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Eh, you don't need a strong cast of big name's for a movie which is a fantasy/comic book type thing. The movie just has to be good.

George Clooney, Arnold Schwarzenneger, Alicia Silverstone, Uma Thurman, and Chris O' Donnell couldn't save Batman & Robin.

Tobey Maguire wasn't exactly A-list Hollywood either before Spider-Man.

 

[Lara]

You don't think Elijah Wood, Christopher Lee, Ian Holm, Cate Blanchett, Ian McKellan are big time actors, then you're not much of a movie fan. Our point wasn't that this list is BIG TIME HOLLYWOOD... only that LOTR has a overall bigger or at the least comparable cast, name-wise, than Begins.

Jesus H.

Don't put words into my mouth. Don't misinterpret what I say. Perhaps read my post to ManaByte, too.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

don't forget the fact that LOTR is very much an ensemble movie. Batman is driven by Christian Bale and **duh**Batman. Everyone else is secondary.

 

[Particle Physicist]

And the shiny Hollywood cast makes me even more worried.

Hollywood cast?? :lol

 

[levious]

Jesus H.

Don't put words into my mouth. Don't misinterpret what I say. Perhaps read my post to ManaByte, too.

You came in here wondering why everyone was hyped... we said the script rocked in our opinion, there's a link to it now, if you're really interested.

I don't understand why you took exception to my comments, you said they weren't big name, I said that I thought they were, what with all the awards and Sir's among them, what's the big deal?

 

[Willco]

ONLY ONE THING CAN STOP THIS BICKERING.

... Jousting!

... or we could argue some more. Who cares. Batman Begins > Lord of the Rings. THERE. I SAID IT.

 

[hXc_thugg]

ONLY ONE THING CAN STOP THIS BICKERING.

... Jousting!

... or we could argue some more. Who cares. Batman Begins > Lord of the Rings. THERE. I SAID IT.

You've taken it too far!

 

[ManaByte]

Why I am having deja vu about that King Kong thread where another Jr. member attacked THAT movie for its cast?

 

[Dan]

In my estimation, only a minority of members on your list would have been immediately recognisable to a mainstream audience prior to The Lord of the Rings films.

To pretend that Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, John Rhys-Davies and Bernard Hill were 'big names' (in the sense that I have described above) before being cast in The Lord of the Rings is risible.

Yes, let me just tackle the first person on that list. You think mainstream audiences didn't know the kid that starred in The Adventures of Huck Finn, Flipper, Forever Young, The Good Son, Deep Impact, The Faculty and big TV movies like Oliver Twist? Please. Everyone knew exactly who Wood was when he was announced as starring in LOTR.

If the Batman Begins cast is a "shiny Hollywood cast" what the hell would you call the cast of Ocean's 12? I'd be real curious.

 

[Willco]

You've taken it too far!

... OR NOT FAR ENOUGH?

Why I am having deja vu about that King Kong thread where another Jr. member attacked THAT movie for its cast?

Slap them with your IGN credentials, Conrad! Show 'em who's boss!

Yeah, this new generation of posters seem kind of arrogant and stupid. I say we scrap this new order, wait out a few months, open the floodgates and hope we can catch some fresh blood that doesn't mingle opinions with ignorance.

... Elijah Wood, Sean Astin, John Rhys-Davies

All three are more well known than Christian Bale. Check and mate.

 

[ManaByte]

... OR NOT FAR ENOUGH?

The line must be drawn HERE. This far, NO FURTHER!

 

[Willco]

You asked for it.

BATMAN BEGINS > STAR WARS (old skool shit, none of this prequel crap!)

 

[Mike Works]

I'M WITH WILL, BATMAN BEGINS > SPIDER-MAN 1 AND 2

 

[hXc_thugg]

You asked for it.

BATMAN BEGINS > STAR WARS (old skool shit, none of this prequel crap!)

Obviously! We already know LotR > Star Wars, so we could of easily assumed Batman Begins > Star Wars.

 

[Willco]

I'M WITH WILL, BATMAN BEGINS > SPIDER-MAN 1 AND 2

You see, we were being funny and you are being mean.

 

[Lara]

Hollywood cast?? :lol

The fact that you're the only one laughing should tell you something.


Christian Bale .... Bruce Wayne/Batman
Michael Caine .... Alfred Pennyworth
Liam Neeson .... Ducard
Morgan Freeman .... Lucius Fox
Gary Oldman .... Lt. James Gordon
Ken Watanabe .... Ra's Al Ghul
Katie Holmes .... Rachel Dawes


To the best of my knowledge, all the above actors have worked in Hollywood, i.e., made Hollywood films.

You came in here wondering why everyone was hyped... we said the script rocked in our opinion, there's a link to it now, if you're really interested.

