The ability to fight...which he's been the very best by a mile.
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When Ben Affleck stops being Batman - How would you like to see it being handled?
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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The ability to fight...which he's been the very best by a mile.
No thanks.
What did he mean by this?
Member
Kill him. Get Dick
QuantumZebra
Member
Seriously I cannot fathom how someone could think that. It's like flat earther levels of detached from reality.
BvS Batman was legit worse than Batnipples Clooney. Kilmer was better, even.
EHHHHhhhhh that's all Bale IMO. The Krav Maga/Urban CQC was perfect.
Except Wonder Woman.
Thank godddddd that film was a prequel.
Username1198
Member
I wanna see detective batman, with a mystery and all that. Keep it simple and mysterious.
Oh And grizzled veteran too
Oh And grizzled veteran too
Lord Fagan
Junior Member
Might be interesting if they found a way to integrate and replace Bruce with Flashpoint's Thomas Wayne...
moltonasty
Member
100 % agree, say what you want about the movies but he's perfect in this role. Really hoping he's in the Reeves film at least, after that then whatever..Flashpoint will likely result in a new actor and I'm fine with that. But I don't see what the big rush is.
No...Bale was shit as a fighter that supposed to be Batman. But...this isn't the thread to talk about that.
broncobuster
Banned
The one semi-credible rumor is that the studio has reservations about Affleck leading a franchise based on his personal struggles. For his part, Affleck is willing to continue playing the character. It's down to if he can get his act together to where WB doesn't see him as a risk to bank on.
No recast. Move that right out of the way. Every time I see Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle in the Marvel films, I just think of how they damaged their movies. Especially with Don Cheadle. Really don't want DC/WB to damage their movies in the same way.
I don't want to see Batman/Bruce Wayne in these movies standing next to Gal Gadot or Henry Cavill and we have to play pretend that the person there is the same one who we first saw in BvS.
So you know the 2nd or third options. Batman becomes too much for Bruce Wayne or he dies and so someone else possibly from the Batfamily steps up to wear the cowl other than Bruce Wayne.
Not all of it. It had modern day scenes with things that Bruce Wayne had sent her after they met in BvS.
Well....okay, before I get too deep into this rabbit hole, one thing should be established.
There is no such thing as a definitive version of a major comic book character. There is your personal favorite interpretation, but comic book characters, by nature, are constantly changing as time goes on.
So when someone says that their Batman is Batfleck....sure, I guess, if you want.
Still, I can't help but question that. Because the Batman of BvS was a hypocritical, myopic, two bit thug who just wants to murder a guy for existing without his permission. His motivations established early in the movie about superman being a danger were revealed to be a lie and he was out to murder superman out of his personal insecurity. I think a lot of ire for the character comes from how pathetic and small he is internally, and even fans of BvS admit that the point of his "character arc" is him realizing how much of a complete sack of shit he was at the end.
Maybe they just mean superficial shit like the look of Batfleck, both the actor and the costume or his CGI fight was better than Nolan's crappy choreography. Hell, I certainly think Ben Afleck could have done great things with a good script and director. Or, hey, maybe they genuinely like seeing Batman as a dumb thug, ironically or otherwise.
Idk. Like I said, there is no definitive Batman and it's all open to subjective preference. Still, having that preference is has to atleast prompt a "but why tho"
Two actors (Norton and Howard) who played a role one time have left a more lasting impression than the two (Cheadle and Ruffalo) who've done it more and also as the universe has blossomed?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Just recast. We've had like 5 other guys be Batman in less than 30 years. Doing some weird time hop to the 90s would be taking the same route as the X-Men franchise, which is a no-no. And I have zero interest in watching a disciple that hasn't even been established take the mantle.
Yep.
the_firewithin
Member
They've done nothing but over think trying to copy marvel and have failed at everything besides WW
BrassDragon
Member
DCEU is just giving me headaches with all the explanations, origins, reboot, timelines and background.
Stop tying yourselves in knots over cinematic universes... just cast a competent actor and make a damn Batman movie that stands on its own merits.
Stop tying yourselves in knots over cinematic universes... just cast a competent actor and make a damn Batman movie that stands on its own merits.
Inferno313
Banned
Those of you suggesting Dickbats, how would they possibly do that? Dick hasn't even been established to exist yet in the DCEU, and general audiences aren't super familiar with the character beyond knowing Robin as Batman's sidekick. It wouldn't work.
Just recast him.
Just recast him.
TheSecondSpitter
Member
CGI Adam West.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
This would be smart. I really wish it would happen. I don't think it will.
Tell me more.
Supervlieg
Member
Stop making superhero movies.
Rumblebones
Banned
They should just recast the role and not acknowledge it and thereby normalise the process of recasting roles in on going continuity without making a big deal of it or using gimmicks.
In fact, they could set this change up with flashbacks using a different actor or two to represent Batman in various stages of his life.
That all being said, I don't really care anymore. The DCEU is so far off the rails, I kind of just want to witness the crash and burn for the hell of it.
In fact, they could set this change up with flashbacks using a different actor or two to represent Batman in various stages of his life.
That all being said, I don't really care anymore. The DCEU is so far off the rails, I kind of just want to witness the crash and burn for the hell of it.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Chris Pine becomes Batman.
LastGamer84
Member
He was Batman? All I saw was Ben Affleck in a costume speaking with a gravely voice arguing with Henry Cavil imitating Nicolas Cage dressing up as Superman for Halloween.
And while we're on the subject, what's this 'Rises' everyone keeps talking about? They stopped making live action Batman after The Dark Knight...right?
And while we're on the subject, what's this 'Rises' everyone keeps talking about? They stopped making live action Batman after The Dark Knight...right?
RandomSeed
Member
Future Batman. SciFi Batman. Change it up, and start fresh.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i seem to remember a time when people actually liked affleck's batman. i am glad things have changed.
PhantomZone
Member
Drive a few trucks filled with $$$$ for Christian Bale to return!
old manatee
Banned
His Batman run has been such a non-event so far I don't think it matters if they just recast without any fanfare.
Chained Prometheus
Member
I've got the perfect guy in mind...
>5'7"
Issac is the man but nahhhhh
Joe Mango is the only actor in his 40s that could fill the suit like Affleck. I can't think of anyone else
Alex Skarsgaard is ripped, but his frame doesn't strike me as bulky
Chained Prometheus
Member
And Michael Keaton was 5'9''. Your point?
Cameras can do plenty to make Isaac look bigger and more intimidating if needed. What matters is that his acting chops are off the wall and he'd absolutely be able to nail the role. Regardless of his height.
That Save the Day PSA he did convinced me he should be the Joker.
30yearsofhurt
Member
He should be killed by a new villainess called Martha.
The point is Affleck set the physical standard. You can't go from him to someone smaller, unless they go the prequel route, of course. As someone who's also 5'7", a Bruce Wayne below 6' would look silly.
Much respect to Keaton, but the last words I'd use to describe his Batman are physically intimidating.
Funny enough, I think Cavill would be an interesting Batman
Maybe...Kitsch?
Chained Prometheus
Member
I disagree. If Marvel was able to go from Edward Norton to Mark Ruffalo (two men with rather different builds and appearances) as their Hulk, I think Warner Bros can absolutely go from Ben Affleck to Oscar Isaac as their Batman.
Eh, I dunno. Keaton always felt like he was the most intimidating of the different Batman actors to me in the role. Even after Affleck and his bulking behemoth of a Batman came along.
Size isn't everything. I can absolutely buy Isaac playing a version of Batman that scares criminals shitless just as effectively, if not moreso, than Affleck's. It'd be different sure, but I think it'd be a bad idea to try and get anyone to straight up mimic Affleck's take on the role anyway.
The point is Affleck set the physical standard. You can't go from him to someone smaller, unless they go the prequel route, of course. As someone who's also 5'7", a Bruce Wayne below 6' would look silly.
Much respect to Keaton, but the last words I'd use to describe his Batman are physically intimidating.
Funny enough, I think Cavill would be an interesting Batman
Maybe...Kitsch?
As a short guy, you should know that short people can beat motherfuckers up too. You don't need to be tall to kick some ass.
First off, there's no rule that says that the next Batman must be bigger than the previous one. Why do you even think that? And what's the logical end to that reasoning? Will the tenth batman after Affleck need to be 8 feet tall if each has to be over the other?
Second, as someone mentioned, as long as they aren't midgets, camera's can be used to make someone look larger than they are, so real life height isn't even an important factor.
Third, I'm kind of baffled by how attached people are to the superficial aspects of Batman. Like, the dude playing him has to be in shape, obviously, but I don't need much more than that. It's cool that Affleck seemingly has the muscle mass of a silverback gorilla, but I don't really care about that in Batman. Batman needs to be scary to criminals, and he can do that through his actions. Bruce Lee wasn't a huge guy, 5'7'' with a very lean frame, but he knew actual martial arts and how to actually do serious damage to people. That's the scary bit, doing actual damage. And that's what Batman needs to be capable of, what he uses to inflict fear. Huge Gains are optional.
Well, I'd said Banner is a difference case altogether. TIH was the closest thing to a "bomb" released by in the MCU, so recasting the character wasn't a problem, because no one really cared.
I don't think the public will really mind a new Batman either, but I do think hiring Joe Mango and handling him Affleck's wig would be an easier transition than going for a completely new look and take.
Yeah, Keaton was definitely intimidating in a "this guy is actually fucking crazy" way. Oscar would have no issues pulling off a similar take.
Maybe it's just me. I liked having a giant tank Batman, and I think anyone with a smaller physique would be a visual downgrade
You're right, but Batman has always been a taller man. Keaton is really the only exception.
It's not about being bigger than Affleck, but hiring someone who could pull off a similar build.
And I'd disagree with gains being optional. It's 2017, dudes like Hemsworth, Jackman, and Evans set the standard for super hero actors. Hell, look how huge Josh Brolin is for Deadpool.