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[Ulysses 31]

These reshoots are just KILLING these films profitability. Why do they constantly do this? The script is shit? The directors never properly storyboarded the film? They were chasing the woke and then tried to pivot? Execs wait too long to weigh in?

Partially because at Disney/Marvel they start filming without a (finished) script and fix/change things later on.

Rebecca Romijn Isn’t “Sure” She’s Done Filming for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ Because “They Haven’t Finishing Writing” the Script

Romijn is set to reprise her role as Mystique, a character she originated in 2000’s ‘X-Men.’

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[AJUMP23]

Partially because at Disney/Marvel they start filming without a (finished) script and fix/change things later on.

Rebecca Romijn Isn’t “Sure” She’s Done Filming for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ Because “They Haven’t Finishing Writing” the Script

Romijn is set to reprise her role as Mystique, a character she originated in 2000’s ‘X-Men.’

www.hollywoodreporter.com

This feels like Disney/Star Wars culture. The one thing they should learn from SW is finish the story first.

 

[Fake]

These reshoots are just KILLING these films profitability. Why do they constantly do this? The script is shit? The directors never properly storyboarded the film? They were chasing the woke and then tried to pivot? Execs wait too long to weigh in?

Most of the writers are new in the job and to be honest reshoots save a loads of money.

I remember new Capitan America doing a so big reshoot because the screen test couldn't stop laughting at Ford transforming into Hulk.
In fact, I would paid a load of money to see all those movies without the reshoot because as sites like Holywood just saying is bad, I just got curious how bad it really is.

 

[Doom85]

Partially because at Disney/Marvel they start filming without a (finished) script and fix/change things later on.

Rebecca Romijn Isn’t “Sure” She’s Done Filming for ‘Avengers: Doomsday’ Because “They Haven’t Finishing Writing” the Script

Romijn is set to reprise her role as Mystique, a character she originated in 2000’s ‘X-Men.’

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Oh, so like every MCU movie since 2008?

The movie got a LOAD of reshoots, so for people to be dumb at the point of saying 'bruh I watched the movie, there is no woke' when even the actors confirm otherwise.
They do tried to paint the mommy as the leader of the F4 instead of Pedro Pascal, with is hilarious. Screen test all over the place.

They did a heavy change of the entire movie before release and still the movie flop.

Now they can't even sell avengers at this point.

LOADS of reshoots? This is all blatantly pure, flimsy conjecture with zero evidence. The only confirmation on what was shot was the flashback sequence of Shalla-Bal before she becomes the Surfer, which checks out as that would require not much time to write, film, and do the effects for.

They didn't rewrite, reshot, and do the effects for a TON of scenes two months before release. The fact that anyone could believe that shows how little some people know about filmmaking.

Almost all major films get reshoots. It's really becoming hilarious how much certain people are acting like this is some sort of massive deal. Why, it's almost like some people on YouTube and such get paid to spread panic, outrage, unfounded rumors, etc.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Oh, so like every MCU movie since 2008?

LOADS of reshoots? This is all blatantly pure, flimsy conjecture with zero evidence. The only confirmation on what was shot was the flashback sequence of Shalla-Bal before she becomes the Surfer, which checks out as that would require not much time to write, film, and do the effects for.

They didn't rewrite, reshot, and do the effects for a TON of scenes two months before release. The fact that anyone could believe that shows how little some people know about filmmaking.

Almost all major films get reshoots. It's really becoming hilarious how much certain people are acting like this is some sort of massive deal. Why, it's almost like some people on YouTube and such get paid to spread panic, outrage, unfounded rumors, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/s/7oUX8MFmQp

Looks like F4 is not bombing

 

[Saber]

These reshoots are just KILLING these films profitability. Why do they constantly do this? The script is shit? The directors never properly storyboarded the film? They were chasing the woke and then tried to pivot? Execs wait too long to weigh in?

Seems like every Marvel project gets these, and they seem a lot more extensive than "we needed a few establishing pick-up shots" or "we had to wait for the lead actor to grow a beard". They seem to be large restructuring of plots, replacing entire characters, or broad tonal changes.

Maybe these massive effects heavy films are just too much. Filming actors on an all green set with a swirl of ping-pong balls on sticks representing half the cast has got to be a big challenge in hitting the correct emotions and dialogue. But go to a real set, with all the characters physically there, and the acting magic can happen.

At this point I can only assume they make/write those films without any form of supervision. So theres no "ears being pushed" until the film is seeing by investors or testers. Its then when the facepalm happens and demands to reshots begins. Elio supposedelly suffer from the same thing, I can't imagine the reception that film would have if they didn't change things there.
I can think Superman being the same thing, an entire film about everyone making/cracking jokes and silly comments (like Spider-man). Until internal testing saw demand almost entire shitick to be heavy toned.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I have seen many say that reported 80% drop is a bit misleading. That drop was Friday to Friday. When you compare the entire weekends it was 66%.

 

[jason10mm]

At this point I can only assume they make/write those films without any form of supervision. So theres no "ears being pushed" until the film is seeing by investors or testers. Its then when the facepalm happens and demands to reshots begins. Elio supposedelly suffer from the same thing, I can't imagine the reception that film would have if they didn't change things there.
I can think Superman being the same thing, an entire film about everyone making/cracking jokes and silly comments (like Spider-man). Until internal testing saw demand almost entire shitick to be heavy toned.