I don't understand why you took exception to my comments, you said they weren't big name, I said that I thought they were, what with all the awards and Sir's among them, what's the big deal?

Wow. That's pretty feeble.

Just forget it, ok? You're correct - it is no big deal. That's what I have been saying. I didn't intend to turn this thread into some forensic comparison between The Lord of the Rings and Batman Begins.

Yes, let me just tackle the first person on that list. You think mainstream audiences didn't know the kid that starred in The Adventures of Huck Finn, Flipper, Forever Young, The Good Son, Deep Impact, The Faculty and big TV movies like Oliver Twist? Please. Everyone knew exactly who Wood was when he was announced as starring in LOTR.

If the Batman Begins cast is a "shiny Hollywood cast" what the hell would you call the cast of Ocean's 12? I'd be real curious.

It's not a question of 'knowing' who Wood was. It's a matter of Wood being a 'big name' prior to The Lord of the Rings. He wasn't. (And if he was, then what is he now?)

Sean Bean plays bad guys in countless films, and I'm sure that mainstream audiences are familiar with who he is. Is he a 'big name'?

Shall I tell you my problem with someone who reaches critical thespian mass and becomes a 'big name'? They bring their roles with them into every film that they make. It intrudes on the story and the characters. The purity of the art is degraded. This is especially true in the case of poor actors such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, but even good actors like Dustin Hoffman suffer from it (at least to my mind).

Now, I'd be happy to debate this. I wanted to debate this. I think it's a controversial point. Instead, this thread has degenerated into a retarded comparison between Batman Begins and The Lord of the Rings, led by ManaByte, Levious and Willco.

All three are more well known than Christian Bale. Check and mate.

Wow, it's as if the last 2 pages haven't happened.

If you need help understanding why this statement of yours is impossibly stupid, let me know.

 

[Willco]

If you need help understanding why this statement of yours is impossibly stupid, let me know.

... Sure, explain away.

Sorry for ignoring you and all, but you are a Junior Member and rather stupid to boot, so actually, I did not read the last two pages.

I'm still waiting for my damn trailer, actually. Where the hell is it?

 

[levious]

It's not a question of 'knowing' who Wood was. It's a matter of Wood being a 'big name' prior to The Lord of the Rings. He wasn't. (And if he was, then what is he now?)

biger

Now, I'd be happy to debate this. I wanted to debate this. I think it's a controversial point. Instead, this thread has degenerated into a retarded comparison between Batman Begins and The Lord of the Rings, led by ManaByte, Levious and Willco.

yes, let's ban whoever was stupid enough to bring up LOTR in the first place

 

[Lara]

... Sure, explain away.

Sorry for ignoring you and all, but you are a Junior Member and rather stupid to boot, so actually, I did not read the last two pages.

I'm still waiting for my damn trailer, actually. Where the hell is it?

:lol

Be content to wallow in your own ignorance. Your choice.

 

[Boogie]

yes, let's ban whoever was stupid enough to bring up LOTR in the first place

:lol

 

[Lara]

biger

That's just something we have to disagree on.

yes, let's ban whoever was stupid enough to bring up LOTR in the first place

Yes. Let's tear down that bridge because we were stupid enough to drive off it.

 

[Boogie]

See, now at first I thought Lara had gotten off to a good start, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that she comes into most threads with an arrogant and confrontational attitude. I'm inclined to agree with Willco's plan of mass Junior Member Smackdown.

Of course, Willco needs a little bit of smackdown himself for his increasing movie geek sacrilege ;P

 

[Particle Physicist]

The fact that you're the only one laughing should tell you something.

did you somehow miss all the people that argued against you?

Christian Bale .... Bruce Wayne/Batman
Michael Caine .... Alfred Pennyworth
Liam Neeson .... Ducard
Morgan Freeman .... Lucius Fox
Gary Oldman .... Lt. James Gordon
Ken Watanabe .... Ra's Al Ghul
Katie Holmes .... Rachel Dawes


To the best of my knowledge, all the above actors have worked in Hollywood, i.e., made Hollywood films.

most great actors have worked in hollywood at one point or another. shiny hollywood cast = actors of Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie, Colin Farrell caliber.

btw. most of the actors you listed have done more independent or foreign films than hollywood films.


so after your post.. what do you think of the LOTR cast now?

im starting to think you are a joke character.

 

[Willco]

See, now at first I thought Lara had gotten off to a good start, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that she comes into most threads with an arrogant and confrontational attitude. I'm inclined to agree with Willco's plan of mass Junior Member Smackdown.

Of course, Willco needs a little bit of smackdown himself for his increasing movie geek sacrilege ;P

Alright, I may have gotten a little overboard with the who is greater than what, but can we all admit that there needs to be a massive Junior Member liquidation?

