beating. YOU KNOW Nintendo keeps secrets all the time and get crucified for it. You're just taking out your frustrations on Johnny.
 
Meh, they could have put on a tech demo, or a fucking video montage and it would have satisfied most.

The point is, people are angered over the utter lack of seeing ANYTHING tangible.
Some footage, any footage, would have done wonders.
 
McPhineas said:
Here's a good rule of thumb:

If someone gives you inside information and you come here with it, you are presenting yourself as an insider. You should expect to be held responsible if what you post turns out to be false.

That's right, you. Not the little birdie that told you.
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I disagree. Though one should be held responsible for their posts, I don't think it's fair to be horrendously bashed. If someone is doing it to get a bit of attention, sure whatever, but if someone is being genuine, that's another story.

Shouldn't readers be somewhat responsible for what they choose to believe? This is a gaming forum, for Chrissakes! If some fanboy goes around believing whatever they want, and hyping it up themselves, in their own minds, that's THEIR problem, not the poster's...

Johnny repeatedly asserted that he knew what he knew, presneted what he says he could to us, and left the believing up to us. Maybe it was pre-emptive damage control, but regardless, you can't hold him entirely responsible, if at all... it's an internet forum.
 
Here's my GUESS on how it played out:

Nintendo had cooked up a little reel of Revolution works-in-progress. They, like most navel-gazing folks in the industry, probably figured that Sony would focus on current gen content and not go balls out with the PS3 hype machine -- that Ken and Kaz would play coy with the PS3 specs and wait to make a concrete announcement at a later date. Hell, I think MOST folks save a few deep insiders expected that, including a few VPs.

Sony drops a big ol' bomb designed to send geeks into a next-gen slather. Reggie and Iwata realize that ANYTHING they run after that is gonna be the CANONICAL comparison between the PS3 and Revolution for the next six-plus months, and that the Revolution will be painted as "a disappointing effort by Nintendo to compete". The traditional spin of "we're about content, not hardware" won't work, because the demo reel belies that strategy; it focused on graphics and audiovisuals, but the presentation and the numbers don't match up in any way that can be conveniently excused.

So they gank the demo reel, extend the DS portion, confine the Rev talk to some teaser images and the product design, and delay the conference by 45 minutes as they get the revised program locked down. To them, it seems perfectly positive and exciting; they've forgotten how fanboy and media expectations work. Now the Revolution remains a mystery-at-large (barring leaks), and the focus is on PS3 versus 360, not PS3 versus 360 versus Revolution -- a match they can't win in the eyes of the larger media narrative.

The new strategy is to wait and create a more Revolution-centric unveiling that emphasizes the new controller and content scheme after the initial PS3 shock has died down and the media is a little more receptive. Plus, it's a better chance to get media coverage sans direct comparisons to Sony's juggernaut.

The mistake they made was anticipating Sony. Sony roared, and it stopped poor Nintendo in their tracks. The conference was a hasty reshuffling, and will probably prove a better media exposure strategy in the long term than going ahead and taking the massive ding.

I still think they shoulda shown the controller, but I *suspect* that in their panic, they cut everything that might give the competition too much information or a perceived edge. Was it wise? As ever: fuck if I know.
 
cubicle47b said:
Wait, Metroid Prime 3 is on the Gamecube? They played that footage at the end of the Revolution presentation...
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BTW that was some CRAPPY footage. Looked like the Nintendo ON guy made it.
 
Something I've been wondering ever since Johnny Nighttrain first appeared here. Is this the same guy that involved in scamming several people over at TNL's trade depot?
 
Drinky Crow said:
Here's my GUESS on how it played out:

Nintendo had cooked up a little reel of Revolution works-in-progress. They, like most navel-gazing folks in the industry, probably figured that Sony would focus on current gen content and not go balls out with the PS3 hype machine -- that Ken and Kaz would play coy with the PS3 specs and wait to make a concrete announcement at a later date. Hell, I think MOST folks save a few deep insiders expected that, including a few VPs.

Sony drops a big ol' bomb designed to send geeks into a next-gen slather. Reggie and Iwata realize that ANYTHING they run after that is gonna be the CANONICAL comparison between the PS3 and Revolution for the next six-plus months, and that the Revolution will be painted as "a disappointing effort by Nintendo to compete". The traditional spin of "we're about content, not hardware" won't work, because the demo reel belies that strategy; it focused on graphics and audiovisuals, but the presentation and the numbers don't match up in any way that can be conveniently excused.

