What Is Your Vision for Superman?

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This seems to be one of the toughest nuts to crack in terms of modern superhero films. If you could make a Superman film however you wanted, what would you make and what kind of Superman universe would you construct? What do you think is the wrong direction for Superman to go in? Mine would be fairly dark and realistic, at least compared to the traditional view of Superman. Share your ideas.

My thoughts:

Am I the only one who wants to see a fairly long origin story? I would have done this film by going the sci fi route. Superman is a very skinny, almost emaciated young child who is bullied a lot. He doesn't like to be out in the sun, he feels better in the dark and at home. He discovers a black orb hidden in his Dad's shed. The orb guides him towards the ship (pod) he reached earth in. He puts the ball into the ship and he is consumed by light, what plays in his head are the last moments as Jor-El is preparing the ship and sending his child back in space and time to the mythical planet called Earth. The exact details of why and how are left out so as to keep some mystery in the film except for the fact that dangerous warriors from the planet Krypton will also be making the journey.

Clark's vision is abruptly ended as he hears screams coming from his house, someone has broken in and the resulting conflict will unleash some of Clark's powers. He spends the rest of the film becoming Superman, training and preparing for a group of elite warriors from Krypton to reach Earth as he saw in his flashback/vision. The final arc of the film is just a battle between him and the bad guys. I would have Superman undergo a long training process, learning how to draw in solar energy and consulting some kind of old wise man figure to do so. Braniac and Luthor are also involved in the larger story but not in the first film. I would also leave Metropolis and Lois Lane out for the time being.

An idea I had for a sequel to my first superman movie would be about a war in Metropolis between two criminal organizations, one of them controlled by Lex and the other controlled by an unknown figure. Both sides have ambitions to dominate the world and Clark Kent explores one organization while Superman deals with the other. The major plot twist is that Braniac is actually the head of the other organization. When he tried to reach Earth, he actually landed thousands of years before Clark did and his ship broke down from the toll that time travel can take on a ship. Ever since then he has been gaining followers to do his bidding and trying to build himself back up. I have a lot to things to still work out, but the gist of it is Superman trying to navigate between two organizations and Luthor's megalomania while ultimately being duped by Braniac who is the larger enemy working behind the scenes.

I wanted to keep this separate from "Man of Steel" threads so as to not send those threads off on a tangent.
 
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The right direction for the look of Superman is the one from the 70s/80s and the remake that bombed.

The wrong direction for the look of Superman is all the shows and this new movie that they're working on.

The main reason to me why the Superman remake bombed was because A) He didn't have a villain of equal strength to fight and B) they made Lois Lane into a whore who had some other guy thinking he was Super Kid's dad.
 
A WWII period piece. I've been wanting that for over a decade. Preferably hand animated (I would hire studio Ghibli). Its during his very early years so he's simply not able to WTF PWN during the war. The experience matures him and he emerges as the man you see in the comics...costumer and all. That's my crazy dream. Captain America did a lot of what I wanted to see in that Superman tale.

Well, since the above will never happen. I don't want anymore superman movies. He's always portrayed as a god and its boring. But if we must, I would prefer a very powered down version who actually has to risk himself when going into very dangerous situations. He shouldn't take a bullet to the eye without blinking. He shouldn't be able to lift an island. He should be like the 90's animated version...a hero you can believably root for since he is vulnerable.

If you made a series with that in mind, then yeah there should be a Superman year one/smallville movie first to show his progression as a hero and move on to some major threat which only he can prevent.
 
He's always portrayed as a god and its boring.

This is why he never really interested me. Then again, my exposure to the DC universe has been mostly through TAS and The Dark Knight Returns. Plenty of times where Superman went bad, I'd like a movie where Batman has to bring him to justice.
 
This is why he never really interested me. Then again, my exposure to the DC universe has been mostly through TAS and The Dark Knight Returns. Plenty of times where Superman went bad, I'd like a movie where Batman has to bring him to justice.

Superman should be able to kill Batman if he went bad by snapping his fingers and having the sonic boom crush all of Gotham city.
 
Superman For All Seasons
Superman: Braniac
Kingdom Come

Basically, Superman taking on problems are are solved with more than just brute force.
 
The Dark Knight returns.

Superman is boring as fuck on his own. No studio would make a major motion picture about Supes being Russian or getting the shit kicked out of him by Doomsday or Darkseid, so make him a bit player in Batman's picture.

