Every continent's history is full of war. Europe just had the technology to do it on a larger, flashier scale in the past 3-4 centuries. Read up on the history of the Korean Peninsula for instance. Those guys were always at war with each other or China.
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What's the most diverse country in the world? Yeah, that's right, you guessed it.
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Every continent's history is full of war. Europe just had the technology to do it on a larger, flashier scale in the past 3-4 centuries. Read up on the history of the Korean Peninsula for instance. Those guys were always at war with each other or China.
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I'm fully aware of that but there's a reason why Europe ended up dragging the rest of the world into global conflicts both times. It's a pretty unique feature to it.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Racial hatred and classification is an ancient concept found all around the world. At best you could pin "scientific racism" on white people, if you must take that route.
War, conquest, colonialism, imperialism and genocide are historically all common human endeavors. Scale is the only difference when it comes to the European practice of these things.
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Because the world cares enough about European politics to intervene?
Yep. There's a reason that Africa dominates that list, and it's because it's filled with countries that are not heavily urbanized, and have borders that don't correspond well to any ethnic group, let alone the dozens that might be in any one.
Middle eastern is white. Latin could be any race. The American lens sucks.
lightskintwin
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Ethnic hatred. Race is a social construct.
SecretSphere
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And even then I think many people in the Netherlands still identify themselves as Limburgian, Frisian, Achterhoeker etc.. and have many distinct features in language, religion, last names and cultural customs that may be larger than between some groups that are considered of different etnicity in this research. I think the methodology doesn't present a good view of the diversity of some countries.
Okay, definitely. You're not wrong, but it's a weird thing to bring up to Americans when they're "trying" more to go the acceptance/integration route.
Dusk Soldier
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ok. This is the 2013 cast of Canadian Big Brother.
and this is the 2013 cast of the American version:
I want your honest opinion. Which cast is more racially diverse?
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WorriedCitizen
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Seems a bit flawed that tribes only counts towards diversity in some countries but is completely taken out of the picture in others. If anything this highlights to me that colonial borders make it hard for people to find and accept a national identity. Or that some racialy and culturally close groups just didn't come together yet to form a national identity.
I find that interesting considering the history of my own country, Germany, which ranks pretty low on that list. For the longest time the map of central Europe looked like a clusterfuck thanks to each German tribe having it's own state. Only in 1871 Germany unified for the first time. The German language as something that people from north to south can understand only took proper shape after the protestant reformation thanks to Martin Luthers translation of the bible.
I find that interesting considering the history of my own country, Germany, which ranks pretty low on that list. For the longest time the map of central Europe looked like a clusterfuck thanks to each German tribe having it's own state. Only in 1871 Germany unified for the first time. The German language as something that people from north to south can understand only took proper shape after the protestant reformation thanks to Martin Luthers translation of the bible.
JonnyDBrit
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Oh, those are just the ones we named World Wars. We had figured out global conflict by the Seven Years War at least.
I don't know what to tell you, but we just voted Trump.
Who said anything about race.
You also likely notice foreigners because they stick out. Also, tourists.
It looks like there were about 16k American foreign nationals living in Tokyo proper in 2012, out of a population of 13 million. Even if you combine foreign nationals from China, South Korea, and the Philippines (so not just non-east asians), the number is less than 500k out of 13M. Not very diverse. And as you say, diversity takes a dive as soon as you leave the city.
Tal Shiar Agent
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They are roughly the same.
Speaking for switzerland, if you are slavic for example , you can have a very hard time integrating yourself based on appearance and name alone (though it's getting better). Just because the skin colour is the same doesn't mean there are not plenty of other visual tells. Europeans will and are still able categorize from which part and ethnicity of europe you come from based on how you look.
That leads to exactly the same issues with prejudices, systemic rascism ect. as when people have different skin colour.
This is true in other parts of the world too.
You just named 3 at the very beginning of your list?
