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What damage could Bush do in another four years?

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Socreges

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Do you expect another war?

- I think Iraq is going to be far too involving for the next while for the administration to even consider the next "step", which I think was inevitable if Iraq had been a more immediate success.

Will relations with other countries dissolve even further?

Will American unilateralism become more pervasive?

Abortion, gay marriage, stem cell research, etc. Could issues such as these continue further right?

And anything domestic (school, economy, etc).

In other words, is it necessarily going to be so bad if he's elected again? Because that seems most likely right now.

Somehow.

[edit] This is directed at those who aren't in favour of Bush. Though apologists are certainly welcome. Just keep it clean.
 
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Semjaza Azazel

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For me the whole stem cell thing is a big deal... My girlfriend is diabetic and so are a good deal of our friends. It's one of (not the) my main voting points, personally.
 
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Drinky Crow

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My number one concern is the nomination of Christian judges to the federal courts. The worst thing that could happen to our freedoms is the interpretation of law as Biblical in origin. The completely indefensible Defense of Marriage Act is truly vile, and interpreting it as Constitutional violates everything the Founding Fathers stood for.

After that, I don't want to see any more unjustified pre-emptive invasions killing our soldiers, ruining our international reputation, and justifying the actions of terrorists.
 
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DarienA

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Drinky Crow said:
My number one concern is the nomination of Christian judges to the federal courts. The worst thing that could happen to our freedoms is the interpretation of law as Biblical in origin. The completely indefensible Defense of Marriage Act is truly vile, and interpreting it as Constitutional violates everything the Founding Fathers stood for.

After that, I don't want to see any more unjustified pre-emptive invasions killing our soldiers, ruining our international reputation, and justifying the actions of terrorists.
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Doug summarized my thoughts much more coherently that I could have... I would have said something like CAUSE BUSH SUCKZ AND HE IS BAD FOR DA PEOPLE!!!!
 
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Diablos

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Drinky Crow said:
My number one concern is the nomination of Christian judges to the federal courts. The worst thing that could happen to our freedoms is the interpretation of law as Biblical in origin. The completely indefensible Defense of Marriage Act is truly vile, and interpreting it as Constitutional violates everything the Founding Fathers stood for.

After that, I don't want to see any more unjustified pre-emptive invasions killing our soldiers, ruining our international reputation, and justifying the actions of terrorists.
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YOU ARE A TERRORIST
 
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sc0la

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Poody said:
who ever wins we lose
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hey what could I list?

Another war.

Tax cuts that leave our services aching for money.

A serious push on a gay marraige ban ammendment, which would cause serious rifts. If that passed I would leave the country, and I am not even gay. hmm what sounds cooler? Canada or Italy/greece?
 
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RiZ III

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Atleast another war -> More terrorism -> More chaos in th world -> More hatred towards America -> A more secure America.

Good times.
 
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IJoel

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Drinky Crow said:
My number one concern is the nomination of Christian judges to the federal courts. The worst thing that could happen to our freedoms is the interpretation of law as Biblical in origin. The completely indefensible Defense of Marriage Act is truly vile, and interpreting it as Constitutional violates everything the Founding Fathers stood for.

After that, I don't want to see any more unjustified pre-emptive invasions killing our soldiers, ruining our international reputation, and justifying the actions of terrorists.
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We have a winner!

IAWTP
 
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Ninja Scooter

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George-W.-Bush-03s.jpg

"ehh...my bad?!?"
 
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RiZ III

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If Bush steals the election again by some shady voting problems, then I can see a lot of protests and perhaps violence. But a revolution like Titor said, hmm :/
 
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Drensch

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A 3rd world war, easy. All of this crap with Israel, Iran and the middle east. Russia being destabilized, and their authoritarian government trying to keep the power. NKorea and their bullshit. Lack of unity in the world and here. And that's ignoring serious problems on the domestic front.
 
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Socreges

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"who ever wins we lose"

Ok, this thread has become two-fold.

What damage could Kerry do in the next four years?

Is he "soft on terrorism"? How do you know this?

Is he an "economic girlie-man"? In what ways?

Does he flip flop? How would this be damaging?

A 3rd world war, easy.
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In four years? Easy?
 
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distantmantra

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Drinky Crow said:
My number one concern is the nomination of Christian judges to the federal courts. The worst thing that could happen to our freedoms is the interpretation of law as Biblical in origin. The completely indefensible Defense of Marriage Act is truly vile, and interpreting it as Constitutional violates everything the Founding Fathers stood for.
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This is why the Bush administration frightens me.
 
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Drensch

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Yes, quite. We're in a stituation that is similar to WWI. He's already set the stage in his first term. There is a lot of bad stuff going on in the world at this point, and a lot of it is interconnected. The middle east is in a bad way, as is africa and it won't take much for China/Russia/NKorea to get really bad. I'd also mention that SAmerica isn't horrible but it's bad down there. Political problems in the world are only enhanced by economic problems. All it takes is for Iran or Korea or a terrorist attack to set the table. WWI was started by the asassination of a nobody. Imagine if Israel attacks Iran or vice versa.

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I vote either for Pakistan-India or the old standby: the Balkans.
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I forgot about that whole situation. Not to mention the whole loose nuke situation.
 
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SKluck

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I don't see how it is worse now than before his first term. What, the world may hate us more now, thats about it.

Attacks have not increased. Unless you count what happens in Iraq, but considering its state at the moment, I wouldn't count that. Regardless, life HERE has not gotten worse.
 
