RealityCheque
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I know. What should we do with our newly discovered superpowers?
What`s the point in buying consoles if they take PC like approaches?
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I know. What should we do with our newly discovered superpowers?
hardcastlemccormick
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If you're a developer who has to do any UI/UX work, you'd know the truth: yes, you are. And I'm not joking. If you can use an iPad for five minutes without friction, you are exceptional.
I was just attempting to help a friend play some games she bought on Humble Bundle. Trying to convince them to not give up at the first sign of trouble was a huge task. It's hard for most people to not feel underequipped and give up.
Absolutely. I wouldn't be fighting through my issues if I didn't know that it's really nice to have a PC gaming setup once it's done. It's really spectacular.
Oh man, this thread is just amazing.
You're either kidding, or trying to run Steam on a 486.
Nah.
yaffi
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Well, for one never make the mistake to tell anyone you know how PCs work. Because then you're screwed forever.
silvermember
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What does the type of hardware the ps4 have mattered. People buy consoles for the software not because the CPU and gpu us made from PC parts. Do you ever ask why bother with Linux when windows is around? or steam machine over a good old windows computer?
The hardware isn't the main difference between PC and console.
Added.I have a PC I built in 2012, I was going to spend 300 bucks buying a new graphics card, then I am like why bother. Just get a ps4 and get access to more games that I actually want to play.
The hardware isn't the main difference between PC and console.
Added.I have a PC I built in 2012, I was going to spend 300 bucks buying a new graphics card, then I am like why bother. Just get a ps4 and get access to more games that I actually want to play.
I always just suffer from strange gliches when I try to play major games. Like, the Grim Fandango remastered: It would only display a quarter of the screen. I did everything I could to fix it; nothing. Tried tech support, nothing. Thankfully, Steam had just introduced returns.
Stuff like that is pretty common with me. Only smaller, usually indie, games work fine. Even then, it's hit or miss. (Sword an Swordcery had some bizarre bugs when I first tried to start it.)
manueldelalas
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The arguments on this thread, SMH...
I bought two years ago a cheap PC with a 760 card, runs current games like a champ, haven't had a crash on Steam since forever, Windows has never crashed, not a single time, and Windows 10 is soooo good.
Then the other day I picked up my super kid friendly 3DS to play Pokemon Picross, needed 3 upgrades and resets to launch the store, then 3 resets more to finally be able to download the game. I guess my system wasn't stable enough because of 3 months of being off.
Can't imagine a normal console being off for 3 months, and then trying to launch a game, waiting for system and game updates. I just read the horror stories on GAF...
The difference of consoles and PCs is so low now, that I honestly can't see the convenience of a console anymore, so if the advantages are gone, the drop in console sales this generation clearly show that this model of business is on the way out.
Consoles need an urgent reinvention, it will be fun to watch Nintendo's solution next year.
I have really bad luck with PCs and good luck with consoles. When Starcraft 2 came out I decided to try to get into PC gaming, bought a nice rig, and the motherboard went on it twice in one year. While I have some broken 360s, I was able to find a new model for $100. The PC was 10x that down the drain.
I do play games on my laptop, but LoL on low quality is about as much as it can handle.
I do play games on my laptop, but LoL on low quality is about as much as it can handle.
I'm guessing you've never worked as technical support. I've seen people who I have told multiple times to restart their pc never realize that before coming to me they should do that.
Also had a cousin who I tried to get into Rising Thunder. Somehow he set his resolution higher then his screen and was unable to play for weeks because he couldn't find the settings.
Play Smash Bros. and Mario Kart on PC.
But that's impossible, you can't play on TV with a controller on pc Nintendo games!
Honestly, this whole thread is ridiculous, there are a lot of console fanboys who don't have a clue what a pc is and talk so much trash about it like they're paid for it.
From the Kotaku interview
hardcastlemccormick
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My anecdote versus your anecdote. Great. You really won that argument. The year is 2015 and Windows still sucks.
I've had successful Windows installations too, but holy jesus is it a lot of work. Plus I'd argue that the 3DS's substandard update mechanism (which I agree is terrible) is still roughly equivalent to waiting for Windows Update and nVidia/AMD drivers to install.
This is a really good argument. Why don't more people use Linux? Because it's hard. No matter how easy Linux nerds claim Linux is, it's hard as hell. Most of us could handle it, but we don't because we're lazy.
RealityCheque
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Yep, I'm gonna need to see a video of that epic boot sequence and then screenshot of his specs.
You're still using Windows from 2009. It's time to update. Bonus: it's free.
