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What's your first reaction when you see some 'controversy' around a game online, prerelease? (DEI, Gamers™, incels etc)

My first reaction is:

  • Turn off. My interest drops and I am skeptical of the quality of the game.

    Votes: 156 56.5%
  • Indifference. It's just background noise and I will wait until I see preview gameplay.

    Votes: 98 35.5%
  • Turn on. I'm more likely to forgive some issues in the game as I support DEI/Representation.

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Other (post in thread)...

    Votes: 21 7.6%

  • Total voters
    276

STARSBarry

Gold Member
It depends.

As many other gleefully point out, pronouns didn't ruin BG3, its the best RPG in existence.

However then you look at Dragon Age Vielguard or Concord and you realise the games are just not aimed at you, and that's fine.

Just don't expect me not to look into your game and make a decision on not buying it because theres plenty of games that are directly targeting me for attention.

Or il just replay Mass Effect again (I am)
 
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DaciaJC

Gold Member




Anyone know what this is about? What did I miss? Avellone having a go at Obsidian it seems


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/avow...es-more-of-the-same-in-final-product.1677781/
Long thread, the initial gist of it is someone leaked a screenshot from Avowed's character creator showing the inclusion of pronouns. Elon Musk and others called this out as unacceptable, being that the game takes place in a medieval fantasy setting, and the game's art director decided to double down.

Things got really interesting when it was noted that said art director had posted the below
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/avow...-same-in-final-product.1677781/post-269839143

leading some to believe there may be racial discrimination in hiring practices at Obsidian or Microsoft in general.
 

Portugeezer

Member
If the game is good I'll play it regardless. If "the narrative" is too extreme, then maybe the game will have to be of higher quality because there's always something else to play.
 

Saber

Member
Same thing with divergence between good and bad reviews. Act as a flag to be carefull and do more research about whats going on.
Usually DEI and woke means easy pass, as I would rather not have anything to do with those people.
 

Kacho

Gold Member
It’s always been a massive turn off to me and nowadays I’m very vocal about it.

The problem is just about every major AAA studio is doing it like they’re the fucking Borg and people are tired of it so it’s an endless cycle of controversy.
 

Aenima

Member
Instant turn off. If the focus of the devs is in pushing agendas, then the chances of it being a good game are slim as the focus was not really placed in making a good and imersive game. I play games for escapism, not to be lectured by mentally ill ppl.
 
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Depends. Everytime I hear an anti woke/anti Dei on gaming/yt it is becoming racist instead of removing the safe game design from the industry. It’s almost as if gamers have forgotten that gaming has always had multiple ethnic groups, same for comics aka take a look at the comic book makers it’s varied because nerds are nerds.

As gow became dad of war, an opening occurred for a Conan game, or a new badass yet no one is seizing this opportunity. Instead dingbats are complaining about pronouns; keep the pronouns just give me t&a/fun plots /better character designs *And bring back gore.

* by better character designs I mean what ai characters design did to concord characters.

TLDR anti dei/woke is dead because it’s association with racism instead of shit character designs. Trolling the devs with their own characters but fixed would have worked better as it would highlight the problem gamers have.
 
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Guilty_AI

Member
My feelings for the game tend to precede whatever controversy pops out, but 90% of cases it's a "thought so" situation.

I mean, who didn't already know the kind of DEI-ridden slop Avowed would be? You don't need the artistic director coming out and saying the usual dumb shit for us to understand that.
 
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TheCed

Member
I'm tired of this whole Woke VS Anti Work thing.

I really don't want to care about the whole thing... but it's impossible to avoid that kind of conversation.

It's getting to the point where I visit gaming forum less and less...

I just want to talk about the Game part.
 

Drake

Member
As soon as I hear pro-nouns or any woke/DEI shit the game is immediately disqualified as something I will buy and the company has most likely lost my business forever.
 

TintoConCasera

I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
My honest reaction?

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calistan

Member
I'm tired of this whole Woke VS Anti Work thing.

I really don't want to care about the whole thing... but it's impossible to avoid that kind of conversation.

It's getting to the point where I visit gaming forum less and less...

I just want to talk about the Game part.
I agree, I've taken to hiding those threads on Gaf now, otherwise the first page is just megathreads of people ranting about stuff I have no interest in hearing about.
 
I have saved so much money this gen thanks to a wait and see approach.
This is the last stance publishers and devs want their audience to take but they pushed their ideology over business sense and I don’t reward that blindly.

That’s the problem with subscriptions too. This just compounds that issue. People wait to see how woke. People wait to see if it hits a sub. And while they wait the price drops and the game gets better. They disincentivize day 1 purchases.
 

Zelduh

Member
The grown men crying and shitting themselves over the woke boogeyman are far more annoying at this point, so I just roll my eyes and I don't care what obnoxious grifters and snowflakes think about a game, if a game is good I'll play it regardless of what anyone thinks
 
Nothing like radical right thinkers (masquerading as the common man) pretending to be so concerned about radical left thinkers.

Spoiler alert guys, if pronouns or inclusion bothers you, you're not in the middle. A shocking number of gamers these days are just the mirror image of the thing they hate.

Team indifference for me, brothers.
 
My first thoughts are to look at the information being presented and then make my own opinion. Typically when I see a lot of the forced ideological type content it makes me think about the purpose that it is supposed to serve in the game and whether it being there is necessary to deliver on a certain narrative point within the story. If there's a good reason for it to be there then OK fine.

Usually though, it looks like some of this stuff is chucked in to appease certain audiences rather than serve a purpose within the game itself, which is a bit frustrating because it looks like box ticking and to me this comes across as disingenuous, which I'm sure even the target audience would find a bit annoying.

Games like Dragon Age Veilguard are annoying because the writing is bad and it's delivery is so forced. In addition to this, these games have historically been focused on characters dealing with end of the world kind of stuff, rather than pronouns at a dinner table. It's completely unrelatable and doesn't fit in my opinion.

Avowed? I still like the look of the game, but publishers should keep a lid on these morons that are out to just piss people off and cause trouble. When they say they design certain things to annoy people, that's just stupid and puts me off buying the game. Why would I want to pay money for a product that has elements which were specifically designed to generate a negative response? Crazy.
 
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Isa

Member
Complete turnoff. I'm a libertarian in many ways and loathe socialism in all its forms and ultimate manifestations. People trying to hide their head in the sand during this culture war and consume to escape are naive. This is an interjection of ideals that stem from ideologically captured institutions that has been in play for decades and only finally reached our neck of the woods. Antonio Gramsci(sp?) was the guy that said England and America were too well off to support a class war so instead opted for different tactics. Its a lengthy topic and worth delving into because its not some minor inconvenience to aide in the acceptance of marginalized people groups but a planned means of social war by dividing people by as many means as possible.

Among those means is art, merely a propagandistic tool to the Commie. That tactic is meant to interject politics and ideas in such a way that the "consumer" is unable to escape it. Art, fashion, music, film, games, literature etc. It is all a means to the same end. All that matters is the revolution. Hence why I so vehemently oppose it. And for the record I'm not anti-gay, trans(within reason, one should have to at least look the part), nor against traditional cultures. I hate how DEI now BRIDGE has been used by billionaire investment firms(often using stolen money) to go around globally trying to force change in many industries. Social Engineering is wrong and hilariously many of these practices are in and of themselves a type of colonialism or conquest, in the name of liberation of course.

As for games that have recently impacted me, I've not bought any western games this year but even some choice Eastern games have been hit by bad localizations that alter or ruin characters and stories. Granted it has been happening for some time(Nintendo's Treehouse being a prime example). But its funny how they are so focused on one thing, say making that character in Paper Mario TTYD out to be trans instead of say a femboy. In fact there have been a few feminine male characters that've been altered to fit "The Narrative" which is pretty discriminatory. My recent upset would be with Dragon Quest 3make(The OG is my personal fave in the franchise). It looks good but the alteration of my favorite character class in there is just too much. Why should I reward that? If anything I get it on sale and probably on PC where it can be modded out. But there's no rush.

In conclusion this is a serious topic that warrants discussion and stretches across all media. I've switched not saved 20k spacebucks from what would have gone into gaming towards building a collection of old media(films, books and manga) and supported the rest I do like or feel deserve it. The absolute state of the gaming industry, well all industries for that matter is terribly dire. Thankfully there are talented people up and coming as well as independent Journos and community members taking the time to inform us. Those who just consume next product are partially responsible as to why games are releasing as they are. Its like a junkie needing that next fix not realizing its leading to their own demise and won't satiate those desires the way it used to.
 