And when you do it, make sure to illustrate what a jackass Superman is. It's the one trait they always overlook in the movies. Nobody cares about seeing flawless God Superman. He is almost literally a God; he needs to be way more self absorbed than he is ever portrayed in movies. That was the best part of DKR: realizing Batman thought Superman was an insufferable prick.
 
I'm in the minority when I say quite honestly that these grand ideas of Superman involved in extreme hand-to-hand fight sequence does not excite me. One of the biggest attractions of Superman is actually the question of whom is the disguise; Kal-El or Clark. The juxtaposition of this incredibly mild-mannered soul against the background of an almost omnipotent power has yet to be fully explored IMHO.

One of my favourite scenes from Superman Returns epitomises this. Clark drops his glasses whilst he bends down to help Lois pick up her stuff that has spilled onto the ground - he is fragile in his mannerisms and nerves around her. When she picks up her stuff and turns around to walk away, his back straightened, he looks on at her without blinking; it's Superman that is looking at her and not Clark. It was beautifully framed and it's those subtle nuances that I love most about this character
 
Superman should be able to kill Batman if he went bad by snapping his fingers and having the sonic boom crush all of Gotham city.

B-but Batman plans for everything! He could have taken possession of a green lantern ring and enveloped Gotham in a protective force field, then drag supes into the dark recesses of space where his powers run out and he can't hold his breath anymore. I guess Superman doesn't really go bad, he just gets misguided. And how long do his powers last without a yellow sun anyways?
 
I think the only way to write an interesting story to me is to go back, re do the character, and make him less overpowered. Unless you want bloody Kryptonite movie #52 or Needing to be in two places at once dilemma #83 there is not much else to create stress for the character.
 
with modern special effects i feel a modern superman movie should just be fucking crazy.

the intro should always have the classic superman theme and box letters shooting at us.
 
You know what movie was a great Superman origin story? Chronicle. Seriously Matt is basically Superman starting out...or rather, how he should. There I said it.

with modern special effects i feel a modern superman movie should just be fucking crazy.

the intro should always have the classic superman theme and box letters shooting at us.

They can keep modern special effects out. Give me some amazing practical effect, actual locations, actual explosions etc. Sure CGI can be used to smooth things out...but don't give me a fucking CGI adventure. They should shoot stuntmen skydiving in costume to give a super realistic look to flying.
 
Man I would love to see Red Son made.

This. I've lost count of how many times I've read this story, it's just fantastic from beginning to end... I'm still hoping that WB/DC decide to make it into one of their animated features since they're doing The Dark Knight Returns.

As for what I'd like to see for a Superman movie, maybe something based on Birthright or Earth One. I think from some posted rumours/spoilers is that The Man Of Steel is incorporating some elements of Birthright.
 
You know what movie was a great Superman origin story? Chronicle. Seriously Matt is basically Superman starting out...or rather, how he should. There I said it.



They can keep modern special effects out. Give me some amazing practical effect, actual locations, actual explosions etc. Sure CGI can be used to smooth things out...but don't give me a fucking CGI adventure. They should shoot stuntmen skydiving in costume to give a super realistic look to flying.

well both modern practical and cgi have gotten a lot better. they also compliment each other better than they had in the past
 
This seems to be one of the toughest nuts to crack in terms of modern superhero films. If you could make a Superman film however you wanted, what would you make and what kind of Superman universe would you construct? What do you think is the wrong direction for Superman to go in? Mine would be fairly dark and realistic, at least compared to the traditional view of Superman. Share your ideas.

My thoughts:

Am I the only one who wants to see a fairly long origin story? I would have done this film by going the sci fi route. Superman is a very skinny, almost emaciated young child who is bullied a lot. He doesn't like to be out in the sun, he feels better in the dark and at home. He discovers a black orb hidden in his Dad's shed. The orb guides him towards the ship (pod) he reached earth in. He puts the ball into the ship and he is consumed by light, what plays in his head are the last moments as Jor-El is preparing the ship and sending his child back in space and time to the mythical planet called Earth. The exact details of why and how are left out so as to keep some mystery in the film except for the fact that dangerous warriors from the planet Krypton will also be making the journey.