Update your graphics drivers too. When you do, they tend to automatically update and warn you with a dialogue box telling you there's an update. They take a minute to do so.
silvermember
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Because PC gamers are not? Such arrogance.
Congratulations on being a badass. You torrent Wii u games how cool for you. I am pretty sure a lot of people are aware torrents exist, but believe or not some care about a game generating revenue so that devs can make a living. The people who buy the game subsidize your far likely criminal behavior.
I honestly doubt you bought a copy just to emulate on PC.
I own the Wii and dozens of games for it - and have ripped many games to play on dolphin. It's great if you have the hardware grunt
mikefrails
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I can't help it which platform Bloodborne comes on.
hardcastlemccormick
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Is Windows 10 that much of an upgrade? I did a little research and decided to hold off because I couldn't see any benefit, and it seemed like Windows 7 (fully patched) was still the gold standard.
Gipsy Danger
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I work IN tech support. I know how stupid the general public can be. This is an ENTHUSIAST gaming board and people act like you have to have a degree in aeronautical engineering to play PC games. It's not even what the thread was about.
Also, people aren't shit at computers because they are stupid but because they are lazy. It takes minimal effort to learn this stuff.
Stop looking at PC as a fixed system. Just because you're running a really low-end PC (based on that reply) doesn't mean that's the experience you have if you invest properly into it.
With my PC i can cold-boot and get into any game faster than i can on both my PS4 and XB1 if i cold-boot them. In comparison, i can put my PC on sleep mode and have comparable times with the consoles running with instant-on.
You also do not need to have a password. Your entire post is a lesson in the definition of hyperbole.
Windows 10 is just as good as Windows 7. No reason to hold off with the upgrade, especially considering you can easily do a roll-back to 7 if you're for some reason unhappy with it.
RealityCheque
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It's basically windows 7, modernised and without the 8.1 stuff. It works great and is pretty stable at this point so if you're looking to take the plunge, now is as good a time as any.
When all else fails, call them pirates.
RealityCheque
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I think he was referring to the Wii versions of those games, which are fairly trivial to rip and run on a PC. That's a hell of an assumption you've made about his post.
hardcastlemccormick
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It really isn't minimal. It seems trivial to us because we've done it, in the same way that writing a complex program seems basic enough once we've done it.
This is what I like to hear. Bring on Windows 10.
Nowhere to go but up. j/k
Gipsy Danger
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It is trivial. I would never consider writing a complex program trivial but learning how to build a PC is so easy a child could do it. Same with maintaining it, it's not difficult. You just have to put in a little effort which is apparently like moving a mountain to some people. If people don't want to put in any effort whatsoever then fair enough but don't pretend it's some mammoth task that is out of their reach, it's just laziness - plain and simple.
MakeMeFeelAlive
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I imagine most of us do it because it's cheaper and easier. The older I have gotten. The less time I have to dedicate to games, much less putting together and keeping up with a PC. Just plug and go.
Once certain exclusives get you, you're pretty much staying with the ecosystem
Once certain exclusives get you, you're pretty much staying with the ecosystem
I've built PCs and I can afford a powerful PC but I don't want a PC.
I want a console specifically designed to be placed under my TV, with an operating system designed to be used with a controller and with a large corporation backing it.
I also strongly disagree with the idea that PCs are better in terms of power to performance ratio.
I want a console specifically designed to be placed under my TV, with an operating system designed to be used with a controller and with a large corporation backing it.
I also strongly disagree with the idea that PCs are better in terms of power to performance ratio.
Keep in mind that you can actually run Wii and GameCube games from their retail discs on an emulator. This is what I have been doing with an LG disc Drive up till 2012 when I sold the PC for health and uni expenses. Still have the drive and the games and consoles, but fully intend to returning to emulation when I have my new machine. It works great and I have no idea how it could be considered piracy since I own the system and retail games.
comshoplesce
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Easy of use, friends, resell value retail games.
PC only digital = no resell value at all + constantly needs upgrades.
PC only digital = no resell value at all + constantly needs upgrades.
Gipsy Danger
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uwotm8. Do you mean like electricity or did you mean to say price/performance? Because you would be wrong.
Just reasoning and common sense.
Being lazy is what the console relies on.
derExperte
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You forgot the part where you stare at loading screens longer and more often on consoles even after upgrading to an SSD while on PC I get nervous as soon as I see one for more than two seconds. Plug, wait & eventually play. Sure, the PS4's sleep mode helps a little (as long as you only play one title at a time), some games like The Order mask load times rather well and it's not as horrendous as during lastgen (didn't stop the same silly arguments) but I'd rather spend a few minutes fiddling around once instead of getting interrupted for 20 seconds here and 40 seconds there. The time investment up front is smaller and I recognize that setting up a console is easier but once that's done I bet I'm usually getting more actual gaming done in the same time window.
