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Where is my Batman Begins trailer YOU PUNKS?

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Lara

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Dan said:
Would you just provide a fucking example already?

I never said past roles NEVER influence audience perception, but come-the-fuck-on! Are you seriously implying that mainstream audiences are even familiar with Bale's work, let alone that they're affect their view of his Bruce Wayne? Will Batman fans not be able to get Katie Holmes's Dawson's Creek character out of mind? Seriously, back up your position rather than argue semantics. All you do is keep citing the very top tier of stardom, and specifically of actors whose personal lives are the talk of the country. Those people are pretty far removed from the likes of this cast.

Again you're demonstrating your inability to appreciate that there is a spectrum between the two extremes of 'no-influence-of-past-work' and 'can't-get-Dawson's-Creek-out-of-my-mind'. And suggesting that this whole argument only applies to the 'very top tier of stardom' further highlights your lack of understanding.

It's not a difficult point, Dan. In making the argument about 'baggage' in this thread, I was thinking principally of Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, although the argument may apply equally to other members of the cast (and they don't have to be as prominent as Caine or Freeman, either). This doesn't mean, however, that when Michael Caine appears on screen in Batman, the viewer will be incapable of separating Batman's Alfred from another Caine performance (although this could happen, I guess). It's much more subtle. Our emotional familiarity with Caine is, in my view, inevitably carried over into his later roles. This degrades the purity of his performance. When I see Caine now, I'm already 'comfortable' with his face, with his performance ... and I often know what to expect.

This doesn't mean that Caine's performance in Batman Begins is condemned from the outset. But there is the potential that his performance is less fresh and more predictable than it might have been had we never seen Caine before.

And of course, Caine's own previous work may influence his performance to a certain degree, feeding into the problem as described above.



The background to all of this is the general distaste I have for the constant recycling of actors that takes place in the film world. I'm firmly in favour of the frequent injection of new blood and fresh talent, and I believe this can help to make performances more unpredictable/exciting/varied. It also satiates the egalitarian in me - equal opportunities as opposed to the backscratching and elitism that currently dominates the profession as a whole.

That's all it is. It's not an especially complicated or difficult argument. I'd like to have discussed it further, perhaps, but you've seen how this dumb thread has turned out.

levious said:
Now you're putting words in MY mouth. I never intended to argue anything more than bigness of LOTR cast vs bigness of Begins cast. You point of past baggage is a good one, but I find it irrelevant to the cast of Batman Begins... please point out one of the actors that carries past baggage, preferably besides Katie Holmes.

No, actually, your argument echoed Dan's. This is what you said:

'ha, talk about a saturated hollywood ensemble cast... Sean Astin, BOTH Coreys AND Joe Pantoliano in a minor supporting role? How am I supposed to suspend belief and separate these stars from their characters?'

As for the rest of my argument, see above.
 

Matlock

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Lara said:
Again you're demonstrating your inability to appreciate that there is a spectrum between the two extremes of 'no-influence-of-past-work' and 'can't-get-Dawson's-Creek-out-of-my-mind'. And suggesting that this whole argument only applies to the 'very top tier of stardom' further highlights your lack of understanding.

Something smells distinctly Greek here.
 
Hmm ... not enough star power ....

Brad Pitt is Batman/Bruce Wayne
Tom Cruise is Robin
Julia Roberts is Catwoman
JLo is new, sassy and sexy Batgirl
Jim Carrey is back as the Riddler
Kevin Spacey is the Penguin

Now that's more like it! :lol
 

Matlock

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'twas BuddyC that brought my attention to the poster and the similarity, but seriously...

I don't think I've ever seen anyone else around here go to the primitive defense mechanism of splitting as fast as Greekboy.
 

levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Lara said:
No, actually, your argument echoed Dan's. This is what you said:

'ha, talk about a saturated hollywood ensemble cast... Sean Astin, BOTH Coreys AND Joe Pantoliano in a minor supporting role? How am I supposed to suspend belief and separate these stars from their characters?'

As for the rest of my argument, see above.

haha, sorry for the confusion, but that was actually a joke about Goonies cast being more or less unknown prior to the movie.
 

Socreges

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I guess I was crazy to think that a three-page thread entitled: "Where is my Batman Begins trailer YOU PUNKS?", might have, y'know, a trailer.
 
After reading the link to the script, I am sorely dissapointed...






IN GAF's lack of a trailer furthering my frothing demand. Damnit. That script rocked.

MORE MORE MORE! I DEMAND SUSTENANCE!
 

ManaByte

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={<SMOKE>}= said:
i just read the script and it's pretty good. and manabyte couldn't be more right!

And the cool thing is that Goyer said at Comic Con that Warner didn't make them change ANYTHING from that script.
 

Wendo

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I'll never forget when I found out that Christopher Nolan was directing this. It was like Christmas morning.

Up until he got involved with the project, remember, the WB wanted to cast ASHTON KUTCHER as BRUCE WAYNE.

Nolan was like, "Oh hell no".
 

Rorschach

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Willco said:
To make you feel more comfortable about not lying, I give you the international poster...

6936.jpg
That poster looks awesome. I'm still not 100% sold on the movie, though.
 

Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Lara said:
The notion that Batman Begins contains a Hollywood cast (Morgan Freeman, Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Katie Holmes) is not contentious. What was contended was whether the celebrity of the cast of Batman Begins was greater than that of the cast of The Lord of the Rings.

Try and keep up.


That's your definition, not mine.

are you just arguing for the sake of it?

so what is your definition of a shiny hollywood cast?



Lara said:
So? Does this exclude someone from being (for example) Hollywood cast?

According to this definition, Naomi Watts could not be described as 'Hollywood cast'. Correct? :).

did i ever say they werent a hollywood cast. did you somehow skip this sentence: "most great actors have worked in hollywood at one point or another. "




Lara said:
Can you ask a more precise question next time? I'm guessing that you're trying to ask me whether I believe that The Lord of the Rings contains a Hollywood cast. Yes, it does. And yet it also contains a number of actors in key roles who do not carry prior baggage.

How many of us would balk at Tom Cruise in the role of Aragorn? Why? Is it because you doubt his acting ability? Or is it something else?

That's my point.:)

well.. the main roles come from the most 'unhollywood' actors in the movie: christian bale, Ken Watanabe, Gary Oldman .. all three of those are lesser known than most everyone in LOTR..



Lara said:
You're painting an exceptionally simplistic picture, either through disingenuousness or misunderstanding.

Let me propose the alternative extreme: that no past work that an actor has done 'interferes with'/influences/shapes their present work; and that, even if it does, it is never noticeable. That's what you (and Levious) are trying to make us believe. I think that's wrong.

Sure, I'm not suggesting that actors should only work in one film. But why pick Michael Caine as Alfred?


out of curiosity. what are your top 5 movies of all time.. top 5 of this past year. and what top 5 movies are you looking forward to.





--i do like your attempts at belittling me. nice work. try and keep it up :)
 

Azih

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I think Lara can't get beyond the fact of very unknown Viggo Mortensen playing Aragaon. Because the rest of the LOTR cast was pretty shiny hollywood.

I mean Liv Tyler. Come on.
 

Simo

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Apparently an international site released the trailer early but only in streaming format. By all means give the link a try but I can't verify if the trailer is the real deal since the site is giving me problems and I'm on dialup anyways..
LINK

Edit: Bastard thing. Site seems to be down or is at fault on my end...
 
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