LifeBrandRobot
Member
Seriously, If you don't understand why people occasionally prefer playing on consoles you're either incredibly ignorant or enjoy starting fires.
What`s the point in buying consoles if they take PC like approaches?
- Thread starter Gamezone
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If your argument is based on the impact of local American sales taxes you know it's not a very strong argument.
Ok, you have a good hardware, good for you.
The discussion started because you think you spend too much time tweaking. My answer is (and I am not the only one) is that is a non necessary effort that YOU force yourself to exercise. Going back to a weak hardware, especially when you have so strong hardware, just because you get too much obsessed by tweaking tells more about you than about PC gaming itself, especially when there are solution to obtain 90% of what you achieve by tweaking without any effort.
RichiRamjag
Member
To all the "oh noes ma couch" crowd....
...this is Mario Kart running on a PC and being navigated by an Xbox controller.
Deal with it.
I use the same thing on my PC and at times I have little issues that I'm sure other folks don't want to deal with. Not sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp for some. It's cool as fuck that this is possible and I play the hell out of smash and other shit via emulation station, but it is at times a bit more in-depth than most people want to go. I deal with a lot of folks in my line of work and most people are unable to manage the easiest tasks on a PC. As enthusiasts we sometimes forget that those people are out there.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I understand why they do it now, but not if consoles becomes like PC`s. That`s my point.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Windows is the worst thing about PC gaming. It breaks, it's illogical, it's ugly. I just had Windows Update crash on me for a few days. DirectX wouldn't download on a new build. Everything is slow and sluggish, and it's far, far more to deal with than a console OS.
If gaming PC's could use nearly anything else I'd embrace it. I'm hoping SteamOS takes off with developer support. Hell, Steam on Ubuntu would do me just fine. I can't see it happening though.
The only way a console could lose me is if they became as complicated as Windows to use on a daily basis.
As for as the hardware price goes, it's hard to find a PC that's as small as a PS4 for the same price. Those are my two most important factors.
If gaming PC's could use nearly anything else I'd embrace it. I'm hoping SteamOS takes off with developer support. Hell, Steam on Ubuntu would do me just fine. I can't see it happening though.
The only way a console could lose me is if they became as complicated as Windows to use on a daily basis.
As for as the hardware price goes, it's hard to find a PC that's as small as a PS4 for the same price. Those are my two most important factors.
You are right, Console are for the masses. Still, I do not think those people hang on gaming forums.
You seriously over estimate the general populaces technical aptitude.
Consoles are easy. Plug into TV, the setup holds your hand and does everything. Patches are automatic or single click and you generally cant do anything until you click OK/accept the install.
For Many many people, including self proclaimed 'gamers' (I work IT) they can barely drive let alone install something like a browser or even steam.
Snkfanatic
Banned
What is up with all these console war kind of threads recently on GAF?
You are right, If you go back, you see that I support the existence of consoles.
Still, As I said, I assume that the minimum level of people posting on this forum is high enough for going into a graphic option menu.
Maybe I am wrong on that too.
It's not a difficult concept to grasp. There is just an incredible amount of misinformation that people are using to sling mud at others. Among other things in this thread, people are saying you need to be bent over a keyboard which isn't true. That consoles receive all PC games plus console exclusives, which again, isn't true as there are multitudes of PC exclusives. Fair enough if someone prefers a console, that's fine. It's the blatant lying.
Primethius
Banned
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Physical's still best for renting. If someone really wanted to they could abuse Gamestop's seven day return policy on used games. I've done it a few times when there was a game I wasn't sure I'd want to keep. Finish it, and then return it for a full refund.
yaffi
Member
And a lot of them don't really want to (for whatever reason). That's something that gets on my nerves when I'm involved.
edit: Thank god I spend some time 15 years ago to learn how PCs work.
RealityCheque
Banned
As you say, its a "little extra effort", some of the replies here are suggesting its a gigantic black-hole of an effort to even make a game start. The reply I made above was to someone who implied that was no such thing as a wireless controller for the PC. Either they don't know or want to seed misinformation.
