What is it about the Xbox Series S that worries developers?
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SportsFan581
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If you look at the data most of them aren't moving up to consoles, no. If they were you'd have growth to match population growth on average.
No growth is dying, slowly or otherwise. I'm not afraid of anything (I've got no skin in the game), just stating the obvious.
Blue Spring
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I think you misunderstood. I know that Sony is still selling their console at $300.Maybe because Sony says they do lol.
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I asked you, why its still selling at $300. Why are people still buyng it at $300?
Who says Microsoft is doing a pro after last time lol. I think they rather dump that money in more studios for content.
Agnostic2020
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oh damn
Bryank75
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Yup, that was my thinking and I just came off the DF video that said that the manufacturers will not get the savings they used to on hardware over the course of this generation.
So, I assume this is signalling Xbox going software only / streaming.
Little point to buy into their hardware now.
Blue Spring
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I did not mean afraid as in having skin in the game or anything. Just a way of phrasing.
Agnostic2020
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Keihart
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i've been thinking exactly this since gamepass and their exclusives but not really plan, xbox s just makes it even more obvious, they are getting ready to jump ship really hard.
Bryank75
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iD again, those boys ain't happy!
vdopey
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These Salty Devs, all of them must be on Sony paychecks, how dare they speak out, don't they know its all about 1080p Gaming, I mean come on, 4K is super expensive ...
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsun...tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6401722.p?skuId=6401722 65" 4K Samsung $500 is just too much
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-43-4k-uhd-tv-smart-led-with-hdr/6406899.p?skuId=6406899 $220 for a 43" no name brand
Now this is more like it:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsun...ull-hd-smart-tizen-tv/6360291.p?skuId=6360291 Samsung Glorious 1080p and only $250
its all about the 1080p and 2013 ...
DeepEnigma
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Maybe because Sony says they do lol.
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If they are so concerned put thier money where mouth is tell thier boss only PS5 development or we quit. If they can't hack it like the indy guys on series x I get it people get burned out. Good thing they were not around for the nes days or god help them Atari days.
They are voicing their concerns, no need for any extremism theatrics like a child would do.
Panajev2001a
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fran.fernandez
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This really sound like mobile development now.
gpu is not only resolution, you need to balance shaders calculations, vertex data, samples and memory. Many times scaling down doesn't work, you need to create some lod shaders, multi compile or doing some magic sending data / batching.
Simple, X and S difference won't be only res.
gpu is not only resolution, you need to balance shaders calculations, vertex data, samples and memory. Many times scaling down doesn't work, you need to create some lod shaders, multi compile or doing some magic sending data / batching.
Simple, X and S difference won't be only res.
Vawn
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Nope. And most won't get the full power out of the X because of having to account for the S. The S will probably hurt the PS5 too, which is unfortunate.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
This has no effect on PS5 at all. Any third party that doesn't like Xbox development can drop that development and focus exclusively on the PS5. That would certainly get MS's attention and maybe they'll drop out of consoles like so many want here. The XSS will be a great entry point for people who don't have lots of money. That can grow the market and more money for the industry some of us love. Good news all around. I'm looking forward to this generation.
Tchu-Espresso
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They are lying. There is a handful of devs who are vocal in how the machine is hamstrung.
Your horsepower measurement Is merely just based on GPU theoretical compute.
CPU is slower and RAM size and speed has been significantly nuked.
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Vawn
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Most publishers are going to demand their developers put their games on both. That means they can't design a game that won't run well on the LCD.
zaitsu
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This.
Bo_Hazem
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There's too much positivity out there about this console, some devs are throwing themselves at it and it doesn't make any sense. I think we need to deal with this head on and balance the scales.
XSS makes no sense for someone seeking cheaper alternative:
-It doesn't support discs = you can't borrow nor sell your games.
-You are forced to pay GOLD to play online, even for free to play games, unlike PS4/PS5.
-There is nothing worth buying an xbox to begin with.
