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In 1980, around 52% of the voting age populated voted. In 2012, 54% of the voting age population voted.
Who knows what happens when/if a substantial majority of people actually vote in this country.
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What do you think Hillary's game plan will be come general election time?
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Who knows what happens when/if a substantial majority of people actually vote in this country.
In 1980, around 52% of the voting age populated voted. In 2012, 54% of the voting age population voted.
Who knows what happens when/if a substantial majority of people actually vote in this country.
We do know... Sanders would win.
But until compulsory voting comes about (which is never), why care about what if's that will never come true?
What if aliens landed on the White House lawn and shared a joint and a 6 pack with Obama?
AstroZombie
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Primariea are drawing record turnouts but Trump is Romney. Reality check time.
Primariea are drawing record turnouts but Trump is Romney. Reality check time.
But they're not actually registering new Republicans, and primary turn out has never really been an indicator of GE turnout.
I think this is pretty accurate:
Michael Cohen ‏@speechboy71
It's interesting how many pundits are saying "don't underestimate Trump" w/an argument that relies fully on underestimating Hillary Clinton
Ronald Reagan won in a landslide by winning 56% of white voters. Romney got his ass handed to him by winning 60% of white voters. Turnout doesn't get much better than that and the white vote would need to turn out in unprecedented numbers.
Who is to say it won't with Trump in the race? It's not likely but Trump has name recognition. He might be able to build on Romney's numbers with white people.
What do you think Hillary's game plan will be come general election time?
1. Assume an air of entitlement.
2. Preach condescendingly
3. ???
4. Collect the crown
balladofwindfishes
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Who is to say it won't with Trump in the race? It's not likely but Trump has name recognition. He might be able to build on Romney's numbers with white people.
What about Hillary's name recognition?
Hillary cant have a gameplan against a guy who is going to call her a loser, shush her and scream over her like a fucking maniac. anytime Hillary will call him a misogynist he will shrug and say something even more sexist and gain 5 points more in the polls.
By the end of it all he'll be +475 points over her!
Dark Ninja
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Being the lesser of two evils. It's the Simpsons episode come to life.
Abinash117
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i think this is a pretty accurate portrayal of how it might go down. To win the nomination Trump just has to propose crazy shit. To win the general hes going to cause conflict within Hillarys/Democrat coalition. He doesnt need more votes, they just need less.
How are you going cause conflict within the party were she is near universally supported by the Democrat party and overwhelming support among Democratic voters?
Calamari41
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If Trump does this, or plays the Monica card, Big Dog is gonna go thermonuclear on his ass.
Trump called him a rapist earlier this year after Hillary called Trump a sexist, and neither Clinton has mentioned Trump in a meaningful way since.
JesseEwiak
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The thing is, there's a ton of shady shit that for some reason, the GOP hasn't nailed Trump on. I'd have to find it, but on a right leaning site, a guy had a whole list of stuff he was pissed off at Rubio or Bush or whomever not pointing out.
When people write stuff like this about Hillary (even Dems) I now just assume they're sexist pigs who think a woman who's both driven and successful must be a bitch. I mean, in just this country we've got literally 200 years of men (including our current president) doing the same things and I've never seen comments like this written about them.1. Assume an air of entitlement.
2. Preach condescendingly
3. ???
4. Collect the crown
Lord Fagan
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Trump called him a rapist earlier this year after Hillary called Trump a sexist, and neither Clinton has mentioned Trump in a meaningful way since.
Probably holding off for the general when more of the electorate pays attention, and he tries to become more moderate. Then they can highlight not only his vulgarity, but his hypocrisy and capriciousness as well.
eBay Huckster
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Trump isnt just pandering to the republican base. He is bringing in new voters. His appeal is to regular white people, not just racist white people. Go out and talk to your friends and family and coworkers. You will be surprised to see how many like him.