So they gank the demo reel, extend the DS portion, confine the Rev talk to some teaser images and the product design, and delay the conference by 45 minutes as they get the revised program locked down. To them, it seems perfectly positive and exciting; they've forgotten how fanboy and media expectations work. Now the Revolution remains a mystery-at-large (barring leaks), and the focus is on PS3 versus 360, not PS3 versus 360 versus Revolution -- a match they can't win in the eyes of the larger media narrative.

The new strategy is to wait and create a more Revolution-centric unveiling that emphasizes the new controller and content scheme after the initial PS3 shock has died down and the media is a little more receptive. Plus, it's a better chance to get media coverage sans direct comparisons to Sony's juggernaut.

The mistake they made was anticipating Sony. Sony roared, and it stopped poor Nintendo in their tracks. The conference was a hasty reshuffling, and will probably prove a better media exposure strategy in the long term than going ahead and taking the massive ding.

I still think they shoulda shown the controller, but I *suspect* that in their panic, they cut everything that might give the competition too much information or a perceived edge. Was it wise? As ever: fuck if I know.
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IBTN
 
Johnny's other mistake was asserting, rather than speculating, that the Nintendo Gamecube had superior-grade hardware when he hadn't seen the PS3 or the 360's best yet. He can still claim that now, but he didn't have any real-world performance figures to back that up, and at this point, it could very well be revisionist history.

He saw some Nintendo staples that looked beyond the current gen -- as expected. No matter how the Revolution performs against the next gen, it's STILL gonna look astounding compared to the last gen. He made an assumption that it wasn't gonna get much better than that, which, when combined with Nintendo's art direction and appeals to nostalgia, caused him to make some dangerously unreliable claims in the middle of this hair-trigger fanboy showdown. I'm sure Johnny saw the original reel, I'm sure he was impressed as all fuck; he just shouldn't have tried to compare it to the other two consoles when he knew very little about them.

Go figure. Par for the GAF. No-one's crying but those with silly expectations.
 
jgkspsx said:
Uh... yeah. They disappoint the expectations of most of their fanbase, bore and irritate the press corps, and make themselves look silly the day of their major press conference... so they can stage a miraculous comeback?

How many times do you guys want to be disappointed this E3?
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well, everything aries has said has come true, so far. EVERYTHING.

And frankly, I wouldn't be considering that Ninty was going to show Rev later during E3, not at their press conference, if it weren't for two things:

#1: the aforementioned (in my previous post) video of Kapplin on Nintendo.com. It was the first clip shown; the reggie one where he said "Don't make me do it! I'll take your name!" was the third clip. just THIS morning, that video was on the site. I don't remember it being up before around 9:00 yesterday, but that video had been there ever since Nintendo put the counter on the website, and she specifically says this: "we're ready for the launch on tuesday, the website on wednesday, we have some presentation on thursday and on friday..." and then the camera fades out.

Furthermore, there is no logical reason for Nintendo to show the Revolution hardware and not provide any specs, information on what is so revolutionary about it, or even one shard of video footage. They would be better off not showing revolution at all rather than displaying a physical prototype with no footage of games.

This suggests that they're going to roll out the revolution information over the course of E3, rather than at the press conference. And I suppose it makes sense, from a business perspective: If Nintendo focuses on the revolution during the press conference, they completely nullify any attention towards the GC and the DS.

Plus, Nintendo is the type of company who'd like to give people information when they don't expect it, rather than at an anticipated press conference. I wouldn't put it past them to try an unorthodox unveiling during E3, when people have lowered their expectations from the disappointing press conference.

Didn't Aries say that the 19th would be a big day? According to the Kaplin video, that's the day of "some presentation." I can only believe that this will concern Revolution, perhaps the revelation of what is so revolutionary about it. The video fades out on Friday before Kaplin can say anything... I think Thursday will be a full unveiling of the hardware and its features, and Friday the software. (or maybe the other way around)

I could be wrong, and blowing everything completely out of context, but there would be no reason for me to believe otherwise when the Kaplin video was uploaded AFTER the MS and Sony press conferences.

For now, we don't know much on Revolution. But I'm certain that we will know much more by the end of E3, including the wonders which Johnny said we'd see.
 
