What do you feel about the word Nigga?

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You damn well know what the difference is David

Yes and no. As I said, it's all about intent, not spelling. They aren't two different words at all. If 'Nigga' was totally devoid of any racial subtext then nobody would bat an eyelid if white people said it. It isn't, it's just Nigger in a new (supposedly empowered) coat.

I understand how people can use the original word in different contexts, I'm just not on board with changing the spelling and pretending it's a totally different word. I accept that might be a pointless distinction to make or care about.

I'd also like to stress that I have absolutely no desire to say the word in either of it's forms.

That is a good rant.

But . . . some people do successfully grab former slurs and turn them around.

Queer Nation is gay rights group.

Dan Savage seems to love throwing around the word faggot.

The Pink Triangle symbol for gay pride was stolen from the Nazis who used it to mark gays is concentration camps.

Slut Walks became a protest against people blaming rapes on a woman's appearance.

Dykes on Bikes is a Lesbian motorcycle club.

Etc. I think it is fine for people to take it back such terms.
This kinda goes hand in hand with what I'm saying. Notice how none of these terms changed spelling. They're much more 'up-front' about reclaiming the exact word, not creating an acceptable copy.
 
Nigger and Nigga. You're right. Words do have different meanings and usage, it all depends on context. Now stop dodging and explain to me in what context it is appropriate to see another black person on the street and say "MY NIGGA!".
When have I ever argued that was appropriate?
 
Homosexuals don't go around calling themselves faggots or dikes. Rape victims don't go around call themselves sluts. Only black people go around calling each other NiggERS. Absolutely disgusting filth.
Gay people refer to themselves as faggots all the time. And women have been calling themselves "bitch" for ages (the Meredith Brooks song is over a decade old). I've never been called a "nigger" by another black person, though.
 
It's an ignorant word , sure MLK would just love hearing it used like its no big deal. Your in an alternate reality.

Even smart people say dumb shit.
MLK is not the king of black folks. I really could care less about what he thought about my personal life. :-/
 
Im not unfamiliar with the phenomenon of Carribeans and African blacks having seriously prejudiced attitudes about black Americans. It's a well documented problem and the venom in your post tells me you definitely have a problem with the brothers south of the border.


I have no burning desire to cry out "nigga". I already said that earlier, I pretty much use it exclusively when quoting a rhyme or a line of dialogue.

But..."you people" "absolutely disgusting filth?" woah.
You honestly sound like the black pundits FoxNews brings on to say the kind of things a non-blacks cant say without exposing themselves as bigots.

I don't even. Are you being serious right now?

You people
: In reference to the people who believe saying Nigga or Nigger is okay.
Absolutely disgusting filth: Um...the word Nigga/Nigger?
Hating black Americans: Unbelievable. You got me! I hate black people!

The only people I hate are those that makes others live harder. And specifically in this case, the gangsta wannabe's running around acting like idiots. And I wouldn't even say hate. More like pity. People are a product of their environment and social upbringing. Sure. Black family's were and have been broken for a long time, resulting in lost children and crime. Sure. So what is being done about it? There is no movement in the Black American community to put education and....well, community as number one. Nah. It's the story of the gangster who rose up to become a rapstar that everyone chases after. The very few of the few.

I think MLK would be proUd of me. I'm highly educated, have a decent job, married, child, and a homeowner. Saying nigga when I'm with buddies won't take that away from me.
And you're still in mental bondage. You use that around your children?

Yes and no. As I said, it's all about intent, not spelling. They aren't two different words at all. If 'Nigga' was totally devoid of any racial subtext then nobody would bat an eyelid if white people said it. It isn't, it's just Nigger in a new (supposedly empowered) coat.

I understand how people can use the original word in different contexts, I'm just not on board with changing the spelling and pretending it's a totally different word. I accept that might be a pointless distinction to make or care about.

I'd also like to stress that I have absolutely no desire to say the word in either of it's forms.


This kinda goes hand in hand with what I'm saying. Notice how none of these terms changed spelling. They're much more 'up-front' about reclaiming the exact word, not creating an acceptable copy.
Gay people refer to themselves as faggots all the time. And women have been calling themselves "bitch" for ages (the Meredith Brooks song is over a decade old). I've never been called a "nigger" by another black person, though.
Yes you have. Nigga!

