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When local food isn't really local aka your restaurant is lying.

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NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Great read from the Tampa Bay times about deception at restaurants claiming to be farm-to-table. Really in-depth, but maybe no all that surprising if you're into food.

It’s not just Boca. At Pelagia Trattoria at International Plaza, the “Florida blue crab” comes from the Indian Ocean.

Mermaid Tavern in Seminole Heights shouts “Death to Pretenders” on its menu, but pretends cheese curds are homemade and shrimp are from Florida.

At Maritana Grille at the Loews Don CeSar, chefs claim to get pork from a farmer who doesn’t sell to them.

This is a story we are all being fed. A story about overalls, rich soil and John Deere tractors scattering broods of busy chickens. A story about healthy animals living happy lives, heirloom tomatoes hanging heavy and earnest artisans rolling wheels of cheese into aging caves nearby.

More often than not, those things are fairy tales. A long list of Tampa Bay restaurants are willing to capitalize on our hunger for the story.

IF YOU EAT FOOD, you are being lied to every day.

The food supply chain is so vast and so complicated. It has yielded extra-virgin olive oil that is actually colored sunflower oil, Parmesan cheese bulked up with wood pulp, and a horsemeat scandal that, for a while, rendered Ikea outings Swedish meatball-free.

Everywhere you look, you see the claims: “sustainable,” “naturally raised,” “organic,” “non-GMO,” “fair trade,” “responsibly grown.” Restaurants have reached new levels of hyperbole.

What makes buying food different from other forms of commerce is this: It’s a trust-based system. How do you know the Dover sole on your plate is Dover sole? Only that the restaurateur said so.

And how can you be sure the strawberries your toddler is gobbling are free of pesticides? Only because the vendor at the farmers market said so.

Your purchases are unverifiable unless you drive to that farm or track back through a restaurant’s distributors and ask for invoices.

I did.

For several months, I sifted through menus from every restaurant I’ve reviewed since the farm-to-table trend started. Of 239 restaurants still in business, 54 were making claims about the provenance of their ingredients.

For fish claims that seemed suspicious, I kept zip-top baggies in my purse and tucked away samples. The Times had them DNA tested by scientists at the University of South Florida. I called producers and vendors. I visited farms.

My conclusion? Just about everyone tells tales. Sometimes they are whoppers, sometimes they are fibs borne of negligence or ignorance, and sometimes they are nearly harmless omissions or “greenwashing.”

http://www.tampabay.com/projects/2016/food/farm-to-fable/restaurants/

If you're into food, this is a good read.

Call me a fraud and lock if old.
 

entremet

Member
While I think the locavore movement has good intentions--supporting local economies and reducing greenhouse gases, it's pretty unrealistic especially for food enthusiasts.

I can't say no to lemons, parmesan cheese, mangos, bananas and a whole host of other foods.
 

norm9

Member
Lying about farm to table is pretty bad but I'm not too bothered by it. I dislike restaurants that cook their "quality" food in boil bags more.
 

FStop7

Banned
Menubragging is pretty suspect and a lot of people just accept it at face value because it's printed on a piece of paper.
 
Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.
 
In the "Parmesan with wood pulp" thread we had people saying that consumers deserved to be lied to for buying affordable (but lower quality) product.

Is lying to the wealthier alright as well? Stay tuned to find out.
 

pj

Banned
I saw a lot of asian language characters on the boxes of shrimp and fish deliveries going into restaurants when I was in new orleans
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.


That's not even what's happening here. This is places saying they are using one product but actually using another.

The case of the placing selling veal, when they don't even stock veal.

I don't even care honestly where something is from, as long as you don't represent it something other than it is. Don't say it's local but it's from another country, don't say it's veal when it's pork.
 

pj

Banned
Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.

thanks for the trivia but that's not what this thread is about at all
 

HvySky

Member
I used to work at a local restaurant that proudly claims that everything on their menu is either made fresh in-house or brought in farm/ocean fresh, when in reality 99% of the menu comes pre-prepared or out of a Sysco box/bag. In fact, just about every corner that could be cut was, and it's a shame because other local restaurants that actually do get their ingredients fresh and make everything in-house don't get nearly as much publicity or business.
 