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Tchu-Espresso
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Major_Key
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DarkMage619
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The beautiful thing is if you don't like the XSS don't buy it. I'm not. I'm getting the XSX. I wonder if any of these developers are talking to MS to get additional dev tools to make optimization of their software easier. Complaints on Twitter seem to be more for fanboy wars over actual game development or good business practices. It will be interesting to see is MS will also struggle to make software for the XSS.
Humdinger
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So it seems we've got half a dozen dev's expressing some level of discomfort about the S, namely that it will limit next-gen development for both Xbox first-party and third-party multiplats. Concerns about memory size and speed seem to be one of the major issues, although not the only one.
Personally, I wish MS had left the S out and just stuck to the X. I understand they want to try to undercut Sony with a cheaper, budget-friendly console, but it sounds like the S is going to limit next-gen gaming. MS doesn't believe in generations, so I guess I'm not surprised they don't care about preserving them. They just want to spread their GP seed far and wide. Hopefully, the compromises won't be too serious.
Personally, I wish MS had left the S out and just stuck to the X. I understand they want to try to undercut Sony with a cheaper, budget-friendly console, but it sounds like the S is going to limit next-gen gaming. MS doesn't believe in generations, so I guess I'm not surprised they don't care about preserving them. They just want to spread their GP seed far and wide. Hopefully, the compromises won't be too serious.
ethomaz
Banned
The complain already existed like DF said in the past but due NDA nobody could talk in public about it.
Now devs can talk about it.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
Maybe they should be talking to MS. Does MS make dev tools for their platform or no?
Bernd Lauert
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You could rename this thread "What is it about the Xbox Series S that worries Sony GAF bois?". I've rarely seen this amount of FUD lmao
Vroadstar
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anothertech
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consumer experiments are a thing. see craig for example
Bernd Lauert
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haha you posted craig check mate i guess
Shmunter
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Sony fans can be more honest about the deficiencies of a competitor. Xbox fans take it upon themselves to stand for the brand. Shame, because everyone calling out this problematic approach to next gen could help everyone get better results. Next gen should be a technological jump, not whimper.
Pretty much my sentiments. Microsoft has 14 studios with hundreds of developers to runs these consoles by if the need a "developers perspective".
anothertech
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Also Halo Infinite says hi.
Shmunter
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This whole hinges on install base. If XsS sells a lot, devs can not afford to ignore it. Let's hope it sells like shit.
Kerotan
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The threat of Sony doing it says so.
I'm not sure Sony does either honestly. Neither were big sellers and cost R&D plus other expenses. The PS5 is not a el-cheapo box that needs a pro honestly.
AllBizness
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Interesting, this is all very interesting.
Justin9mm
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1440p term is more for monitors and PC Gaming.
I have always referred to my monitor as ' I have a' or 'I bought a 1440p monitor'
SportsFan581
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Some NDAs clearly got loosened a bit with the official announcement. 
People can be creative. MS spending the R&D $$$ needed to develop a cheaper box, must equate to them wanting out of (or trying to destroy) the console market.
I would have almost thought pricing the XSX high and then just saying get a low-end PC if you want something cheaper would have been a more cost effective exit strategy.
People can be creative. MS spending the R&D $$$ needed to develop a cheaper box, must equate to them wanting out of (or trying to destroy) the console market.
I would have almost thought pricing the XSX high and then just saying get a low-end PC if you want something cheaper would have been a more cost effective exit strategy.
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fran.fernandez
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Yes they have, also many development events about api, optimization and how to solve common problems.
I have attended some, the food is the best.
Razvedka
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The greatest irony here is how hard and loud MS went about having the strongest console, and then they just casually squeak out (by comparison) the XSS.
Effectively, I think this renders alot of their bullet points about XSX kind of meaningless. Games will be developed with the XSS in mind and no I don't think it will be as simple as knee capping resolution.
Even their harping of "constant" frequency or whatever regarding XSX clocks relative to the competition comes across as slightly schizophrenic now.
Effectively, I think this renders alot of their bullet points about XSX kind of meaningless. Games will be developed with the XSS in mind and no I don't think it will be as simple as knee capping resolution.
Even their harping of "constant" frequency or whatever regarding XSX clocks relative to the competition comes across as slightly schizophrenic now.
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