What the heck is wrong with Mario in DDR?
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Of All Trades
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No, he's countering the assertion that Nintendo is alone in creating three new successful franchises this gen.GDJustin said:
Of All Trades said:
Touche. I'll admit that my original post that stated that was off base. That being said, its really a topic for another thread. What that sales data shows is that Nintendo's established franchises sell well on their system, and very little else does, whether it be from them, or a 3rd party. It stands to reason then that more games with nintendo's established franchises will lead to greater sales.
Of All Trades
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The problem with the idea of tossing Mario & Co. into non-Mario games is that it will most likely lead to a longterm lose-lose situation. The two outcomes of prime concern should be:GDJustin said:
1. Adding Mario to games increases game sales by a proportionally significant amount. This will indicate to 3rd parties that the only games that sell on Nintendo home consoles are ones containing Mario, and as such 3rd parties will only put games on Nintendo systems if the game is allowed to have Mario. This will dilute the Mario franchise PLUS ensure that games that Nintendo refuses to stick Mario into will not be on the console.
2. Adding Mario to games only slightly increases game sales (or not at all). This will further cement the (fairly accurate) view that 3rd party games don't sell at all under any circumstances. The end result is few, if any, 3rd party games on Nintendo consoles.
I think a big test will be how well RE4 sells. It's getting very good reviews and is (or was) a major franchise. While the release date is something to be desired, it shouldn't be enough to block big sales numbers, assuming the game would have ever sold well.
DarkScorpion
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If Donkey Konga worked, this will definitely work as well.
And in the same way, where does it say all the songs are going to be Nintendo-themed?
If they add some popular Jpop songs in the JP version I will be forced to import it.
And in the same way, where does it say all the songs are going to be Nintendo-themed?
If they add some popular Jpop songs in the JP version I will be forced to import it.
ZombieSupaStar
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MARIO IS DANCING!
MARIO IS PLAYING BASEBALL!
MARIO IS TEACHING THE TYPING!
that crazy mario!
MARIO IS PLAYING BASEBALL!
MARIO IS TEACHING THE TYPING!
that crazy mario!
ZombieSupaStar
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we need a new "nintendo game ideas wheel"
1. Connectivity
2. Put Mario in it
3. three week exclusive
4. (next poster add one! passit on)
1. Connectivity
2. Put Mario in it
3. three week exclusive
4. (next poster add one! passit on)
ZombieSupaStar
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good good but we have to make the items screen to only be accessable on the DS via the yet to be released GC -> DS Mini card barcode scanner!
I really don't think it does. Have you seen home sale numbers for the last few DDR games? An apt one word summary would be "anemic". Then it should be considered that a) anyone that has wanted DDR has had the last 5 years to buy the proper system(s) to do so and b) the game inherently asks people to buy yet another proprietary controller.GDJustin said:
Well, OK. Maybe I'm not giving enough credit to the Wallet of The Hive, but I really would be shocked if the game sells more than 200K in Japan and 500K in the US.
SonicMegaDrive
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monkeyrun said:
I'd buy it.
Mario is a pretty universal character. He can be applied to many different types of game. From the look of the DDR screenshots, it fits quite well, so as long as it's a quality game I don't mind.
But I do agree with the points that this may be reinforcing the need for Nintendo characters to sell a game on GC.
But I do agree with the points that this may be reinforcing the need for Nintendo characters to sell a game on GC.
Do The Mario
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6. Brand new edutainment title: Mario is Missing Kart
do nintendo fans really want mario in everything? i don't know much about ddr, but wouldn't you want it to come with its own aesthetics and music and quirks? that's part of what i enjoy about a new game, anyway. it's part of why i like minna no golf better than mario golf. even outside of whatever bleaching, devaluing effect all these spinoffs have on mario, i think it's unhealthy that so many nintendo games take place in his world. but then nintendo fans must not want the things i want. that's how they manage to be nintendo fans.
drohne said:
Point is, GC owners probably wouldn't get DDR at all if the Nintendo didn't allow Konami to use Mario characters. It's a case of DDR with Mario or no DDR at all.