Clark's vision is abruptly ended as he hears screams coming from his house, someone has broken in and the resulting conflict will unleash some of Clark's powers. He spends the rest of the film becoming Superman, training and preparing for a group of elite warriors from Krypton to reach Earth as he saw in his flashback/vision. The final arc of the film is just a battle between him and the bad guys. I would have Superman undergo a long training process, learning how to draw in solar energy and consulting some kind of old wise man figure to do so. Braniac and Luthor are also involved in the larger story but not in the first film. I would also leave Metropolis and Lois Lane out for the time being.


I wanted to keep this separate from "Man of Steel" threads so as to not send those threads off on a tangent.

This isn't Dragon Ball Z. There is no need for the wise man and there is no need for a full movie training montage.

You want compelling Superman? Here it is. Superman's most compelling factor isn't him fighting things. No one is ever truly believable to beat him anyways so its hard to build a villain realistically. NO...forget building up fights forever by pushing up the villains, and the training, and the comeback after the inevitable initial loss. This isn't ROCKY.

The most compelling thing about someone who is so damned indestructible is not them invariably winning...its how the world would react to something they don't have an answer for that admits they are an alien. The man in the Vatican would have to tackle a crisis of faith as the devout question things and either worship him or think he is the devil. Either is enough to panic the world on a major scale and nothing fuels militaries and countries like religion. Folks would likely try to worship him no matter what Superman said because they would want to believe in someone tangible and unstoppable as a God. Better the God you know and have proof of to solidify your faith in a higher power than one you have none of is how it would likely go.

The man in politics would face one of two problems. Problem One is if your the man who is NOT listed as his country by the line "...and the AMERICAN way" then you immediately see a threat. One unlike any the world has known before. You have to pacify your people. Worse is if you don't even try and use this fear as a rallying point to unify your people and other nations under a flag of paranoia against the US. Problem Two is if you ARE the US...you now have a paranoid and frightened world looking at you having the most powerful unchecked weapon ever and demanding reassurances. Reassurances you can't give...you either have to strike a deal with Superman in public to neuter him or take him out yourself. In either case you HAVE to have a contingency plan for him in case he turns against you otherwise the safety of your entire nation is at risk.

The average man is petty...people like heroes but better still they are addicted to scandal. As people feel more put down by the idea of someone so perfect they can never compare they will likely lash out verbally at random. People always do. Whether its at businessmen, celebrities, politicians its always the same. The more publicly successful you are the more some people will revile you. If you can hear anything how long can you stand doing things for a public that spits venom behind your back that you actually have to hear? Fortress of solitude is needed just to cope.

Superman going public should throw the world into panic and Superman into a state of self assessment about whether he does more harm than good. Keep these questions going and run a subplot in between scenes of something being discovered far away (Doomsday's vault from the comic). Just like the comic you occasionally cut back to something trying to break out and by the end of the film when everyone is tearing themselves apart over Superman (including himself over whether he is protecting anyone if he causes all this) you have Doomsday get free and start to slaughter massive destruction through cities. This inevitably leads to Superman doing what is right and nearly dying several times against Doomsday in the fight. Make him able to lose...make him do the death scene even at the end when both fall. I'd personally bring him back and have star labs holding him in a med unit asking military what the government wants them to do with him when he recovers.

The answer? "Nothing...the government now has all the assurances it needs to keep the world from tearing itself apart over this guy. Do nothing at all...we've got all the insurance we need now." Pan the camera to the body of Doomsday being removed to a Black ops Helicopter surrounded by military. yadda yadda yadda the end.

AND THATS HOW YOU DO SUPERMAN.
 
OP, did you just make this thread so we could tell you how terrible your idea is?

Let me put you out of your misery. Really terrible.

Especially this part:

Superman is a very skinny, almost emaciated young child who is bullied a lot. He doesn't like to be out in the sun, he feels better in the dark
 
Am I the only one who likes the time travel idea in Superman? In the idea I had for a Superman story, Braniac discovered humans travelling on a space ship after the destruction of Earth. He saves then and take them to Krypton and then ultimately tries to destroy them after they grow too powerful. Jor-El sends Clark back in time to Earth. Correct me if I am wrong but I think one of the Superman comics had a similar Superman origin story involving time travel. Was it Red Son?
 
Am I the only one who likes the time travel idea in Superman? In the idea I had for a Superman story, Braniac discovered humans travelling on a space ship after the destruction of Earth. He saves then and take them to Krypton and then ultimately tries to destroy them after they grow too powerful. Jor-El sends Clark back in time to Earth. Correct me if I am wrong but I think one of the Superman comics had a similar Superman origin story involving time travel. Was it Red Son?