When have I ever argued that was appropriate?
Then why do you think it's okay to use?
 
MLK is not the king of black folks. I really could care less about what he thought about my personal life. :-/

But you're taking the word back! The suffering and fighting he and other people did for us to be even thought of as maybe equal was for you to be able to use the very same word!

Crush Dance has a white knight. (pardon the pun) cute.

Oh my god! Really? That's it? So what are you. The dark knight? If so, then I'm going to keep poking at you. Because you can take it.
 
How about you quote me saying that going up to random dudes and saying "what's up my nigga" is appropriate.
Don't turn your bullshit on with me. You told crushed its ok to use and to deal with it. So ya that kind of makes me think your down with using the word. You are real good at scurrying out of shit arnt ya? You take crush word for word and now are turning this into "I don't say it to random black dudes" when you know damn well this convo is about ANY kind of usage of nigga.

You can't bullshit me baybee.
 
I've got a really English accent, so even if I wanted to say, it I wouldn't be able to without sounding stupid.

Kinda like ass, I can't say it in a cool way, it just comes out as arse.
 
And you're still in mental bondage. You use that around your children?





Then why do you think it's okay to use?

It does not have the same meaning anymore. Before we go on, do you understand that. When a black person refers to another black person as nigga, it is not meant to be used to tear that person down. Do you understand this?
Don't turn your bullshit on with me. You told crushed its ok to use and to deal with it. So ya that kind of makes me think your down with using the word. You are real good at scurrying out of shit arnt ya? You take crush word for word and now are turning this into "I don't say it to random black dudes" when you know damn well this convo is about ANY kind of usage of nigga.

You can't bullshit me baybee.
Of course I think its ok to use in the proper context. I've said that multiple times.
 
Crush Dance has a white knight. (pardon the pun) cute.
Ya real mature I am advocating the advancement of African Americans and not using the word nigga. And you got stupid ass Lil jokes. Both you fools are just that, fools. I am goin to bed enjoy your ignorance. It is bliss after all.
 
I don't even. Are you being serious right now?

You people
: In reference to the people who believe saying Nigga or Nigger is okay.
Absolutely disgusting filth: Um...the word Nigga/Nigger?
Hating black Americans: Unbelievable. You got me! I hate black people!

The only people I hate are those that makes others live harder. And specifically in this case, the gangsta wannabe's running around acting like idiots. And I wouldn't even say hate. More like pity. People are a product of their environment and social upbringing. Sure. Black family's were and have been broken for a long time, resulting in lost children and crime. Sure. So what is being done about it? There is no movement in the Black American community to put education and....well, community as number one.Nah. It's the story of the gangster who rose up to become a rapstar that everyone chases after. The very few of the few.
this is like, a right winger's caricature of black america. This is the kind of shit pastor Jesse Lee Peterson of FoxNews fame says about black America. so I think I'll stand by what I said.
 
This will probably sound a bit meta, but I think it simply doesn't matter if you use the word or not, because language itself is an evolutionary process and words lose and/or change their meaning through time.
What is important is the notion behind the words!

So: If you want to express your dislike of black people, by all means don't say the word. But the problem was never about the word to begin with.
 
It does not have the same meaning anymore. Before we go on, do you understand that. When a black person refers to another black person as nigga, it is not meant to be used to tear that person down. Do you understand this?

Yes I do. 100%. But I am saying that it does have the same effect and for me at-least, it really made me question why I used the term and why the "cool kids" used the term. If someone is saying/receiving that word from their friends: "Nigga". What happens when a racist calls them a "Nigger"? There is a serious mental disconnect going on there. And I personally feel that black people have fallen in a trap of their own making.

this is like, a right winger's caricature of black america. This is the kind of shit pastor Jesse Lee Peterson of FoxNews fame says about black America. so I think I'll stand by what I said.

QUESTION: After segregation and "The end of racism" with O'bama. How are black people in America doing?

Edit: I'll make it easier for you. Just tell the truth.