Servers are likely to start proceedings with a mini-disquisition on how all the food comes from within a couple hundred miles of the restaurant (mileage may vary).

“Everybody’s spiel is a little different,” said chef-owner Ted Dorsey. “But I say a 250-mile radius.”

Dorsey said he buys pork from a small Tallahassee farm through food supplier Master Purveyors. But Master Purveyors said it doesn’t sell pork from Tallahassee. Dorsey said he uses quail from Magnolia Farms in Lake City. Master Purveyors said the quail is from Wyoming. Dorsey said he buys dairy from Dakin Dairy Farms in Myakka through Weyand Food Distributors. Weyand said it doesn’t distribute Dakin. Dorsey said he gets local produce from Suncoast Food Alliance and Local Roots. Both said they have not sold to The Mill. He named three seafood suppliers. Two checked out, but a third, Whitney and Sons, said they had not sold to The Mill yet. They hope to in the future.

I called him on all this. He said he needed to speak with his chef, Zach West, and get back to us. The results didn’t get any closer: farmed trout from Idaho, beef from Colorado, yellowfin tuna off the northern East Coast.

“Local Florida proteins are not quality,” Dorsey explained. But what about the mileage claims?

“Well, we serve local within reason.”

WELP.
 

daviyoung

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Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.

you really have missed the point spectacularly here

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Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.

When did I click into a Buzzfeed article?
 
Culinary student here.

"Local food" is usually a marketing gimmick. The legal distance and definition for food to be considered "local food", meaning from point of origin to point of sale/plate, is something like 400 miles. Would anyone consider food from 400 miles away to be local? No not really.

I believe the legal definition was previously a shorter distance as well but it was next to impossible to source food during non growing seasons so they increased the distance to 400.

And when you're in New England in the middle of January what the fuck are you eating day to day that's locally sourced during the winter months aside from fish and some meat products? If you're eating fruit weekly rarely any of it is local.
 

Buzzati

Banned
Culinary student here.

"Local food" is usually a marketing gimmick. The legal distance and definition for food to be considered "local food", meaning from point of origin to point of sale/plate, is something like 400 miles. Would anyone consider food from 400 miles away to be local? No not really.

I believe the legal definition was previously a shorter distance as well but it was next to impossible to source food during non growing seasons so they increased the distance to 400.

And when you're in New England in the middle of January what the fuck are you eating day to day that's locally sourced during the winter months aside from fish and some meat products? If you're eating fruit weekly rarely any of it is local.

Louis Pasteur never enjoyed a baguette, "little breads" were invented by Guatemalans in the 14th century.
 

vityaz

Member
People need to stop with the "local food is always better". Many times more resources are spent on growing food locally, than if it was done in a better suited climate/soil/etc and transported to you.
 
They get around it by saying things like "prepared locally". See, it's been prepared right there, locally. They're technically not lying.

Also: "Farm to Plate" or "Farm to Table". Anyone can say it. It started at a farm, and it ended up in front of you. Most produce does.

Bonus: "Hand Made" - who's hands made it? Very likely it was made off site by underpaid hands in a semi industrial food kitchen, flash frozen, and packaged in boxes of 200.

In a past life I worked in food marketing. It was kind of gross the way things were spun to make it sound better than it was.
 

studyguy

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Work in logistics for Ag out here in CA.
LA "Local Grown" likely just means they went to the produce market in LA which is international as fuck. Local grown in SF likely means they did the same for the harbors out there.

There's a lot of actual local grown products out here, but I mean. It is what it is. Plus most of my clients ship 90% of their stuff out of state.

If you want actual local grown shit, sign up for a CSA or something that specifically grows their own stuff.
 