Bolivar687
Banned
PC gaming could have every advantage in the world, and the consumer very much will not care because there's no one to advertise and market it. Not to mention getting one requires overpaying a premium for a prebuilt machine or building your own, which will always be a small niche no matter how easy everyone insists it is. I just had to talk someone out of buying a "gaming" PC with a GT 730 for $700. Some of the Steam Machines come close but when consoles are selling for $299, it's hard to recommend any of them. Consoles are cheaper, period, and the whole "saving on the games" premise was kind of never true to begin with, since there's always been renting, used games, sales, insane GameStop promotions and of course knowing where to look.
I play on PC to play experiences I cannot get on a console, competitive formats that simply wouldn't work without a keyboard and mouse, and to mod games and custom tailor them to the experience I want. We've discussed at length why a number of times but I think anyone buying a PC for the purpose of playing console games is going to come away disappointed.
I play on PC to play experiences I cannot get on a console, competitive formats that simply wouldn't work without a keyboard and mouse, and to mod games and custom tailor them to the experience I want. We've discussed at length why a number of times but I think anyone buying a PC for the purpose of playing console games is going to come away disappointed.
DragonKnight
Member
Honestly...i was actually thinking about building a decent rig after i move in with the gf. The only first party company I cant go with is nintendo (mind you i like ips from other companies but i dont see them as must haves). Moreover, many new upcoming console exclusives are just that--console exclusives; you can still get them on pc. The games are also cheaper and generally perform better. I can even hook my pc to the bedroom tv and still have the traditinal console experience and because uograding a pc is modular, its cheaper than getting a new console every five years or so. Ive been seriously thinking about building one. I know my gf would love to help me too.
There is this thing called internet nowadays and people use it constantly to get information.
Simple phrase on google "connect pc to tv" gives this as a result. Step by step guide for dummies with pictures.
You know it takes a little effort to do anything. If we assume that people are dumb like that than yes. PC is not for them.
I know these have been stated but..
Plug and play. Your choice is Xbox or PS4, no need to worry about what's inside (GPU,CPU, motherboard,)or the casing.
Playing with friends. I'm one of two people I know with a gaming PC. Most of them don't have one because of the next point.
Pricing. Sure you can build a pc for same price as a console but that takes away the ease of just buying it and knowing it will work.
Configuration issues. A lot of people like to disagree that drivers and such are a issue now but that's the beauty of PC gaming, multiple different configurations cause different issues.
I have never been able to get the dualshock 4 to work wirelessly even after multiple attempts it always disconnects. One of the wonders of different configurations.
Plug and play. Your choice is Xbox or PS4, no need to worry about what's inside (GPU,CPU, motherboard,)or the casing.
Playing with friends. I'm one of two people I know with a gaming PC. Most of them don't have one because of the next point.
Pricing. Sure you can build a pc for same price as a console but that takes away the ease of just buying it and knowing it will work.
Configuration issues. A lot of people like to disagree that drivers and such are a issue now but that's the beauty of PC gaming, multiple different configurations cause different issues.
I have never been able to get the dualshock 4 to work wirelessly even after multiple attempts it always disconnects. One of the wonders of different configurations.
HAHA so true. I also work in IT and it amazes me every day the ineptitude of some people. People with PhD's that can't do basic tasks. This is kind of where I am coming from, so you can understand the notion of people saying console gaming is irrelevant is just ridiculous .
I mean an 18 year old family friend wanted a PC rig so he can play LoL and other games with his friends. He's been gaming since he was little. He had no idea where to even start. I built the PC for him and he was happy. A week later I get a call saying his computer is all messed up and is slow. His computer was infected to high hell with malicious shit.
I also used several sites. Competition and all that. It's why I can buy games for half before release day on GMG which is a European site or the current neogeo bundle which comes with a ton of games for $10.
We are the 1%
I moved my PC to my home theater setup and to start the majority of my games i dont even need to touch the keybord(i use a wireless all in one keybord, the microsoft one).
