What's so bad about Killzone?
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Littleberu
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Rhindle said:
Ok. Where does my reputation comes from?
Littleberu
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Raoul Duke said:
But I own a PC and a Gamecube. Does that make me a hybrid of some kind?
Kabuki Waq
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Whats bad about killzone? everything except for presentation and Atmosphere.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"Sure -- succintly, in fact. Piss poor level design, flat ambience, an uninteresting story. Of course, this is all subjective, not unlike your opinion of Killzone."
or course - each to their own. But what about the game play (of both Killzone and Halo) rather than the ambience? You think Halo and Halo 2 have average game play too?
I'd -personally- disagree with the piss poor level design thing - especially on Halo 2. The Story is kind of weird, the Nyland books are awesome, but the H2 story let it down a lot. But hey
or course - each to their own. But what about the game play (of both Killzone and Halo) rather than the ambience? You think Halo and Halo 2 have average game play too?
I'd -personally- disagree with the piss poor level design thing - especially on Halo 2. The Story is kind of weird, the Nyland books are awesome, but the H2 story let it down a lot. But hey
I'll give you another reason why it is rather mediocre. Killzone gives you several different characters to play through the missions, but there is little to no variation between these characters. There is another notch against the gamplay. I found the game to be rather derivative as well, and the control was so unsmooth, I might as well have been controlling a tank.
XS+ said:
I never said I liked Halo's level design either. They were terrible. But there's one thing that Halo got right, and that was the difficulty. Legendary difficulty > "hard" difficulty on Killzone. Killzone on hard mode was a joke from what I played (1-3 missions after getting the 4th character). And since Halo got brought up into this thread, yes I was more entertained by Halo than what I played in Killzone. Killzone wasn't challenging at all, it wasn't fun and it was boring. I didn't find it fun because Killzone was TOO slow. The game did a good job with the animation and stuff, but the long reloading times and such made the gameplay experience crappy. Coupled this with shitty AI and all I got was a boring experience.
And you guys keep saying the music is spectacular in this game, yet I don't remember at any point of the game where music was played during gameplay. Music during cutscenes don't count cause quite frankly, I don't really care about storylines in FPS games
As I quote from one of Killzone's enemies, "WE NEED SUPPORT." Indeed, this game could have used more support
Littleberu
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Blame! said:
I didn't back up any statements because I didn't made them.
Killzone looks great, haven't played it but looks fun.
I think Halo 1 levedesign was awesome, there was so many memorable great levels and only one level that pretty much sucked ass. Halo 1 leveldesign is much, much better then Halo 2 level design in my opinion, much less lineair.
But like someone said, everyone likes different things, it's such a useless discussion.
I think Halo 1 levedesign was awesome, there was so many memorable great levels and only one level that pretty much sucked ass. Halo 1 leveldesign is much, much better then Halo 2 level design in my opinion, much less lineair.
But like someone said, everyone likes different things, it's such a useless discussion.
Littleberu said:
Fuck Halo 2? I don't think one can be that dismissive of a title so insanely popular, as it is going to impact future FPSes regardless of your opinion of it. Halo 2 is the benchmark for modern FPSes because it is simply the best-selling one at the moment. Regardless of your personal preference in games, other developers are going to attempt to emulate a successful title (cough, Goldeneye: RA) and gamers are going to expect them to. Like it or not, it's the way it is.
As for Half-Life 2 kicking Halo 2's ass. Eh, I'm going to have to respectively disagree. Make no mistake, I enjoyed Half-Life 2 considerably, but I consider its levels disappointing when compared to the original, the vehicle 'chase' sequences went on for FAR too long, and the AI was fairly disappointing (especially when the original grunts were so revolutionary way back when and still seem kind of impressive). In terms of characters, facial animation, and physics, Half-Life 2 wins hands down, but I consider Halo 2 to be the most fun of the two. For me, I think it's the seamless transition and integration of vehicles into the game, a level of weapon management and choices that HL2 simply does not provide, and frankly I found Halo 2's levels more exciting. So much of HL2 came off as barren and boring to me. This is opinion, don't take it personal.
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SantaCruZer said:
please.
Killzone got blasted because there were only 2 FPS that mattered this fall: Halo 2 and Half Life 2.
Almost any other FPS was doomed from the start no matter how good they were.