How many role models do black people have in America that are not in the fewest of the few top positions entertainment wise? How many black scientists, educators, inventors, musicians do you learn about in school. Compared to Caucasian ones? I am not denying that black people have been given the short end of the stick and are STILL continually being done so. But at what point does one realize that the society they're in quite literally doesn't value them and rise to do something about that? Start investing in their communities and becoming that role model? Nobody is born a leader or a steward of faith and belief. Everyone has to work and earn it. I am saying that the culture in the "black commmunity" is broken. There is nothing wrong with it, but it is broken. Nobody is dragging away black fathers kicking and screaming from their children these days. Nobody is saying black people can't go to school. And yet "we" are still lacking behind. Why?

It is the sinister idea that we are still somehow slaves. Still "inferior", still too stupid, incapable of learning. And "we" wholeheartedly accept that. I am saying that the word "Nigga" is a part of that problem that needs to be addressed. Bill Cosby tried speaking out about that and what happened? He was largely ignored. Yet when someone calls a black person a nigger or injustice is carried out against a black person, everyone rallies. Why can't people rally to raise their communities and take it back? Why is it that people only wait until someones hate breaks a life that they act? You may have been insulted. Denied a job. Denied equal treatment. Denied even love. But what did you do about it? Did you rally to bridge connections? Sought to start your own business? Took any job to support your children's education?

OR did you say: "The man is keeping me down. There is too much racism, why bother?"

Because I will tell you that those words are ingrained in the minds of way too many black people. It is incredibly dangerous and a big reason why "we" suffer so much. because we do not believe in ourselves. We do not respect ourselves or deem ourselves worthy and capable. Calling another black person a "Nigga" or "nigger" is downright demeaning and insults all the people that fought against such bigotry.
 
Ya real mature I am advocating the advancement of African Americans and not using the word nigga. And you got stupid ass Lil jokes. Both you fools are just that, fools. I am goin to bed enjoy your ignorance. It is bliss after all.

nah. you attacked me for being polemic in my posts, then you started to cheerlead for the most polemic poster of the last few pages. you are full of shit and Im just pointing that out.
 
Yes I do. 100%. But I am saying that it does have the same effect and for me at-least, it really made me question why I used the term and why the "cool kids" used the term. If someone is saying/receiving that word from their friends: "Nigga". What happens when a racist calls them a "Nigger"? There is a serious mental disconnect going on there. And I personally feel that black people have fallen in a trap of their own making.

Ok, we're calm now. Good. Thats what I mean when I say context matters. Is it the same if a childhood friend calls and says "Nigga you coming to the club tonight?" and when someone not black goes "You niggers are not welcomed in this club!" ? Do those words mean the same to you? I understand where you are coming from, I do, but I honestly believe that these are 2 seperate words with 2 distinct meanings.
 
nah. you attacked me for being polemic in my posts, then you started to cheerlead for the most polemic poster of the last few pages. you are full of shit and Im just pointing that out.
I attacked you because you got a problem with whites. And its beyond obvious from your post history. Read back 4 pages I am not full of shit. I was posting same things then. Go back to making passive aggressive bullshit posts and borderline trolling. I ll be glad when I see banned under your name. It may take half a year, but it'll happen.

And crushed was making valid points. Then you attack him calling him racist and disgusting. When both terms actually apply to you. Again will be glad when you are gone.
 
I don't use it to address people but I do listen to a lot of rap music, so I do say it when I'm vocalizing along with the track. And there is a difference between the two terms, of course. In the words of Tupac:
Niggers was the ones on the rope, hanging off the thing; niggas is the ones with gold ropes, hanging out at clubs.
 
Everyone here says it. A lot. My best mate can't go a sentence without saying it.

But then again, we are in a rural south UK town, with a ton of chavs in a society completely detached from one in America that would use the term.

I've reguarly seen kids no older than 12 using the word excessively in my town, none of them black.
 
I don't use it to address people but I do listen to a lot of rap music, so I do say it when I'm vocalizing along with the track. And there is a difference between the two terms, of course. In the words of Tupac:
2pac my favorite artist , still dumb fuck word to use.
 
Ok, we're calm now. Good. Thats what I mean when I say context matters. Is it the same if a childhood friend calls and says "Nigga you coming to the club tonight?" and when someone not black goes "You niggers are not welcomed in this club!" ? Do those words mean the same to you? I understand where you are coming from, I do, but I honestly believe that these are 2 seperate words with 2 distinct meanings.