ALL JUNIOR MEMBERS MUST GO HALF OFF SALE BLOWOUT SPECIAL!

Maybe IGN will take them!

 

[Dan]

Frankly, I don't think Lara has a point. What past characters of these actors are so engraved in the minds of mainstream audiences that they'll interfere with their Batman Begins roles? I really don't see any.

And beyond that, Lara's argument is so exaggerated and black and white that I have to wonder if Lara considers ANY movie with a cast that has operated in Hollywood to be effective in their roles. Lara's either someone who actively attempts to disengage from films or someone who severely underestimates the knowledge and memory that most filmgoers have about the industry.

 

[Azih]

Bah, Let's take this to the EXTREME

Batman Begins > Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind, Psycho (not remake).


Batman Begins > Godfather 1, 2, Scarface.


Hell

Batman Begins > THE GOONIES!

 

[Willco]

Lara = Male. So don't refer to "it" as "her".

If this Junior Member is indeed a female, I vote that we chastize her before the forum discovers the possibility of another one of these gender anomalies and chase her out before she can do anymore damage.

If it's a guy, we go with Plan B. Liquidation!

 

[Boogie]

Bah, Let's take this to the EXTREME

Batman Begins > Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Gone with the Wind, Psycho (not remake).


Batman Begins > Godfather 1, 2, Scarface.


Hell

Batman Begins > THE GOONIES!

Batmans Begins > The Princess Bride?

 

[Willco]

OH NO. THIS IS GOING 2 TEH XTREME NOW.

BATMAN BEGINS > TERMINATOR 2

 

[levious]

Batman Begins > THE GOONIES!

ha, talk about a saturated hollywood ensemble cast... Sean Astin, BOTH Coreys AND Joe Pantoliano in a minor supporting role? How am I supposed to suspend belief and separate these stars from their characters?

 

[ManaByte]

ha, talk about a saturated hollywood ensemble cast... Sean Astin, BOTH Coreys AND Joe Pantoliano in a minor supporting role? How am I supposed to suspend belief and separate these stars from their characters?

Goonies had both Coreys? I thought it only had one.

 

[ConfusingJazz]

Goonies had both Coreys? I thought it only had one.

You are correct sir.

Goonies only had Corey Feldman. The only two movies that I know had both Coreys was License to Drive and Lost Boys, both quality films.

 

[levious]

oh, my bad.. yeah, only one

Liscense to Drive, Lost Boys, and Dream a Little Dream (holy crap, and apparently there was a part 2!)

 

[Ristamar]

You are correct sir.

Goonies only had Corey Feldman. The only two movies that I know had both Coreys was License to Drive and Lost Boys, both quality films.

Dream A Little Dream and Blown Away are two others I can think of off hand...

 

[EekTheKat]

I think it's hard to ask for a better cast for a Batman movie than the one they got.

You know, they could've done a *lot* worse than this cast. I mean just look at the names they threw around as to who would be Batman before Bale got the part.

I think a lot of these actors are not the fans number 1 (Though Bale is easily top 5 on the actors to play Batman) choice to be so and so, but really it's damn hard to find a complaint about the caliber of actors they've managed to round up for this movie.

At the end of the day, WB Marketing is happy because they got the big names needed to push this film bigtime when it opens - and the fans are generally very satisfied with the actors they got.

 

[Lara]

See, now at first I thought Lara had gotten off to a good start, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that she comes into most threads with an arrogant and confrontational attitude. I'm inclined to agree with Willco's plan of mass Junior Member Smackdown.

Of course, Willco needs a little bit of smackdown himself for his increasing movie geek sacrilege ;P

Is Willco a mod? And is this post an example of 'sucking up to a mod'? Let me know if it is, because I can't be sure. :lol

Truthfully, if we all agreed with each other, then discussions would be far less entertaining. As it is, I had a perfectly legitimate point to make. It's a shame that we were never able to discuss it.

did you somehow miss all the people that argued against you?

The notion that Batman Begins contains a Hollywood cast (Morgan Freeman, Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes) is not contentious. What was contended was whether the celebrity of the cast of Batman Begins was greater than that of the cast of The Lord of the Rings.

Try and keep up.

most great actors have worked in hollywood at one point or another. shiny hollywood cast = actors of Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie, Colin Farrell caliber.

That's your definition, not mine.

btw. most of the actors you listed have done more independent or foreign films than hollywood films.

So? Does this exclude someone from being (for example) Hollywood cast?

According to this definition, Naomi Watts could not be described as 'Hollywood cast'. Correct?

so after your post.. what do you think of the LOTR cast now?

im starting to think you are a joke character.

Can you ask a more precise question next time? I'm guessing that you're trying to ask me whether I believe that The Lord of the Rings contains a Hollywood cast. Yes, it does. And yet it also contains a number of actors in key roles who do not carry prior baggage.

