It was not contemporary technology in any point in its lifecycle and no hopium can change that. Nintendo is a hell of a drug.
Damn right. Saturn sucks at 3D. Doesn't make N64 good. N64 can't even do high level 2D like Saturn.
Saturn belongs to the 3DO league, not the N64 or PS1 league
Well, yeah, it's Pokémon Stadium and there are only battles. No real point in having detailed backgrounds you can't even explore anyway.
Not a big enough deal to remove them. My message remains clear regardless.
It means you are better off playing Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 on SNES than Mortal Kombat Trilogy on N64 and that goes for anything 2D.
Glide sucks ass too. Amazing how it can make games look like a blurry mess relative to just software. There is a reason 3dfx went bankrupt.
This game is rad, I played it years later after reading weird reviews about its alien control scheme or whatever and found it plays pretty much like the second game in a very modern setup, d-pad to move the character, analog stick for the aiming, etc., it works great and is the best N64 rail shooter.Could Sin & Punishment get a spot? The game's a looker and iirc it runs quite well.
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Damn wrong. Saturn was good at 3D, and the N64 had the chipset to do amazing 2D games. Sadly, the focus was on 3D and going to carts made it simply too expensive for 2D games on the N64
But that doesn't mean The N64 can't do "high level 2D" (
) it just means MK Trilogy on the N64 was a bad port on an early 12MB cart.
I guess you weren't there.
Saturn is embarrassing in full 3D department. Unlike software on something like Sega Model 2 there always had to be some kind of major compromises or workarounds.
Name one 2D N64 game that could not be done on SNES.
No shit. More processing power allows higher resolutions with better performance. Voodoo cards were not cheap either (~$300).
The same thing could be said about Shadow of the Colussus. That game did crazy stuff on the PS2, and during some battles the frame rate dropped to what felt like (and possibly was) single digits at times.
You think the 2D visuals (not gameplay) in Yoshi's Story are trash?
) 2D graphics games.
Yoshi's Story
Shadow of the Colossus is hilariously basic and mundane. Ride a horse and run around in the middle of barren nowhere to spot a docile colossus, climb it, poke it in its marked weak point until it goes down, and proceed to do it again. Meanwhile, in God of War II you could have an epic battle with the Colossus of Rhodes.The same thing could be said about Shadow of the Colussus. That game did crazy stuff on the PS2, and during some battles the frame rate dropped to what felt like (and possibly was) single digits at times.
Yet that game rarely receives the same amount of criticism for that… I can't quite put my finger on what the reason could be, though
God forbid a game has a different atmosphere, style and pace than "press A to awesome" and "epic battles" all the time.
You think the 2D visuals (not gameplay) in Yoshi's Story are trash?
Dunno man... I don't think this game looks any worse than any of the Saturn's "high level" (
I mean, the lighting and reflections in some instances look even better?
It never looked like that. You need to blur it by X1000%. You're being disingenuous with you post
Yes, apart from the much better animation, amount of frames and sprites on screen, special effects, background layers, color depth, real time lighting, frame buffer reflections, art direction, it looks exactly like Clayfighter on SNES.
It's not as horrible on real N64 with expansion pack, and the frame rate doesn't get as much of a hit as other games
Why make a game that can't even theoretically run smoothly?
I like how you underline it as if it's a fact or something.
None of those do anything the SNES could not do with the right approach with the exception of those with 3D elements like Rakuga Kids. The N64 Treasure games are far worse than anything they pulled off on the Genesis (which was often lacking in many departments relative to SNES). Genesis RTS titles like Herzog Zwei are proof that SNES could do something akin to Starcraft 64 (following that line of thinking). The fact that you would stoop so low as to list the bobble-headed, create-a-chump basketball sequel with the wack ass announcer as a feature of the system just proves how dire the 2D selection for N64 is.
I mean, i only posted Hangtime as an example of how much more capable the N64 is compared to the SNES in handling a NBA JAM arcade perfect port, with all animations, sprite details/size and everything, in comparison to the SNES.
Yes, apart from the much better animation, amount of frames and sprites on screen, special effects, background layers, color depth, real time lighting, frame buffer reflections, art direction, it looks exactly like Clayfighter on SNES.
This thread is about graphics. While SNES could never hope to produce N64 audio quality or 3D graphics it could certainly do a bang up job with 2D sprites and animations on par with the N64 because the successor is so lacking. If you looked at 2D graphics of arcade hardware staples like CPS2 and NeoGeo of the time you would realize that N64 could not even pull off 2D graphics on par with even the worst PS1 ports.
NeverYouMind
Can i ask, why are you in this thread? It's a N64 specific thread about the best visuals within it's own library. Even if all the games look like shit, there are still going to be some games that look better than others. It's not about comparing them with the PC or Dreamcast or PS1 or Saturn. So what are you doing in this thread if you hate the ontopic subject so much?Wasn't there recently a similar thread about N64 visuals.
Dunno, i didn't make the thread. You are asking the wrong person.
I don't know why I bother with your trolling, but I never expected a home consoles to outdo the latest state of the art SEGA Arcade board costing some £16,000 quid
It looks miles better than anything else on the PSX and Saturn!
Dunno man... I don't think this game looks any worse than any of the Saturn's "high level" (
Yeah, even a PC with a 3D accelerator in 1997 couldn't outdo the Model 2.
pc? It couldn't outdo even Gran Turismo and Tekken 3 on the PSX!
Tell me how this could be done on SNES :
nkarafo
that's already better than a lot of 2D Saturn games.
PC had resolutions far superior to PSX or Saturn back then.