Principate
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That's an extremely simplistic and naive definition of diversity. Even among black people within of all sorts of African countries you may still feel more alientated in that sane countru than you would in some western countries.
lightskintwin
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Are you really going to use an anecdotal example? LOL
For the sake of argument, let's say your right, I think the biggest problem is nobody watches Canadian shows so people's perception of Canada is skewed towards pasty whiteness.
My bet is on education/affluence.
There is already a global community of young liberal high profiles that probably feels more connected to someone of the same group from abroad than to some people of their own community.
Charles Brandon
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I'm not sure that it's that people with the same skin colour are necessarily ethnically similar, it's that two people who hail from the same geographic location and are therefore likley to have the same skin colour are likely to be more ethnically similar than two other people who come from different sides of the plant and whose skin colour (may) reflect(s) that geographic distance.
Having the same skin colour as someone else is a poor indicator of genetic similarity but having different skin colour from someone is a good indicator of genetic difference.
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Or more accurately Europe has affected so much of the world through colonialism that shit that occurs there tends to spread.
Exactly scale is the entire point and I'm not only talking technologically. The influence of those wars don't simply effect Europe like most Country/contental wars they spread much further
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the've also still got cannibals and being a woman there is SUPER not fun.
And the others? People identify with race, culture, language, and yes. Skin color.
If I go to an employer who touts diversity and I get there to find 12 different versions of "third generation" british thats gonna leave me pretty annoyed.
CheDominik
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Speaking from a German perspective: There was a big immigration wave of Iranian intellectuals who left Iran after the revolution. They have the highest rate(IIRC) of university degrees per capita. There is no anti-Iranian sentiment in the German populace at all. I think it's more of a class/education issue than an ethnic one.
edit: Beaten by Fritz of all people
efyu_lemonardo
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I think there's a bigger reason to discount Canada: its tiny population compared to the US. Diversity may be the topic of this thread but on a practical matter I think most of us can agree that achieving it on a large scale is much more difficult than on a small one.
lightskintwin
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No but my point is skin color grouping and hatred exacerbated during colonialism, imperialism, and the Atlantic slave trade. Ethnic hatred was more prevalent because as you said they hail from the same geographic location and tend to be your neighbors despite being the same skin color.
No doubt, I was just explaining why people think of Canada as less diverse than America and why that perception still persists.
Saucycarpdog
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I mean, Disney made a successful kids movie about the Polynesian people without a single white character.
How is that a valid excuse?
It's the same story in the Czech Republic but not on such a wild level. Outside of Prague it's very homogenous with a very small amount of ex-Vietnamese and a little Roma. My grandma probably hasn't seen a black person since she last visited our family in the States and she lives in a 100 thousand populated city. Country side? It's pure white except for extreme exceptions. Japan with 98.5% of the population being Japanese? It's a whole nother level regardless of tourism. That tourism means jack in terms of being more understanding of the outside world. And not in a negative or positive sense. Just a number game. Especially outside the major cities.
Fair.
KillerMan91
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Not today but as far as I know in 50s and 60s when huge amount of finns emigrated to Sweden they were treated as second class citizens and there were actual programs trying to turn them more ''swedish'' (not allowing speak finnish in schools etc).
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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All these have been things for thousands of years. The only thing Europeans did different was possess the technology to perform them on a global scale.
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JonnyDBrit
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Honestly that's in line with the typical model of migrant distribution across a country, particularly in the modern era. Migrants tend to cluster around cities and other areas of relatively high development for reasons of economic opportunity, ease of transition (as in, if there's existing communities of transition), and access to resources. In nations where such migration is at least somewhat extensive - like the UK - this can filter out into less urban areas, but will still see difficulty penetrating the truly rural.
That's why he said exacerbated. As in, enhanced. Made worse.