How many of us would balk at Tom Cruise in the role of Aragorn? Why? Is it because you doubt his acting ability? Or is it something else?

That's my point.

Frankly, I don't think she has a point. What past characters of these actors are so engraved in the minds of mainstream audiences that they'll interfere with their Batman Begins roles? I really don't see any.

And beyond that, her argument is so exaggerated and black and white that I have to wonder if she considers ANY movie with a cast that has operated in Hollywood to be effective in their roles. You're either someone who actively attempts to disengage from films or you severely underestimate the knowledge and memory that most filmgoers have about the industry.

You're painting an exceptionally simplistic picture, either through disingenuousness or misunderstanding.

Let me propose the alternative extreme: that no past work that an actor has done 'interferes with'/influences/shapes their present work; and that, even if it does, it is never noticeable. That's what you (and Levious) are trying to make us believe. I think that's wrong.

Sure, I'm not suggesting that actors should only work in one film. But why pick Michael Caine as Alfred?

 

[Dan]

Would you just provide a fucking example already?

I never said past roles NEVER influence audience perception, but come-the-fuck-on! Are you seriously implying that mainstream audiences are even familiar with Bale's work, let alone that they're affect their view of his Bruce Wayne? Will Batman fans not be able to get Katie Holmes's Dawson's Creek character out of mind? Seriously, back up your position rather than argue semantics. All you do is keep citing the very top tier of stardom, and specifically of actors whose personal lives are the talk of the country. Those people are pretty far removed from the likes of this cast.

People who make bold claims and then refuse to back up them are exceedingly annoying.

 

[Boogie]

Is Willco a mod? And is this post an example of 'sucking up to a mod'? Let me know if it is, because I can't be sure. :lol

I said that Willco also needs a smackdown. I don't "suck up".

And no, Willco is not a mod.

 

[Willco]

I said that Willco also needs a smackdown.

Yes, but you said "sexually".

I don't "suck up".

... sexually.

And no, Willco is not a mod.

... Or so you think.

/me prepares to ban Lara

 

[levious]

That's what you (and Levious) are trying to make us believe. I think that's wrong.

Now you're putting words in MY mouth. I never intended to argue anything more than bigness of LOTR cast vs bigness of Begins cast. You point of past baggage is a good one, but I find it irrelevant to the cast of Batman Begins... please point out one of the actors that carries past baggage, preferably besides Katie Holmes.

 

[Boogie]

... Or so you think.

/me prepares to ban Lara

Permit me to rephrase:

If there is any reason to have faith in the GAF leadership, then Willco is not a mod.

 

[Willco]

Permit me to rephrase:

If there is any reason to have faith in the GAF leadership, then Willco is not a mod.

Well, we are all aethiests around here.

 

[effzee]

hey anyone have that poster for the movie posted on the 1st page...like a good image of it...i want it for my desktop.

 

[Dan]

Here's a higher-res one.

 

[Screaming_Gremlin]

Ignoring the parts that reek of stupidity, this thread is really starting to get me hyped for this movie. Wilco, if what you and Mana are saying about the script are true (I would check for myself, but I try to avoid spoilers) this sounds like it will be truely awesome.

 

[Willco]

Ignoring the parts that reek of stupidity, this thread is really starting to get me hyped for this movie. Wilco, if what you and Mana are saying about the script are true (I would check for myself, but I try to avoid spoilers) this sounds like it will be truely awesome.

It is pretty freakin' awesome. I find that despite the fact that I know the script and its twists and such, I'll probably enjoy see the whole feature come to life.

Also, it was great assurance to know that DC was going to fuck over the fans again.

 

[FoneBone]

Also, it was great assurance to know that DC was going to fuck over the fans again.

?

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

It's funny to watch 90% of a forum champion a film they've never watched. That being said I'm looking forward to this movie quite a bit.

 

[Duck of Death]

The script is pretty good. It is quite easy to find, for those who are curious.

For the record, I'm not that knowledgable as far as Batman goes. I've only read Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns, but I absolutely love the old animated show that was on Fox. Judging the script as a film and not as a fanboy, it will be a great ride.

Spoiler

The action sequence with the Batmobile is so ridiculously entertaining and badass that it will not only own your ass, it will own your mother's ass, your cousin's ass, your dead half-uncle's ass, and even that cool kid that got kicked out of elementary school for throwing a pipe bomb down the girls' toilet's ass.

I have a few minor issues with the script, but make no mistake: Batman Begins WILL deliver the goods and WILL be the best Batman movie yet. That's right, even better than Mask of the Phantasm.

 

[Deleted member 1159]

So did the trailer ever get posted or what? I don't want to go all the way through this bickering shit to find it