Trump will likely lose to Hilary but he isnt just popular with racists.
democratic registrations were up way higher than republican registrations in both iowa and nevada
it's more likely that existing GOPer turnout is finally getting back to participating in the primaries after two consecutive cycles of "fuck it they're gonna nominate a fuckin' RINO stooge anyway"
Frozenprince
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Not piss off the biggest voter base in the biggest and most important counties in the most important state in the election.
Really just not be Cruz or Trump.
Edit: Trump is not generating "new voters" he's generating a higher primary turnout, to vote in a primary you have to either be registered with that party or have a vested interest in that party since you can't vote in both (pretty sure this is in every state, might be wrong). His surge in the primary has nothing to do with how he'll run in a general.
Really just not be Cruz or Trump.
Edit: Trump is not generating "new voters" he's generating a higher primary turnout, to vote in a primary you have to either be registered with that party or have a vested interest in that party since you can't vote in both (pretty sure this is in every state, might be wrong). His surge in the primary has nothing to do with how he'll run in a general.
Frozenprince
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This isn't my first presidential election on GAF. It's not even my second.
Fact is, the excitement level for Hillary is incredibly depressed compared to either Obama election cycle. Not even in the same ballpark.
Well yeah because back then there was hope.
It's been beaten out of everybody with lead pipes in the 8 years since.
DO YOU HAVE NO HOPE?Well yeah because back then there was hope.
It's been beaten out of everybody with lead pipes in the 8 years since.
HAVE YOU BEEN HIT OVER THE HEAD WITH A PIPE FOR 8 YEARS?
HILLARY IS THE CANDIDATE FOR YOU!
Boombloxer
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Clinton will need to overcome her perception issues. Her previous lies and current investigations will be character issues she will need a strategy to defend. Once she gets that under control she can think about defending her policy stances.
I believe Trump would tear through her in the general. Bernie doesn't have the character issues Hillary does and can work on defending policy from the start. Bernie has a much higher probability of coming not ahead in the general.
I needed a laugh this morning, thanks.
Hilary doesn't have anywhere near the perception issues that Trump does, is better on policy than anyone else in the field and can debate. She'll take every state that Obama did at minimum.
I don't see republican turnout being any better than it was in 2012. A lot of people saw that as their last stand against a tyrant president ready to usher in 1000 years of darkness.
This too.
Edit: Trump is not generating "new voters" he's generating a higher primary turnout, to vote in a primary you have to either be registered with that party or have a vested interest in that party since you can't vote in both (pretty sure this is in every state, might be wrong). His surge in the primary has nothing to do with how he'll run in a general.
Also this. I see a lot of posts about Trump going HAM in the general when there's literally no reason to think this. Romney and McCain were both better, more qualified candidates, won the white male vote and lost everywhere else.
Trump will do better than that? Nah.
I have no doubt Hillary would destroy Trump in a true debate about facts, state of the country, foreign policies, budget, education, healthcare, gun control and whatever else is really needed to govern a country.
Trump will have none of that bullshit, however, and his insulting/crazyness/complete disregard for anything intelligible may be able to bring him victory in the eyes of the people.
It's gonna be great to watch for sure!
Trump will have none of that bullshit, however, and his insulting/crazyness/complete disregard for anything intelligible may be able to bring him victory in the eyes of the people.
It's gonna be great to watch for sure!
Sho_Nuff82
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I know we often discuss people living in bubbles, but I think some people are in for a stone cold shock when they see how well some of Trump's policy points go over in a room that's not filled with conservatives. Or if Hilary's campaign team plays dirty again and starts bringing up his retweeting of white power organizations.
Sanders has a better chance than Hillary of winning Ohio and potentially other key battleground states.
Sanders absorbs a lot of the appeal that Trump has. Hillary has none of it, so she is the most in danger of failing to capture the enthusiasm from independents and the far left.
She'll still win, but it would require a more delicate balancing act than Bernie who will slaughter Trump.
Sanders absorbs a lot of the appeal that Trump has. Hillary has none of it, so she is the most in danger of failing to capture the enthusiasm from independents and the far left.
She'll still win, but it would require a more delicate balancing act than Bernie who will slaughter Trump.
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