Again, given that it's about context and not spelling, why change the spelling?

Would you freak if a childhood friend said "Nigger you coming to the club tonight?"

Would you be cool if the non-black guy said "You niggas are not welcomed in this club!"

That's the only bit I don't get. How do you even hear the spelling when the word is spoken?

I know it seems like a stupid thing to care about but the psychology behind it all interests me.
 
Again, given that it's about context and not spelling, why change the spelling?

Would you freak if a childhood friend said "Nigger you coming to the club tonight?"

Would you be cool if the non-black guy said "You niggas are not welcomed in this club!"

That's the only bit I don't get. How do you even hear the spelling when the word is spoken?


I know it seems like a stupid thing to care about but the psychology behind it all interests me.

You serious? There is a clear difference. Its not stupid to care about, I get it. It's a weird American thing.
 
Ok, we're calm now. Good. Thats what I mean when I say context matters. Is it the same if a childhood friend calls and says "Nigga you coming to the club tonight?" and when someone not black goes "You niggers are not welcomed in this club!" ? Do those words mean the same to you? I understand where you are coming from, I do, but I honestly believe that these are 2 seperate words with 2 distinct meanings.

I'm not saying that anytime someone calls me a nigga, I flip out. No. But I find it incredibly disturbing when people start saying it all care free and innocently. There is serious history behind the word. And whether you believe that Nigga and nigger are *truly* different. You cannot deny that one stems from the other. And anything that grows out of wickedness is to be cut down.

CrushDance girls call each other sluts/whores in a sarcastic joking manner >_>. Just fyi.

I go clubbing with female friends occasionally. I talk to them. I know. People call eachother silyl words all the time. That is just a given. But for me, the word Nigger and Nigga are much more grievous. It does not just cover a gender, sexual orientation, or anything of the sort. Not trying to trivialize those issues. But it is different and much more difficul, if I amy say so; to call a girla slut or say someone is gay assuredly and without people giving you questioning looks. But it is much, much easier to label an entire group of people and from that point alone; colour; write them off.

I find black people using that word frankly disturbing. Because to me, it really, really seems like they're brainwashed. No offense to anyone in this thread. I mean if I knew a girl was raped for dressing a certain way, or even if I didn't; I would never call her a slut. Even if she regained her sexuality and slept around, I did not live her life or experience it. SO yes, I can see where some posters are coming from about "Taking it back" or "owning" it. But that only works if you're actually doing something by taking it back. The vast majority of people I see using it are: A) Not black where I'm from, B) Aren't exactly going anywhere in life fast. If you want to take it back, fine. Say it all you want. If you're the CEO of your own company or lead a stable, contributing life. You can say it alllll you want. But don't walk around doing jack all with pants down to your ankles and saying "Nigga". People didn't die for you to waste freedom.

nah. you attacked me for being polemic in my posts, then you started to cheerlead for the most polemic poster of the last few pages. you are full of shit and Im just pointing that out.

Answer the question or keep being theignoramus.
 
I rarely use either version of the word, but I do use them. I'm white and I've used them in front of black people. I grew up in a up and coming neighborhood we'll say, and no I don't think that gives me some special dispensation to use those words, but where i grew up people joke around and talk a lot of shit and if they are directing it at me I don't filter because of white guilt or because I might offend someone. Often I joke around and go into characters, a couple of them are pretty racist. It makes me laugh.
 
You serious? There is a clear difference. Its not stupid to care about, I get it. It's a weird American thing.

But that comes from the intent, not the spelling, surely?

I feel it's silly for me to care about it because I'm a white guy in the UK. No matter when or how the word is used, it doesn't affect me. My interest is far more linguistic than it is political.


CrushDance girls call each other sluts/whores in a sarcastic joking manner >_>. Just fyi.
The nastiest gay slurs I've ever heard have come out of the mouths of gay people.
 
I attacked you because you got a problem with whites. And its beyond obvious from your post history. Read back 4 pages I am not full of shit. I was posting same things then. Go back to making passive aggressive bullshit posts and borderline trolling. I ll be glad when I see banned under your name. It may take half a year, but it'll happen.

And crushed was making valid points. Then you attack him calling him racist and disgusting. When both terms actually apply to you. Again will be glad when you are gone.