On the point of the slave trade, what Europeans promoted is what is particularly known as 'chattel slavery', which is slavery en masse and that treats the slave as little more than an object. Chattel slavery was not previously unheard of but it wasn't the big form of slavery either, and moreover, slavery had become quite contentious back in many of the European countries that would go on to actually promote the atlantic slave trade. The dehumanisation that was part of that was necessary to overcome the dissonance of the fact that slavery was technically not legal in say, England itself at the time (read on Somerset vs. Stewart), and shifted the way that race was seen to influence a person's very nature.
lightskintwin
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It was ethnic hatred, not something rooted in a philosophy like White Supremacy.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say, or why population matters much beyond a certain point. There are like 7-8 countries in the world which don't have "small" populations compared to the United States. Are those the only ones that count?
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This is exactly the kind of intellectual divide I was talking about. Sooner or later (and at the current rate I'm betting on sooner) there will be a large fracture along those lines.
Edit: and I'm hoping that when this fracture manifests itself it will go along with a unification along the orthogonal lines of ethnicity and race.
Nester99
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Diversity in Canada is a bit scewed. The majority of it happens in just two/three cities.
Charles Brandon
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I can get on board with that. Of course, ethnicity in African society as a concept was fundamentally altered by the colonial experience. What was once a fluid, complex system of relationships based on geographic, social, familial and trading contacts (and probably some other factors I've forgotten) was reduced to simply Tribe One and Tribe Two by the Europeans. Partly from ignorance but mostly as a device by which to control the population. Tribe One gets put in charge but if Tribe One fucks with London, then Tribe Two gets the job AKA divide and rule. This still has an impact today.
I suppose what I'm saying is that, with just a little digging, there are so many side issues and semantic and subjective judgements around ethnicity, that any attempt to count separate ethnicities and rank countries based on that count is going to need to be a lot more in depth and considered than the approach taken here, which is a fag packet job when you break it down. And to be fair, it is not claiming to be scholarly work.
Yup. Diversity hinges on people actually mixing for real and travel and access are key to that.
Sadly that's why we're seeing push-back like in US and UK to an extent now. It's partly driven by a fear of real diversity and cultural change (among other factors to be sure) and it's about trying to slow it down and refocus on a notion of what a "true" citizen of those countries are.
Myself the sooner we all mix a shit ton and interbreed a shit ton the better. Remove the very foundations of "us/them" as quickly as possible.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Race in that context is just a large collection of ethnicities defined by common perceived characteristics.
White Supremacy is no more deeply rooted in philosophy than any other supremacist attitude. The scientific language they use is a mostly unique trait though.
It wouldn't matter if we were all the same race if far more divisive concepts like religion, language and cultural practice remained the same
bobnowhere
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Yeah, this seems like nonsense.
The article claims Australia is famously anti-immigration when the opposite is much closer to the truth. Yes we are scared of a few thousand people coming via boats and lock them up in overseas gulags but we also accept near to the highest refugee intake on a per capita basis and of whole economic success over the last 25 years is based on allowing as many people in a possible as fast as possible to force growth.
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I mean a lot of these tribes also correspond with different languages and dialects. I remember when I was younger, for the most part I only heard twi from most of my family members. One day I went to one of my aunt's house and she was speaking a language that seemed so foreign to me. The vocalizations... It was like wow, I didn't even know the human vocal chords could do such things.
Hundreds of languages and thousands of dialects within a relatively small region is pretty crazy.
Hundreds of languages and thousands of dialects within a relatively small region is pretty crazy.
Dusk Soldier
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I'm guessing you don't live near the Canadian/US border.
You original comment about the media not depicting Canada as diverse makes sense now. As American media rarely if ever depicts Canada. When they do it's often just a scripted recreation of Canada, and not actual Canada.
If you do live close to the border you can watch both Canadian and American television channels. And you get access to both Canadian/American shows and Canadian/American commercials.
Even just watching commercials you can see Canadian TV is more diverse. Canadian banking commercials constantly use interracial couples in their advertising, and the bank adviser depicted will often be a different race as well. In the American equivalent, often everyone would be white.
lightskintwin
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OK, I'm not sure what you're arguing then, when everything jumped off about SKIN COLOR, due to this post I was indirectly responding too.
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