Which kind of is sad. On the one hand, Nintendo has a loyal following of fans that buys their systems. But then they are so loyal that they go on to focus their purchasing power on Nintendo games alone. Thus, we arrive back at the core problem of Nintendo expanding its appeal beyond the converted to the wider masses who aren't just looking for Nintendo games. How do you do that? That's a big problem, seemingly. You could say they need more games of type X or type Y. And that's possibly true, particularly in terms of FPS/Racing/Sports. But even then, there was a point when the GC catalogue looked pretty diverse, and it didn't reel people in. You could say Nintendo needs to make those type of games themselves - that's fine, but then people would just buy those, not relieving the third party situation much. Is it something as simple as marketing your machine as more than a games console? I don't know.
edit - Actually, having thought about it more, perhaps this is the answer. Or perhaps this is what Nintendo thinks is the answer. There's a logic to it: expose "converted" Nintendo fans who are "unconverted" as far as third parties go, to third parties games through the carrot of Nintendo characters, and perhaps going forward, games in those franchises will be more popular with GC owners, no longer relying on the presence of Nintendo characters to sell the games. Thus publishers will put more games on GC, thus GC grows in popularity among gamers already converted to such third party games. It may simply be a case of broadening the tastes of GC owners so there will come a point where this is no longer necessary and third partys are successful on Nintendo home systems standing on their own two feet.
It's a means of letting third parties tap into the success Nintendo enjoys due to the loyalty of their userbase so that they can enjoy future success on their own. Including Nintendo characters is like a Nintendo-endorsement of that franchise - the idea being that Nintendo fans will become DDR/NFL Street/Whatever fans and extend that same loyalty to those franchises. I'm sure Nintendo is only doing this with franchises complementary to their own - you won't see Mario characters appear in the next Jak & Daxter, for example.
Great King Bowser
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DDR announced just as I get a PS2. I'm still pretty happy though, don't see what the problem is.
Link316 said:
True, there was a Disney Mix released for PS1 (not sure if it was the same game though). I don't have anything against the classic Disney characters, I thought it was rather charming...but it definitely felt like they were trying to aim the game at children because of the difficulty. They COMPLETELY removed the highest difficulty setting, so you only had the two lower to choose from (at least in the PAL release of the game). It made the game way too easy, so easy I lost interest. I have a feeling the game will be made easier with Mario in it too, but we'll see.
GMUNYIFan said:
Because, like anything, people are going to eventually get tired of seeing the same old thing in every game they consume. I've never seen such an accelerated use of rhe Mario franchise. You even get the added bonus of the character having been around for years and years, as opposed to the late 80s/early 90s whoring where he was still a relati vely fresh property.
Nintendo fans still like Mario, but the fact that the other consoles can survive and even do BETTER in the marketplace without the aid of cute mascots says a lot. To a lot of people, especially the teenagers, Mario is no longer "cool." Yes, once again, he will continue to sell to little kids and Nintendo fans and nostalgia buffs.
Anyway, my point boils down to the idea that by slapping Mario characters on anything and everything, Nintendo will eventually dilute the franchise so much that it will have lost all meaning. Usually, upward trends like this (people buying games because Mario characters are included) are followed by sharp falls once the trend wanes (people will be sick of Mario and want something different). I just hope Miyamoto isn't the one behind all of this whoring-out. He should know better than anybody else how destructive that behavior can be.
So Wario Ware "CAN NOT be considered a new IP under any stretch" but games dependant on licensed properties and prexisting events or bodies like NBA Street, NFL Street, Def Jam Vendetta, Fight Night, ATV Offroad Fury, SOCOM: Navy Seals, Jet Li: Rise to Honor, Project Gotham Racing, Amped, NFL Fever, Crimson Skies: High Road to Revenge, Rallisport Challenge, NFL Fever, Midnight Club, Conflict: Desert Storm or Celebrity Deathmatch can? Neat how that works.sonycowboy said:
