White cop shoots unarmed black man dead in Arizona

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Simon Belmont said:
And we all know, there's literally nothing a black person would keep in their back seat that isn't a gun.
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And why would a person when stoped by a cop do anything but sit there and do what instructed to do by the police officer?

Oh sorry, you pulled me over I am going to ignore your instructions and reach behind me to grab something...

Yeah great move there.
 
Horsemama1956 said:
Try calling for backup. Not sure why he had to just make that arrest right then and there.
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This is the only that is really suspect. I would think he should have just followed the guy and waited for backup. The fact that cops ride solo is weird to me when they use to ride 2 in a car. The equipment is to blame for most of the space.

People saying he was unarmed. He probably left gun in car when he bolted hoping to not get charged with a gun and drugs. The cop wouldn't know that though.
 
Flying Toaster said:
And why would a person when stoped by a cop do anything but sit there and do what instructed to do by the police officer?

Oh sorry, you pulled me over I am going to ignore your instructions and reach behind me to grab something...

Yeah great move there.
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I think the last few months have perfectly illustrated why a black man might not want to just sit there and do what's instructed to do by a cop lol
 
Big Baybee said:
You should not be able to fire upon a civilian until a weapon is confirmed. A weapon was not confirmed until his suv was searched, the cop thought he saw and felt. Gun in the guys pants. He was wrong.
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yeah but what if it is just a bb gun, you'd probably have to wait until they actually fire it in order to confirm what kind of damage it can do, dont you think?
 
King Cobra said:
As opposed to get killed and have your family know at least you didn't shoot first? When you have at least 100 police officers being killed every year they don't have the luxury that you have to read the article after everything happened.
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So because some cops get killed the rest should be given wide reign to use lethal force?

If cops don't want to put up with danger maybe they should go be Walmart greeters.

Danger is part of the job description. Considering their training and power (and revered status among many parts of our society) we should hold them to a higher standard, not make excuses for them when shit goes bad.

Violence Jack said:
I doubt this story is going to garner much sympathy or attention in comparison to the Brown, Garner, Walmart, and the 12 year-old child killings. But if the cop doesn't actually see a gun or any other type of weapon, then why shoot him?
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Because cops can get away with shooting people under virtually any circumstance?
 
Horsemama1956 said:
Try calling for backup. Not sure why he had to just make that arrest right then and there.
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quickwhips said:
This is the only that is really suspect. I would think he should have just followed the guy and waited for backup. The fact that cops ride solo is weird to me when they use to ride 2 in a car. The equipment is to blame for most of the space.

People saying he was unarmed. He probably left gun in car when he bolted hoping to not get charged with a gun and drugs. The cop wouldn't know that though.
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With police forces across the country under increased scrutiny over killing unarmed black men, Phoenix police said in a statement that its officer called for backup, and then saw Brisbon appear to remove something from the car's back seat.
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in the article
 
brinstar said:
I think the last few months have perfectly illustrated why a black man might not want to just sit there and do what's instructed to do by a cop lol
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Yes, but it still does not stop the fact that when pulled over by a police officer you don't start doing random shit just for the hell of it.
 
quickwhips said:
This is the only that is really suspect. I would think he should have just followed the guy and waited for backup. The fact that cops ride solo is weird to me when they use to ride 2 in a car. The equipment is to blame for most of the space.

People saying he was unarmed. He probably left gun in car when he bolted hoping to not get charged with a gun and drugs. The cop wouldn't know that though.
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Shit if that car was in his name he was going to prison either way unless he legally owned the firearm and had a CC license. And going buy the fact that drugs were present I doubt he legally owned it.

Graphics Horse said:
Especially in Arizona where it's quite legal to carry a concealed gun without a permit.
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Did not know this.
 
The problem is that people have lost trust in the police to do their job competently, fairly, without malice, without fear of retribution, without bloodthirst. Never mind the justice system.

If i were a black man in America and saw police approach me, i may as well have a death warrant on me and will do anything to escape the clutches of police custody. Sure statistically the police death rate is very low, but when you feel prejudiced against possibly your entire life, and all it takes is the bad mood of a single cop among the dozen who are coming for you, it will feel like your odds of survival are extremely marginal.

Edit: there may have only been one police there, but once in custody you'll be in contact with dozens.
 
The gun may not have been on his person, but this is not the same situation as the others, where cops killed unarmed black people doing nothing illegal. If the story is true, then this guy was told to put his hands up and get on the ground and gave chase and fought (with eye witnesses).

I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt though, for all we know, everything was planted, the gun wasn't his and he wasn't selling anything, the pills could've been prescribed and it does say a jar believe to be weed (never heard of weed in a jar).

Flying Toaster said:
And why would a person when stoped by a cop do anything but sit there and do what instructed to do by the police officer?