Its just a matter of seconds(literally 5-6) to boot the system then I just grab my xbone controller(running wireless) launch steam big picture with just a press of the xbone logo and I'm set to play what i want.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
They didn't imply that. It's just hard to set up a wireless controller, or even know what to buy. I've run into that very problem myself. I'd say "good luck" to that too.
Everything is hard to set up on Windows, and if you're starting out, not knowing what to buy or where to configure things, you just look at the work there is to be done and wonder why you're doing this in the first place.
You buy a bluetooth dongle and it doesn't work, just like a quarter of the games you bought on Steam don't launch, crashes to desktop, or has terrible performance on your computer. You're not thinking about solving these problems. You're wondering why you even play games in the first place, and what you ever saw in the godforsaken hobby.
I know because I've been there just this week, setting up a new PC. I powered through it and I'm having a good time now but I had to create my own UX on the platform - figuring out how to skip the need to use a keyboard, to get my controller widgets to run automatically, etc. That sucks.
Setting up a PC for gaming is not a "little effort" at all. And I used to be a Linux nerd.
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Deleted member 325805
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You always get people who make PC gaming out to be so difficult when in reality it's not at all. I can get up right now, turn my PC on and be playing the Witcher III on my TV with a PS4 controller in under 3 minutes. A lot of people are either ignorant or just simply lying to push their agenda.
RichiRamjag
Member
Ahh, the outright misconceptions are evidence enough of why many stay away. There are situations where keyboard is better. I tend not to play FPS on my PC as I don't feel anywhere near as competitive and I doubt that is going to change soon.
Other than that, I've had my PC hooked up to my tv for years. You tried Skyward Sword on Dolphin btw? Looks so damn good.
It is that easy a majority of the time. There are times when it isn't. Those times are more than enough cause for some folks to stay away. I've dealt with a lot of people in support situations over the years. People generally aren't very bright and want things as simple as possible. I've got no agenda either, I make no money if any of these companies do well.
You assume too much. There is tons of gamers out there who don't even connect their own shit. Read my response above to see where I am coming from. I mean there is step by step guides to building a PC. So everyone can do it right?
Convenient, easy to setup and use, easy local multiplayer, plug and play devices, exclusive games, small form factor, cheap and getting cheaper every year within a gen, games 99% work decently within a gen whether at the beginning or toward the end 6 years later, everything needed is in the box (os, controller, physical drive...), devices labelled have no worries about compatibility or minimum specs, etc.
PCs have a ton of pluses too, and some may overlap within certain parameter, but for the larger public PCs and consoles do not really compete for the same space. For hardcore gamer, they sometimes do, but then again a "hardcore gamer" is probably best served by having both a PC and at least one console, if only to enjoy the exclusives.
PCs have a ton of pluses too, and some may overlap within certain parameter, but for the larger public PCs and consoles do not really compete for the same space. For hardcore gamer, they sometimes do, but then again a "hardcore gamer" is probably best served by having both a PC and at least one console, if only to enjoy the exclusives.
Apologies. I wasn't singling you out. Was skimming a number of comments and just caught yours towards the end. PCs have gotten immensely easier to setup and connect to a TV but seems a number of folks screaming 'PCs are simple' do not realize just how vast the gulf is between a typical console users technical aptitude vs even just a casual gaming forum goer. We are talking about many users that until HDMI cables were included in the box were still using component or worse composite cables for their HDTV and HD capable consoles.
- Buy an xbone controlle and his wireless adapter.
- Connect the adapter to the PC using a usb port
- Press once the only button on the adapter
- Press the sync button on the bone controller
Was it so hard?
yaffi
Member
Then they get the video where this guy wrecked the entire hardware while trying to build his rig and are scared of PCs forever.
old manatee
Banned
Angular graphics.
RichiRamjag
Member
Just wait until the see the video that of that Japanese guy playing minecraft and burning his flat up. Minecraft is done!
Well yeah. I've learned to build PC that way. And tons of others. It was a magazine not internet but the point is the same. There is difference to not want to do something.
And to not know how to do it. If these people want to connect their PC to TV they will do it... with a little effort on their part.
