What does Microsoft need to do to make Xbox successful again?
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Caffeine
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they need to focus on bringing in higher numbers in software and taking chances on new things.
do digital software wrapped xbox and xbox 360 bc on the consoles and pc.
push all your software on steam on the pc side as thats where the money is.
stop trying to focus too much on hardware sales as the xbox is just a cheap and easy entrance into their software market.
they focus too much on the second half the year too.
do digital software wrapped xbox and xbox 360 bc on the consoles and pc.
push all your software on steam on the pc side as thats where the money is.
stop trying to focus too much on hardware sales as the xbox is just a cheap and easy entrance into their software market.
they focus too much on the second half the year too.
DriftingSpirit
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That doesn't change any of what I said. Tone down the hyperbole and you'll be fine. I'm not responding after this.
What post is this parodying? I assume the original was banned long ago.
momshotdad
Member
They need to kill the chief. The current status of Halo has become the entire status of Xbox. Let 343 do something else interesting for a game or two then reboot with a prequel.
miller.skippins
Banned
Yes, Microsoft has alot of money equal better products and eventual domination automatically ....
how's that Groove Music, Bing and Windows Phone domination coming along?
I replied to you twice. You ignored the second one somehow while quoting a ton of other posts.
Cthulhu_Steev
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lol, even this guy thinks MS are done with consoles.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
I see this brought up alot. Ask buyers of Gears 4 about how that works out. The MP on PC is desolate and they are constantly begging for complete crossplay with consoles. It'll never happen because of PC advantages in shooters. Xbox is always full of players on MP. Sorry, but that 'xbone is pointless because of PC' mantra is ridiculous.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Is dying product/service lines a topic you really want to raise when comparing the success of MS and Sony's businesses? :-
Like others stated, there's no chance this gen of MS making a comeback. The Asian developers have abandoned then, and the worldwide market too, except US and UK. It needs more variety and 1st party titles that aren't Halo, Forza or Gears of War. The FPS genre is getting very stale there
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Nintendo Xbox
hanspampel
Banned
Bing is doing fine now.
Turned around just like Playstation
Groove Musik is something I wouldn't even call a side Product / Service for Microsoft. Totally irrelevant.
Windows Phone failed, that is correct
RiccochetJ
Gold Member
How so? All I see are people getting impatient.
There's a serious lack of meaningful, exclusive games. Particularly after ReCore wound up being mediocre and they canceled Phantom Dust and Scalebound.
It's honestly not helped by Windows getting more games. I mean, on one hand I'm super glad - because I'd rather play them on PC - but you're not making me excited about Xbox by releasing games I don't need an Xbox to play.
It's honestly not helped by Windows getting more games. I mean, on one hand I'm super glad - because I'd rather play them on PC - but you're not making me excited about Xbox by releasing games I don't need an Xbox to play.
ResidentDante
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Snarky remark, real egdy. But then again since you're a PC expert:
You really should have an idea where MS earns it's main line of money, and which software it does so from.
odhiex
Member
I didn't know this before. So what is the point of having the "play anywhere" incentive without crossplay?
The most exciting part of the unified platforms to me is cross buy and cross play.
MilkyJoe
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He just said, PC players would be at an unfair advantage.
AHA-Lambda
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LuvOfThaGame
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Edit: thats why i said "complete crossplay". PC wants ranked crossplay where most verses modes are.
They have 1 mode called "Social" that they added crossplay to 2 months back but ranked almost certainly will never get it do to PC advantages. It's more for co-op experiences or cross saves. Unless they implement Keyboard/mouse fully on Xbox, i dont see PC ever getting full crossplay across all modes.
There IS crossplay. This is a shooter, so the competitive Mode does Not have crossplay. All other Mode are crossplay. Which makes sense. Its a shooter so PC Players would dominate console Players in a shooter.
Bitch Pudding
Member
To be fair, what a lot of us demand from MS is probably never going to happen.
Make them invest into new studios?
Give their existing ones the freedom to develop new IPs?
Yes, that does make sense (for us), but on the other hand, if you actually believe this is going to happen you haven't been paying attention at all the last couple of months.