LOL. you have 40 posts to my 15 in this thread. let the salt flow.
 
I'm not saying that anytime someone calls me a nigga, I flip out. No. But I find it incredibly disturbing when people start saying it all care free and innocently. There is serious history behind the word. And whether you believe that Nigga and nigger are *truly* different. You cannot deny that one stems from the other. And anything that grows out of wickedness is to be cut down.

I just like the idea of taking a hateful word and taking all of the evil out. Taking it back, I guess. The way we use nigga is more along the lines of dude, bro, etc. And it didn't start with this generation, either. Its been used in that way for decades.
 
Anyway I said my piece. Ignoramus really bothers me he attacks multiple posters then weasles away like a rat claiming he is calling me out on my bullshit. A quick read through this guys post history is cringe worthy. Everyone else at least maintained a semblance of respect. Most of you at least. Posters like that crawl underneath my skin. They say just enough not to get banned, but you can see something ain't right about them. Time will tell I suppose.

Edit, above post ... Exactly. At least I had points. You just attack people and show how passive aggressive you can be. Night everyone.
 
All about the context.

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Exactly. It can be used just fine without being weird or questionable, given the right environment and placement.
 
My dad had a lot of black friends from the bad side of life, so I grew up hearing the word a lot, and when your dad is a white guy that's calling all his black friends "nigger" you don't realize it's usually a bad word until way too late.
 
The nastiest gay slurs I've ever heard have come out of the mouths of gay people.

Same with some insults towards women honestly. You ever do that slow head turn when you hear it too? Like you're trying to find the face to what you just heard and possibly ask them to repeat themselves because you can't believe your own fucking ears.
 
Will never say this word again after my idiot friend started blasting "The Nigga Song" in a sports stadium parking lot occupied predominantly by black people. We literally had to restrain him like a psycho patient when he desperately tried to roll down the window -_-.
 
CrushDance girls call each other sluts/whores in a sarcastic joking manner >_>. Just fyi.

Hmm, let's say a group of said girls were hanging on a street corner calling each other whores and a guy strolling past happened to join in. What's the likelihood he'd be beaten into a coma?
 
Same with some insults towards women honestly. You ever do that slow head turn when you hear it too? Like you're trying to find the face to what you just heard and possibly ask them to repeat themselves because you can't believe your own fucking ears.

My wife's best friend is a gay male, and the first time I hung out with him and his friends with my wife was like a culture shock. Fag this, bitch that. Shit was crazy. Caught me off guard.

I'm off to bed, this cough syrup is making me woozy. Want to continue this tomorrow, though.
 
LOL. you have 40 posts to my 15 in this thread. let the salt flow.


Anyway I said my piece. Ignoramus really bothers me he attacks multiple posters then weasles away like a rat claiming he is calling me out on my bullshit. A quick read through this guys post history is cringe worthy. Everyone else at least maintained a semblance of respect. Most of you at least. Posters like that crawl underneath my skin. They say just enough not to get banned, but you can see something ain't right about them. Time will tell I suppose.

Edit, above post ... Exactly. At least I had points. You just attack people and show how passive aggressive you can be. Night everyone.

Pretty much. Dude is dodging like hell. I may be wrong, you may be wrong, everyone here may be "Wrong". But we're discussing and hashing it out. His drive-by dismissive statements aren't contributing anything.

I just like the idea of taking a hateful word and taking all of the evil out. Taking it back, I guess. The way we use nigga is more along the lines of dude, bro, etc. And it didn't start with this generation, either. Its been used in that way for decades.

I wasn't raised in the states. I was raised in a pretty quite, 100% Caucasian small town in Canada/ So my experience is toalyl different from yours. But I remember always watching the news when I was younger, saw the dragging death of James Byrd on CNN. It haunted me for so long and I was afraid to go outside, to meet white people for so long. And this didn't even happen in Canada! So I knew what the word meant and still used it several times when I was younger. But one day I just said: "Why am I saying nigga when that word has been used negatively against people like me?" I felt embarrassed and really stupid at that point. Look, if you're doing good by yourself, I won't judge you personally. I don't know you well enough to do that. But to be perfectly honest, when I hear someone say that word; my opinion of them does drop quite severely. Regardless of colour. I've suffered under that term too painfully to see it as a good thing. And it confuses me that those of you in America find it so easy to say.