Drinky Crow said:
Here's my GUESS on how it played out:

Nintendo had cooked up a little reel of Revolution works-in-progress. They, like most navel-gazing folks in the industry, probably figured that Sony would focus on current gen content and not go balls out with the PS3 hype machine -- that Ken and Kaz would play coy with the PS3 specs and wait to make a concrete announcement at a later date. Hell, I think MOST folks save a few deep insiders expected that, including a few VPs.

Sony drops a big ol' bomb designed to send geeks into a next-gen slather. Reggie and Iwata realize that ANYTHING they run after that is gonna be the CANONICAL comparison between the PS3 and Revolution for the next six-plus months, and that the Revolution will be painted as "a disappointing effort by Nintendo to compete". The traditional spin of "we're about content, not hardware" won't work, because the demo reel belies that strategy; it focused on graphics and audiovisuals, but the presentation and the numbers don't match up in any way that can be conveniently excused.

So they gank the demo reel, extend the DS portion, confine the Rev talk to some teaser images and the product design, and delay the conference by 45 minutes as they get the revised program locked down. To them, it seems perfectly positive and exciting; they've forgotten how fanboy and media expectations work. Now the Revolution remains a mystery-at-large (barring leaks), and the focus is on PS3 versus 360, not PS3 versus 360 versus Revolution -- a match they can't win in the eyes of the larger media narrative.

The new strategy is to wait and create a more Revolution-centric unveiling that emphasizes the new controller and content scheme after the initial PS3 shock has died down and the media is a little more receptive. Plus, it's a better chance to get media coverage sans direct comparisons to Sony's juggernaut.

The mistake they made was anticipating Sony. Sony roared, and it stopped poor Nintendo in their tracks. The conference was a hasty reshuffling, and will probably prove a better media exposure strategy in the long term than going ahead and taking the massive ding.

I still think they shoulda shown the controller, but I *suspect* that in their panic, they cut everything that might give the competition too much information or a perceived edge. Was it wise? As ever: fuck if I know.
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Sounds really reasonable. However, I think nearly any explanation is reasonable, given the light of the situation. You could tell us that Aliens came down and stole the Rev development plans, stored them in a teacup and hid them in a volcano in another galaxy, and that will seem ok.

Evidence would support your theory, what with Nintendo repeatedly implying that power isnt what they're focusing on - their strategy at the conference is baffling. But I guess one way to see what is going on is to visualise what could've happened had they blown their load, even if Rev IS near PS3 levels - everyone talks about the next gen, noone cares about GC, DS, GBA-micro, or anything for the next year. Arguably, that's going to happen regardless now, because of Sony and MS (again, referring to your idea that Nintendo simply misfired in terms of predicting what Sony would do). What they have revealed about Rev is probably enough to whet some apetites of the most loyal only (and let's face it, they're Nintendo's target, at least amongst the hardcore), from Nintendo's point of view, anyway. Hard to remain objective when you're right in the heart of things.
 
I'm really only speculating. This could be an articulated overarching strategy by Nintendo. The Revolution COULD be a staggering piece of PS3-caliber hardware in a box 1/3rd of the size. But if it WAS, they coulda shut down Sony in a heartbeat at E3, and been pre-emptively declared the NEXT GEN WINNAR by the geek media. Still: who knows? Nintendo is both surprisingly clever and unfathomably reactionary. In this context, I think past history favors the latter case.
 
PC Gaijin said:
Is this the same guy that involved in scamming several people over at TNL's trade depot?
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1 guy, not several. $10.
Drinky Crow said:
He saw some Nintendo staples that looked beyond the current gen -- as expected. No matter how the Revolution performs against the next gen, it's STILL gonna look astounding compared to the last gen. He made an assumption that it wasn't gonna get much better than that, which, when combined with Nintendo's art direction and appeals to nostalgia, caused him to make some dangerously unreliable claims in the middle of this hair-trigger fanboy showdown. I'm sure Johnny saw the original reel, I'm sure he was impressed as all fuck; he just shouldn't have tried to compare it to the other two consoles when he knew very little about them.
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now you're just jumping to some retarded conclusions, and being nothing more than Drinky at his best. Nintendo stuff isn't the only stuff i know about you know. i had seen a good amount of 360 stuff by that point. besides, it's not like it was ever hard to get info on the system anyways. all you needed to know was one right person.
 
Dear Johnny,

don't listen to all these meany meanie xbots and psyborgs (lol!!!). Please, keep up the good work and share your secrets with me. pm them if you can, or everyone else can ignore them hahaha but i must know. that part is very important. you are very important.

ps-can we hold hands after e3? check yes or no.

revolution!!
 
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