The XBOX division is heading right into the opposite direction. And nothing I've heard or read here so far makes me think this is going to change. Whatever MS plans to make "XBOX great again" (as in: become the undisputed market leader on its home turf again), investing in their own studios doesn't seem to be a part of it.
Make them invest into new studios?
Give their existing ones the freedom to develop new IPs?
Yes, that does make sense (for us), but on the other hand, if you actually believe this is going to happen you haven't been paying attention at all the last couple of months.
The XBOX division is heading right into the opposite direction. And nothing I've heard or read here so far makes me think this is going to change. Whatever MS plans to make "XBOX great again" (as in: become the undisputed market leader on its home turf again), investing in their own studios doesn't seem to be a part of it.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Because they haven't announced new games a few months before their e3 presentaion to announce new games? Hu?
Wuthering_Heights
Banned
Have exclusives I actually want to play.
Ryse and Dead Rising are not enough to make me want to buy an Xbox One.
Ryse and Dead Rising are not enough to make me want to buy an Xbox One.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
They should rework the way they work an a relationship level.
There's countless story of them messing up relationship with third party developers big or small.
That would go a long way to better their situation. More exclusives, less cancelling also would help. They already cancelled 4 games that we know of. Most of them already deep into development and others in some very shady situations. Controlling and properly managing milestones and viability should also be a priority for them.
There's countless story of them messing up relationship with third party developers big or small.
That would go a long way to better their situation. More exclusives, less cancelling also would help. They already cancelled 4 games that we know of. Most of them already deep into development and others in some very shady situations. Controlling and properly managing milestones and viability should also be a priority for them.
miller.skippins
Banned
yes...which is services (office365, azure) and corporate software licensing (office, sql server, windows server, dynamics CRM, etc)....as it always have been. There's always MS bread and butter.
Hardware, consumer products? That's something MS TRIED to conquer but fail repeatedly.
I mean...i love google but i don't want google to be in every aspect of my life. Google are bad at doing hardware stuff (from nexus to pixel to whatever next without clear succession goals). Apple are clearly very good at hardware design but they can't maintain and update their in-house software & services (icloud, itunes, Final cut,etc) to save their lives.
Every companies got their niche, forte and weaknesses. MS as a company, is never a media & consumer centric company in my eyes and never will be.
Seeing MS entering the consumer market especially the video game market is like Oracle making video games....like.........' u wut m8?' type of WTF to me.
Again, i say this as a Enterprise IT person that handle MS business software.
eerik9000
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This was pointed out in another thread recently: At E3 2013, Phil Spencer (head of Microsoft Game Studios at that time) announced they are investing in 5 brand new studios to create blockbuster franchises for Xbox this generation.
Since that announcement, they have closed Lionhead Studios, Press Play, and sold back Twisted Pixel Games. They've turned Black Tusk Studios (which was mentioned as one of the five, despite being an old studio with a new name) into a Gears of War factory, and purchased Mojang as a Minecraft factory.
What are those "brand new studios"? Was it Mattrick's plan that was thrown out of the window with him? Or did they just flat out lie?
GTR R35_Supra RZ
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That's the %110 plan..which will happen and where inevitable domination takes over.
I literally can't wait fot 1080p/4k patches to current library in the likes of RE7, ME:A, RDR 2 and so on...🔥 levels are slowly rising.
Satya Nadella happened.
Bitch Pudding
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Nope. Because they didn't announce any new major games since State of Decay 2 and Forza Horizon 3 (surprise!) during E3 2016.
They cancelled Scalebound and Fable, and closed Lionhead studios and Press Play.
And they significantly reduced E3 floor space compared to last year, which is kinda odd if you keep in mind that they want to introduce Scorpio.
Futhermore, their remaining studios aren't exactly on a hiring spree, which would indicate the arrival of new products. And of course, GAFs very own industry insiders mentioned it's exceptional quiet around MS' next gaming projects.
OF COURSE those are all just indications and could mean nothing. But they all show in the same direction (unless you take Phil's tweets about the crucial importance of 1st party games into the equation); and where's smoke, there's fire (vice versa).
The Incarnation
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Talk bollocks while wearing a big red cap.
This is exactly how I feel. I bought my Xbox One late 2015, I only have NHL 16, Halo: MCC and Halo 5 on it. Feeling this must be the most worthless console purchase of my life. I just couldn't know at the time MS would start releasing all their big exclusives on Windows.