As for your topic, I got Killzone for Christmas and I'm loving it (especially online). I'm enjoying it more than Halo 2 to be honest... I can only shoot aliens so many times with those SHITTY aliens guns before I want to kill myself. And I HATE the way Halo 2 online is. So confined because of some stupid stat system. :\
Oh well... don't pay attention to what people say, enjoy Killzone. There are plenty of people playing it online so go ahead and hop on.
Almost any other FPS was doomed from the start no matter how good they were.
As for your topic, I got Killzone for Christmas and I'm loving it (especially online). I'm enjoying it more than Halo 2 to be honest... I can only shoot aliens so many times with those SHITTY aliens guns before I want to kill myself. And I HATE the way Halo 2 online is. So confined because of some stupid stat system. :\
Oh well... don't pay attention to what people say, enjoy Killzone. There are plenty of people playing it online so go ahead and hop on.
SantaCruZer said:
It's not.
I've just replayed it via HL-Source...and, well, it hasn't aged too gracefully. It was quite a benchmark, but it has been more than outdone...
Simply bringing features to the table is not the only important aspect of creating an FPS. Halo, for example, brings great content to the table along with THE best gameplay mechanics the genre has ever seen. There are other titles which have done plenty for the genre as well...
Killzone isn't a bad game, but it has too many problems. The framerate alone is enough to prevent the game from standing out as a classic. It runs absolutely terrible and is almost unplayable as a result. Then you have the piss poor AI which leads to fairly bland combat and some extremely linear level designs. It has great atmosphere and can be somewhat enjoyable at times, but it is no classic and is too flawed to ever be considered as one.
SantaC
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dark10x said:It's not.
I've just replayed it via HL-Source...and, well, it hasn't aged too gracefully. It was quite a benchmark, but it has been more than outdone...
Well it was my opinion
My fps interest peaked with Quake3, HL1 and CS. I can't really get excited over a fps anymore. I was for HL2, but I was kinda disappointed.
Razoric said:
Try beating Halo 2 on Legendary without said 'shitty alien guns'
. I think Bungie really made it a point to improve the Covenant weapons, and how on earth can you call the Covenant sniper rifle, dual needlers, brute sword, etc shitty? Once you figure out the unique advantages of each weapon as well as what combos work well, the game becomes that much more fun. If anything, Halo 2 got weapons right or to quote the guy from the bonus DVD, it's about "weapons, and mo' weapons".tedtropy said:Try beating Halo 2 on Legendary without said 'shitty alien guns'
I didn't say the guns were useless, I just dont have fun with them. And I don't want to have to play the game over again to "enjoy" it... I beat it on normal setting and it was a fairly bland game with some stupid AI. Online is awesome though (for a console FPS that is)... I just hate the Xbox Live setup. Seems like I'm going to the elementary school of online gaming. :\
Razoric said:
For people that played the original Halo, I'd really recommend starting the game on 'Heroic' rather than 'Normal'. Bungie really ramped down the difficulty of the Normal-level difficulty in order for the game to appeal to more gamers. The AI is anything but stupid on the later two difficulties. I think it's safe to say it's a different game on the harder difficulties, as you'll initially go in with the attitude you had while playing on 'Normal' and quickly have your ass handed to you. The whole game feels more earned, but of course it likely helps to have enjoyed the game to begin with. As for XBox live seeming like 'the elementary school of online gaming', well, it is. It's got to appeal to a market that's put off by some of the complexities of PC gaming. XBox live makes console multiplayer pretty simple, and it's commendable for that.
The game isn't bad...but it is incredibly average. The gameplay itself is nothing special, the levels are all extremely straightforward, and the graphics can be quite ugly(specially on the jungle and forest levels). In fact, the only time the game looks good is in the slums, I'd say. The controls are unresponsive, aiming is a bitch in this game(and not just with the sniper rifle, which I thought was kinda cool). OTOH, the framerate is not as bad as most people said, it's functional.
The whole game just has a very unpolished look and feel to it, you can really tell it's unfinished. It can be stupid fun, I guess, but I certainly don't understand why I played it until the end.
At the beginning I thought this game had potential and would have been a pretty good one if Guerrila had been given more time. But after finishing it...I think not.