Some games run noticeably better on W10 especially if your graphics card doesn't have a lot of VRAM and W8 was already faster during day to day use than 7. I honestly can't think of a reason not to upgrade though you have a few more months before it stops being free so no pressure to do it right now.
Okay so performance thread isn't a good example how about the GTAV PC launch OT?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1028101&page=25
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hardcastlemccormick
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It isn't trivial at all. Only a very exceptional child could build a PC. A very small percentage of the population has the ability to configure Windows and use it well. It's not just laziness, it's the confidence that if you do enough research you can make the damn thing work. Us computer folks know that we can, eventually, break through the learning curve. Most people just assume they can't and get fed up after the third problem, assuming they're just not up to the task, not realizing that it's also the last problem they need to solve before it all mostly works for them.
Trivializing the process is the easiest way to get people to never want to use a PC for anything. The first thing I do when I'm helping someone with technology is acknowledge that this shit is hard. It always is. People's feelings of frustration, anger, and annoyance at the complexity involved in mundane tasks is legitimate, as much as someone learning how to use Linux for the first time, or someone learning C++ for the first time.
Why does the power to performance ratio matter?
Leafhopper
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Everyone is on vacation.
Evolution of Metal
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Price
Ease of use
Exclusives
Local Multiplayer
Multi-media device
Ease of use
Exclusives
Local Multiplayer
Multi-media device
"No resell value" - game purchases are made with that in mind. Second-hand hardware market is thriving and has excellent "resell value"
"Constantly need upgrades" - completely erroneous. You can do that if you want, but it is in no way necessary at all. I am currently playing on a Laptop that is 4 years old and was mid range in its day, akin to a low end PC from a year prior. I am still using it without issue for many games. For my actual PC i used to have, I made a conscious choice to upgrade every 3 years at a cost of between £60 - £80 when selling the original component. Others decide to upgrade a lot later or sooner. That's freedom of choose and scalability.
Jacksinthe
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Same answers as always, OP. Unified platform, peripherals (to a large extent), playing field, exclusives and ease of use.
RealityCheque
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Constantly? Because there's a GAF thread dedicated to showing old (and I mean OLD) rigs running new games at 1080p/30fps with no trouble.
The upgrade cycle with a PC can easily be as long as a console generation.
The PC performance threads are always full of people talking about finding the right drivers for new titles, and people dealing with random crashes that are often driver related. Gaming podcasts feature discussions about hours spent tweaking settings to get a game to run properly. I've owned PCs from major manufacturers where there was no combination of drivers that worked correctly. just tradeoffs from one set of problems to another.
I have limited free time and literally none of these headaches with a console.
I think it's fair to say I'm as technically inclined as someone is likely to get (career in software, working hands-on at senior levels for companies that are household names) but after a few decades of PC gaming I eventually settled comfortably onto consoles as my primary gaming platform. I'm not surprised that many from all walks of life make the same decision.
RichiRamjag
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There are also a lot of people who are unable or simply don't want to understand that the majority of the population has issues with the most basic of concepts in regards to PCs. Worked tech support way back. People can't grasp the very basic concepts and many don't want to.
Same boat, been working a technical profession since my teens and there are minor gripes that I just don't want to deal with. Why folks would expect the everyday person to watch youtube tutorials or check forums for advice is beyond me.
He said excluding exclusives.
I pretty sure both have local multiplayer, which few games have nowadays.
A pc is literally the ultimate multi-media device.
Gipsy Danger
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I still think it's a trivial process and the only thing stopping people is laziness. You even point that out yourself in the bolded. That's laziness, nothing to do with how difficult it is. I started building machines when I was 14, I would hardly consider myself exceptional.
There's no way you are equating building a computer with learning Linux or C++, which are far and away more complex.
Kurt Russell
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Truth be told, the "right drivers" are usually the latest drivers (and those get auto downloaded by most graphics card manufacturers' software)
Huevos de Oro
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Brb guys gotta reboot for my third driver update of the morning. Geez, these bi-weekly hardware upgrades are really annoying.
As per the OP's question, I'd say convenience (a broad term) and exclusives would be the main reasons. Of course different people might have different reasons.
As per the OP's question, I'd say convenience (a broad term) and exclusives would be the main reasons. Of course different people might have different reasons.