Red Son, yes. Ultimately, Superman is human, a man of tomorrow.

I HATE SUPERMAN BEING AN ALIEN. WHY IS HE A WHITE CAUCASIAN ALIEN. Admittedly, he has blue hair in the comics, I guess that sets him apart ;)
 
One of my favorite Superman stories is For The Man Who Has Everything, by Alan Moore, I believe. I know it'd be impossible to film, but I'd love to see it animated.
 
After reading a lot of Superman/Batman comics, I don't think they should be allowed to be in anything solo anymore.


The contrast between the two, and the things writers have to come up with to challenge Batman and Superman almost always result in some amazing stories. It will also help with what I think is lacking in a lot of modern Batman storytelling like the Nolan movies and the Arkham city games in which they completely ignore Batmans mind and focus more on his fighting. With Superman there, he can handle all the heavy lifting.

Batman is brains, Superman is brawn.

One of my favorite Superman stories is For The Man Who Has Everything, by Alan Moore, I believe. I know it'd be impossible to film, but I'd love to see it animated.

It was an episode in Justice League. Where Mongul gives Superman a brain controlling parasite thing right?
 
OP, did you just make this thread so we could tell you how terrible your idea is?

Let me put you out of your misery. Really terrible.

Especially this part:

I'm gonna go cry in a corner now. My script writer friend, who is not actually a script writer yet, thought it was good. Though he doesn't like Superhero films so I don't know how valuable his opinions are. Why did you hate that part in particular? Superman is weak as a child and learns the true meaning of what it means to be strong as he gains superpowers.
 
Am I the only one who likes the time travel idea in Superman? In the idea I had for a Superman story, Braniac discovered humans travelling on a space ship after the destruction of Earth. He saves then and take them to Krypton and then ultimately tries to destroy them after they grow too powerful. Jor-El sends Clark back in time to Earth.

Are you troll posting now? Film is a different beast than comic books and this just wouldn't fly. You're not focusing a bit on the man. You're just focusing on fights and convoluted setups for them. You can't do a film without creating a likeable hero and that requires more than just saving the day. He has to be human with wants, doubts, desires, and all the rest.

Just because you can lift a fallen building from an earthquake doesn't mean your trained how NOT to lift areas so as not to collapse large portions onto survivors trapped beneath. X-ray vision be damned son all you are is a big indestructible brute with good intentions. Compelling characters struggle to do the right thing and the line needs blurred to keep it intense. Make him screw up things like the building rescue, or saving miners or having him make someone go hypoxic from a fast speedy save via flight, or even have him whiplash someone in a super speed rescue and let the tragedy fly in the face of the man who only wants to help.

This is how you create drama. You're just creating action and for film you need both to be good. There is a difference between rising action and well written drama...you lack it.
I'm gonna go cry in a corner now. My script writer friend, who is not actually a script writer yet, thought it was good. Though he doesn't like Superhero films so I don't know how valuable his opinions are. Why did you hate that part in particular? Superman is weak as a child and learns the true meaning of what it means to be strong as he gains superpowers.

There is a HUGE difference in learning what it means to be "Strong" and learning what it means to be "a hero." Its obvious from your emphasis on action that you are just focusing on his powers and not what it must be like to actually try to be a hero that powerful who deals with how people would perceive him. Strength won't make them trust you. If anything it may make them uneasy. And Strength doesn't mean you know what to do when people need help. You can more easily cause as much harm as good in those situations with that kind of power if you aren't a trained member of rescue team with the right kind of experience for the task at hand.

Look guy its obvious you like Superman, but this isn't good. I mean I'm an Animation student about to graduate from a top school and believe me when the guy whose action CG tells you even his work can't make this interesting that its bad. You don't have a script. You have a long winded action film and your other script with the scrawny Superman and such doesn't even use the character of Superman...it uses what seems like the template of "little boy you are the chosen one now go be awesome and prove you are special to the world simply because" and thats really cliche and hard to sell to audiences...especially when its how you are rewriting a famous character. That would offend a LOT of his fanbase to pander his name like that behind a character that is so completely unlike him. Look up some books on writing literature and how to develop stories. I'm not gonna tell anyone to stop dreaming, but I will tell someone when an idea is flawed enough to scrap. Its time to scrap this and think more about what makes a good dramatic film instead of what kind of fanfiction you'd read.
 
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