Will never say this word again after my idiot friend started blasting "The Nigga Song" in a sports stadium parking lot occupied predominantly by black people. We literally had to restrain him like a psycho patient when he desperately tried to roll down the window -_-.

This is funny on a couple levels but sad on many others.

Hmm, let's say a group of said girls were hanging on a street corner calling each other whores and a guy strolling past happened to join in. What's the likelihood he'd be beaten into a coma?

Eh. I see what you're saying, but it came out wrong :P This goes back to what some people have been saying of "Only black people can use it without fear of retribution". Women can use it much more freely. But I doubt many other women would see them as being respectable and or if a woman walking by had been a victim of abuse due to her gender or dress...yeah.

My wife's best friend is a gay male, and the first time I hung out with him and his friends with my wife was like a culture shock. Fag this, bitch that. Shit was crazy. Caught me off guard.

I'm off to bed, this cough syrup is making me woozy. Want to continue this tomorrow, though.
Goodnight!
 
Anyway I said my piece. Ignoramus really bothers me he attacks multiple posters then weasles away like a rat claiming he is calling me out on my bullshit. A quick read through this guys post history is cringe worthy. Everyone else at least maintained a semblance of respect. Most of you at least. Posters like that crawl underneath my skin. They say just enough not to get banned, but you can see something ain't right about them. Time will tell I suppose.
If you take everything on the internet with this much seriousness you're going be suffering some serious hemorrhaging in no time. Calm down, and welcome to the internet.
 
If you take everything on the internet with this much seriousness you're going be suffering some serious hemorrhaging in no time. Calm down, and welcome to the internet.
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You add nothing to this post. Welcome to internet . Sentry don't give me lessons, some ppl deserve to get called out. Not everything is a joke but thnx for the 4chan nothin over a computer should bother you internet welcome. Sarcastic bastard :)

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Should of 1CC'd this thread when I had the chance. Way to undercore for this thread.
 
I only "use" the word when i sing along with Hip-Hop played at home or in my car.
And since i hardly listen to hip-hop anymore, i never use the word anymore.
 
Yes and no. As I said, it's all about intent, not spelling. They aren't two different words at all. If 'Nigga' was totally devoid of any racial subtext then nobody would bat an eyelid if white people said it. It isn't, it's just Nigger in a new (supposedly empowered) coat.
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This is thing, you're half way to explaining my point

When the word nigger/nigga was said in a positive light I have no idea how it was spelt, I guess it was said more than it was written. But since about the 70/80's it's always been spelt nigga, to remove from the then negative stigma it had previously.

The intent is exemplified through the spelling.

If I see a tag on the wall saying "Niggers" with a gun underneath it, I would be more inclined to be angry...if I see "Niggas" with the same gun underneath it, I'm bound to think it's blacks/latinos tagging a wall with some gang shit, or something- not derogatory.

You might not understand it, but it's evident through history, I think you are being complex for no reason mate.
 
I don't use the word. I've heard other black people use it as sort of like Sup bro. Wouldn't use nigger due to political correctness. Even if I was joking or being sarcastic. Still wouldn't use it. Someone could take it the wrong way.
All about the context.

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Definitely.
 
This is thing, you're half way to explaining my point

When the word nigger/nigga was said in a positive light I have no idea how it was spelt, I guess it was said more than it was written. But since about the 70/80's it's always been spelt nigga, to remove from the then negative stigma it had previously.

The intent is exemplified through the spelling.
That seems eminently reasonable. I still think it's a pointless distinction that serves no purpose but if everyone else agrees on it, it is what it is. That's language.

If I see a tag on the wall saying "Niggers" with a gun underneath it, I would be more inclined to be angry...if I see "Niggas" with the same gun underneath it, I'm bound to think it's blacks/latinos tagging a wall with some gang shit, or something- not derogatory.

You might not understand it, but it's evident through history, I think you are being complex for no reason mate.

Story of my fucking life :(

The missus won't watch TV with me because I constantly want to know the underlying motives of every action committed by every character in every show. My brain gets bored and thinks about all kinds of unnecessary shit.
 
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