Also, this game *needed* in-game music. Constantly hearing I NEED SUPPORT and THEY GOT ME PINNED DOWN is no replacement.
The whole game just has a very unpolished look and feel to it, you can really tell it's unfinished. It can be stupid fun, I guess, but I certainly don't understand why I played it until the end.
At the beginning I thought this game had potential and would have been a pretty good one if Guerrila had been given more time. But after finishing it...I think not.
Also, this game *needed* in-game music. Constantly hearing I NEED SUPPORT and THEY GOT ME PINNED DOWN is no replacement.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
"I can only shoot aliens so many times with those SHITTY aliens guns before I want to kill myself. And I HATE the way Halo 2 online is. So confined because of some stupid stat system. :\"
.... SHITTY aliens guns?
.... HATE the way Halo 2 is online?
.... confined because of some stupid stat system?
Seeing as you are so high, can you fix the Hubble space craft while you are up there?
Remember , PS2ools motto : Our game is shit, but the xbox game HAS to be shitter!
.... SHITTY aliens guns?
.... HATE the way Halo 2 is online?
.... confined because of some stupid stat system?
Seeing as you are so high, can you fix the Hubble space craft while you are up there?
Remember , PS2ools motto : Our game is shit, but the xbox game HAS to be shitter!
Boring, boring boring comparisons between especially Halo (2) and Killzone cluttering this topic to death - screw the haters. Had a blast with the game (Killzone), certainly not perfect nor the best FPS released this yeat, but special and unique in it's own way. As said before, cool atmosphere, decent story, nice characters, extremely cool weapons and enjoyable online play are some of the strong points.
Graphical flaws such as worthless ragdoll physics and pop-up, the limited amount of lines for Helghast soldiers are irritating but didn't ruin the game for me. I'm looking forward to the sequel. For some reason Killzone's presentation appeals to me more than most other shooters.
Graphical flaws such as worthless ragdoll physics and pop-up, the limited amount of lines for Helghast soldiers are irritating but didn't ruin the game for me. I'm looking forward to the sequel. For some reason Killzone's presentation appeals to me more than most other shooters.
Great Wasabi Man
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ummm thats great but no ones talking about Halo
and whats with the if you hate halo 2 your a ps2 fan boy...I HATED halo 2(terribly boring game with a shitty online mode) traded it in for Half-life 2 and never been happier with a trade. I also haven't touched my PS2 in almost a year and my NGC in like 6 months. wait I frogt I played MGS3 for 3 hours...OH NOS! I must be a PS2 fan boy cause I played my PS2 and hated Halo 2!?!?!
CrimsonSkies
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"What's so bad about Killzone?"
Are we actually suppose to read your post after this is in the title of it?
Are we actually suppose to read your post after this is in the title of it?
Halo 2 normal is stupid easy. But I know some people that think Easy is challenging so I understand why Bungie did what they did as far as making normal in its current state the default.
From what i played of KZ, I like the music alot, but it is nowhere NEAR Halos level as a complete package. Not even close.
From what i played of KZ, I like the music alot, but it is nowhere NEAR Halos level as a complete package. Not even close.
Mister Zimbu
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I'm more of a multiplayer person. Halo/2 was too generic for me- nothing stood out about it in the multiplayer department. Weapons are boring and bring nothing new. Combining that with the horribly slow pace gives it a check-minus.
Give me UT2K4 or Timesplitters 2 any day. Far superior to Halo/2.
Give me UT2K4 or Timesplitters 2 any day. Far superior to Halo/2.
Keyser Soze said:YES!!! FPSs are supposed to be challenging arent they? I might as well be shooting frikking fish in a frikken barrel, it is actually harder than playing Killzone.
Face it there are so many little things that are wrong with the game that make it terrible. Nothing is VERY wrong but the combination of all the things that could have been better make it a below average game. Also the time Sony chose to release it was absolute suicide so that did not help.
Also games are supposed to be about having fun arent they? I had no fun playing Killzone at all, anyone that found fun in it then well done to them but the fun is buried very deep inside this one for me.
ALL RIGHT! LET'S END THIS RIGHT NOW!!! Somebody has been getting this wrong for years and i want to know who is right and who is wrong, and it's time it ended. So which is it? Frikkin or Friggin?
Mister Zimbu
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Any1 said:
Friggin'.