What is it with people thinking Asian is better?

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Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Why do some people think Asian culture is really all that great?

I crack on the weeaboos alot, my basis on the fetishization of Asian, or maybe more specifically Japanese culture. I just don't know what's so great about it.

Being Korean myself, I find so many issues with it, filial piety, Confucian ideals, status issues. Blah.

Yeah the girls are cute, but....they don't shave.
 
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I try to hide it, but then it comes out in my dry cleaning skills.

You thought I was gonna say math, right? Ha.
 
To be a little serious -- Japan and South Korea are both 'far away' from most of us, the languages are very different and the culture and tradition is exotic and tantalizing, but -- and here's the catch -- they're at least as modern and mediated in most aspects as European/American countries. Both 'foreign' and 'western'. The result: Easily accessible, culturally influential and ready to export their products to internet savvy kids.


Short answer: Kim Yu-na.
 
People feel dejected in their current society, and romanticize others to the point that they feel they would fit better in it, and usually ignore the negative aspects of said society, or how they would not fit in there as much as they fit in here.

Its the same reason people talk about "The good ole days" when there has never been "The good ole days."

Counter point: More robots in Japanese culture.
 
I hate Kin Yu Na.

Only because every Korean I know is batshit crazy about her, and has been for the last week, I'm sick of it.

I want her to date Apolo Ohno.
 
Purkake4 said:
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Hey, Taekwon V was invented SPECIFICALLY to counter the popularity amongst Korean youth of Mazinger. Hence Taekwon V is bigger and uses taekwondo.

Watch how in this youtube video, he battles Japanese stereotypes to assert Korean sovereignty over some barely inhabitable rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFG1pGKUSMQ
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Why do some people think Asian culture is really all that great?

I crack on the weeaboos alot, my basis on the fetishization of Asian, or maybe more specifically Japanese culture. I just don't know what's so great about it.

Being Korean myself, I find so many issues with it, filial piety, Confucian ideals, status issues. Blah.

Yeah the girls are cute, but....they don't shave.
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Somebody's jealous. Hey if it's any consolation your live-action movie industry is a lot better.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
I hate Kin Yu Na.

Only because every Korean I know is batshit crazy about her, and has been for the last week, I'm sick of it.

I want her to date Apolo Ohno.
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Whoa. That is some fierce hatred from you.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Hey, Taekwon V was invented SPECIFICALLY to counter the popularity amongst Korean youth of Mazinger. Hence Taekwon V is bigger and uses taekwondo.

Watch how in this youtube video, he battles Japanese stereotypes to assert Korean sovereignty over some barely inhabitable rocks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFG1pGKUSMQ
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Well, excuse me for not being able to distinguish one giant robot from another.

My excuse is that I'm European.
 
Peru said:
To be a little serious -- Japan and South Korea are both 'far away' from most of us, the languages are very different and the culture and tradition is exotic and tantalizing, but -- and here's the catch -- they're at least as modern and mediated in most aspects as European/American countries. Both 'foreign' and 'western'. The result: Easily accessible, culturally influential and ready to export their products to internet savvy kids.


Short answer: Kim Yu-na.
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A brief gaf -> internet -> gaf story: I did a google image search of this Kim Yu-na girl and the first page of results displayed a pic that led to another thread in this forum.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
People feel dejected in their current society, and romanticize others to the point that they feel they would fit better in it, and usually ignore the negative aspects of said society, or how they would not fit in there as much as they fit in here.
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Shitty comic but gets the point across well enough.
 
HamPster PamPster said:
I wonder why knights never had the same "cool" factor as ninjas and samurai

I mean knights are cool? Right??
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Well Snipers have a false reputation in league with or almost in league with a ninja in my opinion.
 
It's about as far as you can get culturally from the West while still remaining first-world and high-tech. Honestly, that's one of the main reasons I've been interested in moving to Japan Korea.
 
ConfusingJazz said:
People feel dejected in their current society, and romanticize others to the point that they feel they would fit better in it, and usually ignore the negative aspects of said society, or how they would not fit in there as much as they fit in here.
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This.
 
Why do some people think blank culture is really all that great?
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Fixed.

ConfusingJazz said:
People feel dejected in their current society, and romanticize others to the point that they feel they would fit better in it, and usually ignore the negative aspects of said society, or how they would not fit in there as much as they fit in here.
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Pretty much but I wouldn't say society and dejected. More like disconnected from their own culture so they seek comfort in another.
 
Purkake4 said:
Well, excuse me for not being able to distinguish one giant robot from another.

My excuse is that I'm European.
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Nah, I just wanted to illustrate how silly Taekwon V. I like your Caucasoid Droid avatar.
 
Yes it does look a little sad. But thankfully the west has been backlashing against otaku culture that swept over here in the 90s and early-mid 2000s. I am sad to have seen Pioneer/Geneon go though, their dubs were the best. I do like to watch the occasional anime when it's critically acclaimed(by non-otakus since they think every anime is awesome cheese) like Berserk and Cowboy Bebop.
 
salva said:
they watch too much anime
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from my experiences (I have quite a bit of weeboo friends) this. very much this.

because of it, I kinda feel like I'm the black sheep of my friends. I don't watch much anime anymore (except for FMA: Brotherhood on Adult Swim), I don't think the Japanese language is all that (shit, one of my friends prefers songs in Japanese. have you ever heard that Aladdin song in Japanese?), I don't listen to much Japanese music (I do sometimes, and they all come from animes though). and I'm pretty much the only gamer in my group. so no one relates to me.
 
ChiTownBuffalo said:
Nah, I just wanted to illustrate how silly Taekwon V. I like your Caucasoid Droid avatar.
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That is actually pretty close, it's from the cancelled Fallout 3 game, which was a western RPG.
 
HamPster PamPster said:
I wonder why knights never had the same "cool" factor as ninjas and samurai

I mean knights are cool? Right??
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many reasons

the most important being that a sword in Japan during the medieval times was realy fucking expensive

try to imagine how expensive an ipod is
now imagine how expensive that ipod seems to a guy in sub saharan africa who can barely aford a cow

that's how expensive katanas were

due to beter metalurgy in Europe and access to beter steel (the steel in japan was downright awfull compared to the stuff europe had access to, hence the many folds of a katana, to spread the weak points equaly over the whole blade, since a blade like a chain is defined by it's weakest point)

well due to that swords in europe were quite cheap and easy to mass produce (which is another thing, making a sword with the crappy japanase steel takes a lot more time than making an equaly good sword with european steel, time that the guy could be making some more usefull stuff, like arrow heads)
when you pay twice your mortage on a fucking sword you better make it look like it is the best thing since sliced bread, so you crank it up to 11 and greatly exgragate the qualitys of that sword. From this came the ritualization of the katana and thus samurais in japan, in europe on the other hand sword never recived this kind of special treatment, they were just tools, fairly cheap and quite easy to get one of good quality, the only important ones were if some killed a great amount of poor peasants wth them

a lot of Europes knowleadge os swordfighting was also lost with the advent of gun powder and the historyans of the 17th and 18th century made the whole thing seem like just bashing around without any skill involved in it which can't be further from the truth, European martial arts regarding combat with swords were just as precise and detailed as the japanese ones, if not even more since European swords offered advantages the katana didn't have, half sword grips, the pommel etc etc
 
I don't know if I'd call it Asian Supremacy but as someone who has lived in the Bay Area for half of his life, much of which was within the "Asian" part of San Jose, I've noticed that Asians seem more likely to voluntarily segregate themselves in groups. And it's not just recent immigrants; 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Asians tend to do it in droves too. And as someone who is ethnically mixed and prides himself in having a diverse group of friends, it really bothers me.
 
vazel said:
Yes it does look a little sad. But thankfully the west has been backlashing against otaku culture that swept over here in the 90s and early-mid 2000s. I am sad to have seen Pioneer/Geneon go though, their dubs were the best. I do like to watch the occasional anime when it's critically acclaimed(by non-otakus since they think every anime is awesome cheese) like Berserk and Cowboy Bebop.
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Now think about this again and see why it's stupid to be thankful for this. (Hint: it is actually supremacy at play here and not like the fondness which is what the OP is talking about.)

Now, if the OP were talking more about how Asian americans tend to segregate themselves, that's totally different.
Enosh said:
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What? Europeans usually made their swords from iron....Thus, why the Europeans were surprised by the quality of Japanese swords (being almost always made from steel.) I believe that European swords also broke a lot (compared to jpn swords.)
 
Re:Akemi Why does cuteness have to be wasted on an obviously insane individual? :( Not that she's stellar or anything..
She loses 5 pocky points for bragging about her hair.
 
harSon said:
I don't know if I'd call it Asian Supremacy but as someone who has lived in the Bay Area for half of his life, much of which was within the "Asian" part of San Jose, I've noticed that Asians seem more likely to voluntarily segregate themselves in groups. And it's not just recent immigrants; 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Asians tend to do it in droves too. And as someone who is ethnically mixed and prides himself in having a diverse group of friends, it really bothers me.
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In the actual East Asia, most of the East Asian nations are ethnically very homogeneous. Asian cultural mixing is a very recent thing, it hasn't even been 2 generations where the Asian peoples have been on speaking terms. I think a lot of the Asians who stay tied to immigrant communities are folllowing the examples of their parents and grandparents there by not mixing with other East Asian groups. This will undoubtedly change, even as economic and cultural integration accelerates in East Asia, it will spill over to the immigrant communities in the States. First young Asians need to outlive the hell out of the old generation who dominate the governments and politics of China, Japan, and South Korea who are STILL nursing old grudges from World War II. Once all the old bitter politicians are dead, we will probably see some real formal reconciliation and then the cultural and ethnic mixing will accelerate dramatically. It's not a stretch to say that even a few decades ago stars like Takeshi Kaneshiro, who is half Taiwanese and half Japanese, would never have made it big like he is today. Hell, that guy can still tell stories about how he was viciously ostracized growing up in Taiwan because he was half Japanese. There's a lot of work still to be done to integrate the East Asian peoples.
 
Enosh said:
many reasons

the most important being that a sword in Japan during the medieval times was realy fucking expensive

try to imagine how expensive an ipod is
now imagine how expensive that ipod seems to a guy in sub saharan africa who can barely aford a cow

that's how expensive katanas were

due to beter metalurgy in Europe and access to beter steel (the steel in japan was downright awfull compared to the stuff europe had access to, hence the many folds of a katana, to spread the weak points equaly over the whole blade, since a blade like a chain is defined by it's weakest point)

well due to that swords in europe were quite cheap and easy to mass produce (which is another thing, making a sword with the crappy japanase steel takes a lot more time than making an equaly good sword with european steel, time that the guy could be making some more usefull stuff, like arrow heads)
when you pay twice your mortage on a fucking sword you better make it look like it is the best thing since sliced bread, so you crank it up to 11 and greatly exgragate the qualitys of that sword. From this came the ritualization of the katana and thus samurais in japan, in europe on the other hand sword never recived this kind of special treatment, they were just tools, fairly cheap and quite easy to get one of good quality, the only important ones were if some killed a great amount of poor peasants wth them

a lot of Europes knowleadge os swordfighting was also lost with the advent of gun powder and the historyans of the 17th and 18th century made the whole thing seem like just bashing around without any skill involved in it which can't be further from the truth, European martial arts regarding combat with swords were just as precise and detailed as the japanese ones, if not even more since European swords offered advantages the katana didn't have, half sword grips, the pommel etc etc
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Interesting. Have there ever been any attempts to make a katana out of another grade of metal other than japanese steel? I wonder how the quality of the blade would stand then?
 
harSon said:
I don't know if I'd call it Asian Supremacy but as someone who has lived in the Bay Area for half of his life, much of which was within the "Asian" part of San Jose, I've noticed that Asians seem more likely to voluntarily segregate themselves in groups. And it's not just recent immigrants; 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation Asians tend to do it in droves too. And as someone who is ethnically mixed and prides himself in having a diverse group of friends, it really bothers me.
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You should see what happens in Oakland...
 
zoku88 said:
Now think about this again and see why it's stupid to be thankful for this. (Hint: it is actually supremacy at play here and not like the fondness which is what the OP is talking about.)

Now, if the OP were talking more about how Asian americans tend to segregate themselves, that's totally different.
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Well, for many of us, especially those around my age, 30's. We still grew up being treated as the "other." Regardless that we may have been born here, English was a primary language and we were completely assimilated, large parts of the American population still perceived and treated us like foreigners and not "real" Americans.

As for why people my age do it now, well, there are alot of reasons. Comfort level is still a big factor, attachment to heritage/community.

Even myself, who has a lot of issues with Korean and Korean-American culture, I still go to a Korean church, and want to marry a Korean girl, despite the fact I don't hang out with any Korean people here in Chicago.

I mean, maybe its more of a "Hey, guess what we're having for dinner? A various number of pickled veggies or pastes that I've allowed to ferment in the ground for months!" Not wanting the explain whats in my fridge. I'm also the only grandson on my father's side. Growing up with pretty much a 1970's concept of Korean culture, due to my parents, its hard to completely throw that off.

Would it be the same for my kids? I have no idea. I mean, I think if I had a son, I would probably tempt him to marry Korean to keep the family going. If I had a girl, I just want her to marry someone who can make her comfortable and happy.

If my daughter brought home a white kid who asked me if I watched such and such anime, and tried to convince me 17 years form now how awesome Final Fantasy VII is, yeah, I'd kick his ass all over my front yard.
 
Surgeon Rocket said:
Then, there is a sort of rebuttal that kind of re-affirms what the Op is saying and the whole "Japan(ese culture) is awesome" thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ghfhvTv3Zc

While I think the video is satirical, I don't think it's too far off a stretch to believe some think like this.
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Cosplay is the new blackface? Err...yellow face?

That video hurt my head just as much as the other ones, yes, including the Taekwon V one.

Hasn't the Fast and the Furious series taught us anything? Douchebags of all races can do horrible things to their cars.
 
Next up: what is it with caucasian supremacy? Why do so many Asians wear jeans and suits instead of robes and kimonos? Why do they remake shitty shallow western pop music instead of koto and guzheng compositions? Are they just wannabes?
 
Aren't Asians kinda in love with western culture?

Why do Asians learn English, move to countries founded by Europeans, adopt Christianity, watch Hollywood movies, listen to rock and hip hop...

I could go on. The truth is that I think European and Asian cultures are in love with each other.. And why wouldn't they be? We're all just human.. Why shouldn't we enjoy each others arts, philosophies... And women?

Asian and European culture are arbitrarily different, but they aren't very incompatable. Young people from each country could easily enjoy the arts from the other country. Perhaps US kids get Marvel comics and Japan kids get manga, but it could just as easily be the other way around. They're very interchangable.

Places like India have their outsider fans too.. But I'd say that a culture like that is far more dependant in being raised there to enjoy it.
 
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