Consumers don't give a fuck lol

INSIDE EDITION CORRESPONDENT Lisa Guerrero wore a fitted black blazer and stilettos when she busted with her camera crew into Get Hooked, a casual seafood restaurant in Hudson that on occasion hosts micro-championship little people wrestling.

Taking co-owner John Hill by surprise, she confronted him about his “Delicious Lobster Sensation,” part of a Feb. 8 segment about the frequent fraudulence of lobster dishes.

Although the restaurant has its own fishing boats, and Hill likes to say, “Our refrigerator is the Gulf of Mexico,” its lobster roll-like sandwich is made with a commercial product that contains cheaper fish such as whiting and pollock.

After the show aired, I followed up to see how the revelation had affected the restaurant.

“We’re selling more lobster rolls now than ever, and we’re serving the same product,” co-owner Michelle Bittaker said. “What the show forgot to tell you is that the sandwich is $9.95, with french fries and coleslaw. Nobody in America could serve a real Maine lobster roll for $9.95.”
 

Kuro Madoushi

Unconfirmed Member
This isn't anything new and the author is right.

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Ok first, Dim Sum wasn't invented in Sydney...

But back to the article, I recall reading something similar in Toronto. A restaurant kept making claims about where stuff was sourced and a former employee spilled the beans and the restaurant got fined. And they still kept doing it afterwards and still got fined
 
I leave to have breakfast and come back to find out that I misunderstood the OP. Boy, is my face red.

Locavorism is surprisingly bad for the environment, but false advertising is wrong. People pay extra for that stuff.
 

Dynamite Shikoku

Congratulations, you really deserve it!
I remember when a bunch of Japanese companies got caught just relabelling Chinese food as 'grown/made in Japan'. I bet half the stuff we eat is like that
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
They get around it by saying things like "prepared locally". See, it's been prepared right there, locally. They're technically not lying.

Also: "Farm to Plate" or "Farm to Table". Anyone can say it. It started at a farm, and it ended up in front of you. Most produce does.

Bonus: "Hand Made" - who's hands made it? Very likely it was made off site by underpaid hands in a semi industrial food kitchen, flash frozen, and packaged in boxes of 200.

In a past life I worked in food marketing. It was kind of gross the way things were spun to make it sound better than it was.

Did you read the article, some of it is what you're saying, but other is straight up lies.

Naming vendors they don't use, naming ingredients they don't use, etc.
 

Zoolader

Member
Really, the Mermaid Tavern? That place is practically a dive bar. But yeah no shit most restaurants have a few lies in their menus.
 

NervousXtian

Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Hah! I read somewhere a lot of the kimchi in Korea is actually from China too since they can't make enough of it in Korea.

That's strange because kimchi isn't exactly hard to make, nor require any weird ingredients.. then again.. China is probably cheaper to buy it from.
 
Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.

Wait, who believes any of this stuff?
 

nampad

Member
Julius Caesar never tasted Pizza or Spaghetti Bolognese. Tomatoes come from Mexico and pasta came from China.

Alfred the Great never sat down to enjoy a cup of tea. Tea is native to China.

Ashoka the Great never partook of a hot curry. Chillies are from Mexico.

No native Hawaiian ever even saw a pineapple,let alone put one on pizza before European traders brought them over in their boats. Pineapples are originally from South America.

New Zealand had no Kiwi fruit prior to European settlement. Kiwi fruit is from China.

Lao Tze never enjoyed a dim sum or a fortune cookie. The first was invented in Sydney and the latter in San Francisco.

Very little food investment in the last thousand years is actually local.

Dim sum was invented in Sydney?! I am pretty sure there were dishes like this in the cantonese cuisine before.
 

Machine

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The article reminds me of the stories I heard from a co-worker who worked part-time in a popular local coffee house. According to her, most of the "fair trade" coffee was NOT fair trade, the "fresh squeezed" orange juice came from a Tropicana bottle, and the "fresh" desserts and pastries often sat in the freezer for weeks or months before being thawed and sold.
 
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