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Socreges

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Drensch said:
Yes, quite. We're in a stituation that is similar to WWI. He's already set the stage in his first term. There is a lot of bad stuff going on in the world at this point, and a lot of it is interconnected. The middle east is in a bad way, as is africa and it won't take much for China/Russia/NKorea to get really bad. I'd also mention that SAmerica isn't horrible but it's bad down there. Political problems in the world are only enhanced by economic problems. All it takes is for Iran or Korea or a terrorist attack to set the table. WWI was started by the asassination of a nobody. Imagine if Israel attacks Iran or vice versa.

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I forgot about that whole situation. Not to mention the whole loose nuke situation.
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No, I completely understand the problems present in the world. I just think saying WWIII in the next four years is "easy", as if very likely, is pretty ridiculous.
 
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MetatronM

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Raxel said:
China-Taiwan is where the 3rd world war would begin imo, not anywhere else.
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It could start in the Middle East, too, if things went really crazy. But, yeah, the big danger with China-Taiwan is that nobody is really paying attention to it. It's completely off of our radar since we've off hunting supervillains in their underground death lairs in central Asia.

What would be most likely to spark a world war would be if China and Taiwan erupted concurrently with a major meltdown in the Middle East. To be honest, I don't really know if such a war would be winnable.
 
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Socreges said:
No, I completely understand the problems present in the world. I just think saying WWIII in the next four years is "easy", as if very likely, is pretty ridiculous.
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It's not really very likely to happen, but the world stage is set that if a certain series of events took place, a world war could very easily result.
 
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Socreges

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Metatron said:
It's not really very likely to happen, but the world stage is set that if a certain series of events took place, a world war could very easily result.
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If that's all that he meant, then I agree.

SKluck said:
I don't see how it is worse now than before his first term. What, the world may hate us more now, thats about it.

Attacks have not increased. Unless you count what happens in Iraq, but considering its state at the moment, I wouldn't count that. Regardless, life HERE has not gotten worse.
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Even if that is true, which I think is certainly arguable (and I hope some Americans here will), the world around the USA is becoming progressively more unstable. And your country has a very big hand in determining that.

I suppose it's fine to think that Bush is the proverbial blanket that keeps you warm and safe at night, but meanwhile his grip on the rest of the world is failing with each day. A lot of it is out of the administration's control, but he is doing very little to discourage such deterioration, if not encouraging.
 
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SKluck

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Socreges said:
If that's all that he meant, then I agree.


Even if that is true, which I think is certainly arguable (and I hope some Americans here will), the world around the USA is becoming progressively more unstable. And your country has a very big hand in determining that.

I suppose it's fine to think that Bush is the proverbial blanket that keeps you warm and safe at night, but meanwhile his grip on the rest of the world is failing with each day. A lot of it is out of the administration's control, but he is doing very little to discourage such deterioration, if not encouraging.
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Grip on the world is failing? Make up your mind, do you want the US to be "World Police" or not? We are hated when we step up, and we are hated when we don't (Palestine/Israel).

I am of the belief that we should mind our own business and let the rest of the world fall unless it directly impacts us. DIRECTLY being the key word. You can't expect a country of 300 million to protect a world of 6 billion.
 
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Celicar

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If you are still working and makine the money you were 5 years ago then sure. But, ask all those saps at Worldcom and Enron if life is better.
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Bush was behind those scandals? I did not know that. Thanks for the info!

DAMN YOU, BUSH!!
 
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Socreges

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SKluck said:
Grip on the world is failing? Make up your mind, do you want the US to be "World Police" or not? We are hated when we step up, and we are hated when we don't (Palestine/Israel).
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Make up my mind? When did I ever say that it has to be one way or the other? Or that it's so black and white? Don't take one metaphor like "grip on the world" and turn into some bizarre accusation of the USA having to babysit each country.

The fact is that the USA has placed itself in a position over the years where it determines a great deal in how the world progresses. They've generally managed to keep opponents at bay and powerful countries at their side, but that ability is diminishing, though it's not impossible to regain it.
I am of the belief that we should mind our own business and let the rest of the world fall unless it directly impacts us. DIRECTLY being the key word. You can't expect a country of 300 million to protect a world of 6 billion.
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...what?
 
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The Draft*

$28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004.

The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htm

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
 
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StoOgE

First tragedy, then farce.
Bush could force me to move to Canada... and I dont like Canadian Beer.

Note: Im actually considering a move to Canada in the next year, regardless of the political climate.
 
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explodet

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StoOgE said:
Bush could force me to move to Canada... and I dont like Canadian Beer.
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You'll have a hell of a time passing the entrance exam, then. You need to drink three pints in an hour and walk out the door without falling over.

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Gruco

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I don't think that Bush is going to pick another fight (I like to think he learned his lesson, although maybe I give him too much credit), but I am concerened about the long term fallout of his his decision to pick this one, an his demonstrated incompetence in foreign policy.

I agree with Drinky that the judge nominations can have serve long term conserquences on social issues, and am pretty amazed that it's gotten this far without any Supreme Court retirement.

The issue the I am primarily concerned with, however, is our economic policy, and the consequences of our society being oversaddled with debt. The risks are numerous, and the consequences range from serve damage to entitlement programs (see Greenspan on Social Security), a long deflationary spiral, and a disproportionately large tax burden in order to compensate for the tax "cuts" some enjoy so much right now. Leading to greater income deviation, leading to all sorts of sociological problems. Plus financial strains denying the US from being able to deal with any suprise problems along the way.
 
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