Seems to me that they should just film a couple different versions of scenes, some with more comedy, some with less, so they have the flexibility to adjust the final product in editing without having to reshoot. Maybe all the effects makes it harder to adjust on the fly? I'm sure they know the "controversial" stuff ahead of time so seems like they should cover their bases up front with shots that cut out gay kisses or whatever.

Comic book plots can be pretty convoluted with lots of mumbo-jumbo to explain why a glowy thingy is good/bad and why this character is secretly that character or why this person reacts to that person in ways that aren't clear just from the script dialogue. I'm not sure these tentpole flicks devotes the proper time to rehearsals, and of course they are usually on a tight time table to meet a release schedule put out YEARS in advance, gotta hammer "talkie" scenes into a action sequence framework that was pre-determined and already well into production before principle photography begins.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

This is bombing and it's hilarious.

And fully deserved.

 

[DKehoe]

 

[Madflavor]

This is bombing and it's hilarious.

And fully deserved.

"What is going on at Marvel?"

They diluted the brand with all those shows that were mediocre, and made general audiences feel like they had to do homework before watching the next MCU film. On top of that the dumptruck of "content" only served to accelerate us towards Superhero Fatigue. It's here now. MCU films are very frontloaded, and they're going to have to adjust accordingly.

 

[VulcanRaven]

"What is going on at Marvel?"

They diluted the brand with all those shows that were mediocre, and made general audiences feel like they had to do homework before watching the next MCU film. On top of that the dumptruck of "content" only served to accelerate us towards Superhero Fatigue. It's here now. MCU films are very frontloaded, and they're going to have to adjust accordingly.

This is the reason why I haven't watched all the movies after Endgame. I hadn't seen Ms. Marvel so it didn't make any sense to see The Marvels. I saw Captain America 4 and it felt like I missed a lot.

 

[Zephyranthes]

Saw it last weekend....it's a middle shelf MCU flick, and I liked it well enough. The new F4 team is well cast, and they have good chemistry together, which bodes well for their future endeavors. I also enjoyed what they did with Silver Surfer in actually giving her a bit of a character arc. I didn't like what they did with Galactus. I get that banishing him to who-knows-where in the Earth 828 timeline doesn't prevent him from showing up in the main MCU timeline in some other movie, but you can't have a major villain getting punked in their first significant appearance and expect us to still take them seriously later.....just ask Kang.

 

[bitbydeath]

Saw it last weekend....it's a middle shelf MCU flick, and I liked it well enough. The new F4 team is well cast, and they have good chemistry together, which bodes well for their future endeavors. I also enjoyed what they did with Silver Surfer in actually giving her a bit of a character arc. I didn't like what they did with Galactus. I get that banishing him to who-knows-where in the Earth 828 timeline doesn't prevent him from showing up in the main MCU timeline in some other movie, but you can't have a major villain getting punked in their first significant appearance and expect us to still take them seriously later.....just ask Kang.

I thought/hoped-

Galactus would win. Taking out their Earth, forcing them to run to 828 and setting up the stakes for the upcoming Avengers movie. The good guys shouldn't win every time and that was demonstrated and notably well received in Infinity War (until they stupidly undone it in Endgame).

 

[Lambogenie]

I won't watch this until streaming, I was interested but my God, Pedro's face is annoying, and I still think Sue looks _old_ and botoxed up for the role as well. Kinda hoping at least those two get recast like Rhodey.

Streaming just conditioned too many of us to wait. Cinema etiquette has gotten worse, so I'd rather wait it out.

 

[wipeout364]

I just went to IMAX to see it. It's a solid movie that is undeserving of the pre release negativity. I liked Thunderbolts and thought this was better. Honestly if you are a fan of Marvel comics this movie does the Fantastic Four justice and everyone is solid in their roles even Pascal. I did not get any woke vibes off the movie at all, just two hours of a decent super hero film. If you are burned out on super hero movies this won't change anything but if you are staying away because of Youtube hate don't listen to them and go enjoy it.

 

[Ce'Nedra]

I saw it a couple of hours ago and it was OK, but the robot bb was cringey as fuck.

Also, lately i feel kinda lazy with marvel movies, there' are a ton per year and I got exhausted. If at least they made on similar to chronicle and not so happy-no one dies unless the plot requires... it would be something else.

 

[GateofD]

Hate the stupid robot. Obvious focus group checkmark addition that says insert one cute companion thing for the kids to laugh at that brings nothing to the story.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

Ehh, the movie pays a lot of tribute to jack kirby (finally), so it's not strange they'd include the last thing he created for marvel under contract

 

[kpopSuperstar]

I am a little surprised at how the film has stalled, it's doing horribly and there is a real question if it will get to 500.

The whole MCU is on RDJ shoulders right now and the spectacle of a big new Avengers film.

Fantastic Four was supposed to be the big turn in Marvel's fortune. It is not.

Superman has slowed down a lot as well, but it will cross 600 million, which is so so.

Weapons is doing very very well, a huge success.