It's not rocket science.
RealityCheque
Banned
Yep the dual shock 4, while a great controller, is the least convenient for PC use. The lack of matching button prompts in games is also a bit annoying.
But Xbone and steam controller are literally plug and play.
But Xbone and steam controller are literally plug and play.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Up to this point I didn't even know they made adapters for the Xbone controller on PC.
You're asking a lot of PC illiterate people here to be able to research that this functionality exists. And you have to buy an extra adapter for it too. I'm also guessing Windows doesn't come with the drivers, it'll try and download them automatically. Which never works - once I couldn't get the Xbox 360 drivers to download through Windows Update.
It's the same thing as when I was younger - I'd say shit like, oh but it's so easy to install Linux! You just have to partition the hard drive and create a bootable disk! To most people that's just flabbergasting.
I want to, and I do it, but I'm not happy about it. And it's why I play mostly on consoles, which is the answer to the thread title.
NoKisum
Member
Wait, why are exclusives not a valid reason? I go where the games that interest me go. And a large amount of my favorite games are exclusives. I can't natively play stuff like Super Smash Bros., Pokémon, God of War, Splatoon, Journey, Bravely Default, Rhythm Heaven, Wipeout, and Zelda on a PC.
And yes, I have a gaming PC that I regularly play on.
And yes, I have a gaming PC that I regularly play on.
Teletraan1
Banned
They are mass market devices for $299-399. I know people keep stating that you can get a PC that will run circles around them for the same price but I (and the people suggesting them) wouldn't build one for themselves or a family member. They usually have to cut corners somewhere and having a $5 keyboard/mouse, a budget brand MB/Power Supply/Ram is going to be worthless and a fucking headache way faster than a console would be. I don't think the smug PC crowd suggesting this has actually ever put together a cheap PC using the budget parts or remember the headaches involved in doing so. It is one thing to make a shopping cart full of budget parts but having a stable PC out of that with a mouse/KB that will last longer than a week or a power supply with voltages that aren't all over the place is another. They are used to getting decent built parts and spend accordingly and added up it is not console prices.
It was actually an automatic windows system update. What i described in my previous post was the exact process of getting the pad to work wirelessly.
Its really super easy.
There are more masses (including kids) playing on PCs than on current consoles.
Are you still on XP? I can plug any of my xbone or 360 pads into my win 10 pcs and they'll automatically work. The drivers are already there. I just hit the power button on the controller and it works. Like on a console
That depends, does the adapter still come with the same shitty driver that doesn't have rumble and you have to update it yourself to get this? Seeing as I was in the wireless adapter thread explaining to people that they need to update their drivers and some were unable to, yes it is hard.
RealityCheque
Banned
It does come with the drivers, they work perfectly. The dongle works perfectly and connects up to 4 controllers.
No that was fixed within a couple of days AFAIK. Got mine maybe 7 days after launch and never saw it.
I'll definitely give you that the extra cost isn't ideal but its a PC, hardware costs come with the territory and are obviously a stronger point for console gaming. For me, that is offset by console games being an insane price (70 for a new release here in Europe).
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
You're making assumptions on the base level of understanding of what's needed, as I explained in my original post. You should read it. Your comment about the automatic Windows system update indicates that you didn't.
Windows 7. Nothing ever just works on Windows. Crashing, driver errors (ever had an nVidia driver installation crash on you? Just last weekend for me), can't download anything from Windows (Windows Update ran overnight and still couldn't fetch me my updates or DirectX), rebooting, etc. I'm usually nicer to Windows but my latest build had so many problems I'm staggered at the magnitude of how much can go wrong. I'm lucky I know what I'm doing.
I'd upgrade to Windows 10 but at this point I feel like not being very ambitious is the only way I'll get to play anything in the next few weeks.
That I don't know.
I bought the adapter a couple of weeks ago and everything(rumble included) worked flawlessly.
Gipsy Danger
Member
It's cool to learn that I'm basically a genius because I can build a PC and launch a game on it. This thread has gone way off the rails.
Equally true the other way around too.