Now I just buy all the Xbox games like Forizon 3, Tomb Raider and Quantum Break on PC.
This thread was a mistake.
Always-honest
Banned
As soon as they have amazing exclusives that look amazing (on par or better than PS PRO) then they will be fine. I don't have much faith in this. But i hope they can pull it off.
xochipiltontli
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They need to put some serious work into their first party efforts, though I don't think they care enough to do this. Halo/Gears/Forza has its fans, but they need something fresh and exciting to draw more people in. A system is usually only able to leave an impression in the market either when the market leader fucks up badly, or if it gets some sort of earth shattering game that makes a big splash with the mainstream that you can't find anywhere else. See Super Mario Bros on NES, Tetris on Game Boy, Sonic the Hedgehog on Genesis, Pokemon singlehandedly keeping the GB alive for like 5 more years after it should have died, Halo letting the Xbox push past the Gamecube, Wii Sports, etc.
LiquidSolid
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If I were to guess I'd say he was probably referring to Black Tusk, Lift London (founded in 2012, off making Hololens stuff now), Press Play (acquired in 2012, closed in 2016), Twisted Pixel (acquired in 2011, left in 2015) and Good Science (founded in 2009 as Spawnpoint, renamed later on, off making Hololens stuff now).
miller.skippins
Banned
yeah...that post is some dark knight rising's bane's level of delusion.....the fire is rising? What is this? A tale of 2 cities? LOL.
yeah.....asia & europe's gonna buy xbox because of teraflops.
/S
Yrlesh Raven
Neo Member
They need to bring more variety into their lineup. How is it that they don't have a single platform exclusive JRPG? I kind of predicted this was gonna happen so I went with PS4 instead this gen. I still own my 360 with a few gems like: Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon and Tales of Vesperia. They need to bring more of this and in addition, they should put more effort into their marketing cause the huge problem with JRPG's is that they don't sell well on Xbox.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
Yeah...They did when it was gflops. 🙄
ResidentDante
Member
Your remarks sound like an angry Sony fanboy in the PS2 era. We're in Xbox's third gen, get over it.
MS has been interested and supported gaming on their Windows platforms waaaay before Xbox anyhow and you should know this. They have also supported gaming with lots of peripherals before the Xbox brand too. Trying to make out they're new in the game and without knowledge in 2017 is childish and uneducated of the industry.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Well, I suppose because the XBOX division hasn't access to MS' unlimited war chest. JRPG on XBOX were a tough sell even during the XBOX360 days. It's almost pointless this time around (from a sheer financial point of view), considering that not even SE can be bothered to port some of theirs to the platform, let alone their footstep in the Japanese market.
You sure XBOX360 had a good run because of "power"? I mean, I bought mine because of Forza and Gears, new IPs which were just mindblowingly good back in the day.
tired_inspector
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They need to hire Itagaki, Sakaguchi and Futatsugi again (at least).
Suburban Thug
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No, 360 made a dent into Sonys ridiculous marketshare because of the PS3 debacle but it isn't the only reason why MS was successful last gen. They need to focus on the games again, and not just 3 franchises. Where are the summer of arcade promotions? Where are neat interactive games like 1 vs 100? Where are the Japanese moneyhat rpgs? Where are the quirky titles like Viva Piñata and Banjo?
MS has stepped up in terms of their "free" game offering to Xbox One owners but I'm still annoyed they started this pay for P2P on console crap. Still, the DRM bullshit and Mattrick comments did irreparable damage. For example, I used to be an Xbox and Nintendo guy last gen but moved towards Sony following E3 2013. They lost my business, possibly forever, and I know I'm not the only person out there like this.
Their own line of gaming PCs, with one "cheap as a console" option.
Another idea, make an exclusive deal with Capcom and ressurect some of their old/dead IPs from under served genres (make a 3D Unsquad for example, or a new Final Fight in the veins of Yakuza, maybe a spin-off from a JRPG like Breath of Fire, etc).
Another idea, make an exclusive deal with Capcom and ressurect some of their old/dead IPs from under served genres (make a 3D Unsquad for example, or a new Final Fight in the veins of Yakuza, maybe a spin-off from a JRPG like Breath of Fire, etc).