ItJustWorks

Banned
Are we talking about avowed?

If a game looks good I'm playing it. I like video games. An elder scrolls game by obsidian with good quests? I'm in if that's what it is.

We don't get that often. So to me...if you suddenly boycott a game with those promising qualities, and solid gameplay showings over pronouns. Then in my mind you don't like games THAT much.

You're willing to sacrifice shit over a political ideology, which basically is the same thing resetera does. You aren't any different.

But I'm 34, I remember when we didn't act like this. I also wonder how many 15-24 yr olds are talking about this in this very thread. Impressionable kids that weren't around when we didn't act like this.

Also, many here championed and supported Hogwarts legacy, which had trans, and gay characters in it...so that reveals to me that it isn't about ideology, it's about doing the opposite of what the libs like. Which I'm too old for.
 
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Astral Dog

Member
that these companies are blaming the usual suspects (average gamers)for their own failures or lack of vision, i don't feel pity for them , but now i just laugh and move on without paying much attention since its the same meltdown over and over again thankfully there are plenty of fun games i like
 

Jinxed

Member
This mindset is bad for gaming. If you Boycott say...avowed over that, then you are ignoring the rare things it might do to elevate that elder scrolls like genre.
This mindet is generally good in life. I'll pass over a potential wife candidate if she's into pegging even though she might have other wonderful qualities
 
This mindset is bad for gaming. If you Boycott say...avowed over that, then you are ignoring the rare things it might do to elevate that elder scrolls like genre.
Lmaoo!!! Nice try but anybody could see through you hiding behind the BoTh SIdes mask when you defending it like that. Either secretly support the insane mental nutjob things or you are one of the "AVOID" devs. It's far from a Elder Scroll game just like how some folks thought Outer World was going to be as good as New Vegas but turns out it was far worse and less interesting so the same will most likely apply to Avowed a.k.a Avoid when compared to a actual single player Elder Scroll game.
 

ItJustWorks

Banned
This mindet is generally good in life. I'll pass over a potential wife candidate if she's into pegging even though she might have other wonderful qualities

So you are sacrificing a potentially good game in terms developer pedigree, writing, mechanics etc for a political ideology? How does that make you any different than those on resetera?
 

ItJustWorks

Banned
Lmaoo!!! Nice try but anybody could see through you hiding behind the BoTh SIdes mask when you defending it like that. Either secretly support the insane mental nutjob things or you are one of the "AVOID" devs. It's far from a Elder Scroll game just like how some folks thought Outer World was going to be as good as New Vegas but turns out it was far worse and less interesting so the same will most likely apply to Avowed a.k.a Avoid when compared to a actual single player Elder Scroll game.
Not really, I don't use pronouns. It just doesn't bother me enough to not play a good game over that. If avowed is actually bad I won't play it, if it's good, and looks good, then I will. It's that simple.

You aren't any different from a resetera member if you are boycotting a game over a political stance.
 

Jinxed

Member
So you are sacrificing a potentially good game in terms developer pedigree, writing, mechanics etc for a political ideology? How does that make you any different than those on resetera?
If a product contains something I dont agree with, I pass, it's as simple as that. As for your other point it's pretty obvious, I wont be going on a crusade to have the game cancelled, wont try to ban all discussion about, wont go harass streamers playing it etc.. Do you need any more examples of these purple haired freaks that us normal people dont do?
 

Kataploom

Gold Member
Some things just take me out of the game and don't let me play, whether they're political issues of any other kind, for example, the surgery scars in DA Veilguard is cringe af, why don't make it as they magically become the other sex since literally that's what actual trans people would like? It would make sense in the universe.

It's more how they do it than they doing it in most cases, look at how Japanese have been doing it for decades and nobody complaint, they have literal literature genres based on all kinds of alternative and not normative sexual identities and nobody ever gave a shit because they know how to do, wokes are complaining about Japanese people this and that but even they know how to do "woke" well.

Other issues I have with games are translations, I'm literally trying to learn Japanese at bilingual level to avoid stupid translations butchering in Japanese games, even in DQ11 which I'm playing right now they did a very poor and absolutely unjustified butchering, when I know a game comes with those issues I'll skip them, like I have thousands other stuff pending to play.
 
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