Oh sorry, you pulled me over I am going to ignore your instructions and reach behind me to grab something...

Yeah great move there.
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Yeah... living in the hood, this is something you see a lot, like WAY too often to be believable.
 
dork said:
They shouldnt have to. If someone reaches into there pocket during an arrest white/black/whatever its scary as hell to that police officer. Put yourself in his shoes, think of the stuff they see on a daily basis now respond to a call and see how nervous you feel
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This isn't the wild west. No officer should have to worry about someone outdrawing them when their gun is already drawn (unless he's an awful shot).
 
Flying Toaster said:
And why would a person when stoped by a cop do anything but sit there and do what instructed to do by the police officer?

Oh sorry, you pulled me over I am going to ignore your instructions and reach behind me to grab something...

Yeah great move there.
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Disobeying a police officer shouldn't come with death as a punishment if you ask me.
 
quickwhips said:
I know it just weird that him going for something in the seat made him not wait for backup. I read the article.
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Actually it is strange that the cop did approach the situation without backup. Especially in Phoenix. A lot of stops even DPS (Highway Patrol) two police officers are now present.

I do not know enough of the details on why the cop decided to approach the suspect. I can only guess and that's all this is... The cop approached the suspect because of odd or suspicious behavior.
 
Flying Toaster said:
And why would a person when stoped by a cop do anything but sit there and do what instructed to do by the police officer?

Oh sorry, you pulled me over I am going to ignore your instructions and reach behind me to grab something...

Yeah great move there.
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It's really not clear in the article whether the officer had approached the victim before he reached into the back seat, so I don't know where you're getting that from.
 
IISANDERII said:
The problem is that people have lost trust in the police to do their job competently, fairly, without malice, without fear of retribution, without bloodthirst. Never mind the justice system.

If i were a black man in America and saw police approach me, i may as well have a death warrant on me and will do anything to escape the clutches of police custody. Sure statistically the police death rate is very low, but when you feel prejudiced against possibly your entire life, and all it takes is the bad mood of a single cop among the dozen who are coming for you, it will feel like your odds of survival are extremely marginal.
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True. Although resisting and fighting and running shouting profanities doesn't seem like the tactics i'd use to increase my chance of survival in this situation.
 
Simon Belmont said:
It's really not clear in the article whether the officer had approached the victim before he reached into the back seat, so I don't know where you're getting that from.
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You are right. I live in Phoenix so this has had a lot of coverage, I should only be talking about the situation in the context of this article. I am sorry for having mixed up the situation with multiple news sources.
 
i feel bad for everybody. Good cops (of which there are thousands) are automatically suspected of being racists and power hungry when they are not. I feel bad for anyone losing a life that could have been prevented.
 
Corgi said:
True. Although resisting and fighting and running shouting profanities doesn't seem like the tactics i'd use to increase my chance of survival in this situation.
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when death is coming for you, you wouldn't resist it, wouldn't try to fight it off? You wouldn't be scared and be cursing at the top of your lungs? Most people would.
 
Flying Toaster said:
You are right. But disobeying a police officer should also not allow for people to get away and run off just because they do not want to face the law.
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying this cop had no right to shoot him dead. We are at a point where all a guy has to do is reach in his pocket and police instantly have a right to gun you down right there. Are people really comfortable with that?
 
KingGondo said:
So because some cops get killed the rest should be given wide reign to use lethal force?

If cops don't want to put up with danger maybe they should go be Walmart greeters.

Danger is part of the job description. Considering their training and power (and revered status among many parts of our society) we should hold them to a higher standard, not make excuses for them when shit goes bad.
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Again it is very easy for you to say this after you have all the information place on your computer screen. This guy acted like a text book situation of someone who is about to do something really stupid. When you are told to put your hands in the air and you not only choose to refuse but to act violent the benefit of the doubt no longer applies to you.
 
Krauser Kat said:
i feel bad for everybody. Good cops (of which there are thousands) are automatically suspected of being racists and power hungry when they are not. I feel bad for anyone losing a life that could have been prevented.
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You think that would motivate the good cops to not cover for their "brothers" or otherwise weed out the bad ones.
 
Man gag with all these sad events happening I don't know why but Chris dorner keeps popping up in my head about his sayings of corruption he witnessed . Sorry I know it's off topic.
 
tkscz said:
I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt though, for all we know, everything was planted, the gun wasn't his and he wasn't selling anything, the pills could've been prescribed and it does say a jar believe to be weed (never heard of weed in a jar).



Yeah... living in the hood, this is something you see a lot, like WAY too often to be believable.
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Most cops are just driving around with spare guns and drugs to plant on innocent black people after they shoot them. Most cops wake up in the morning and can't wait to get out there and start firing their guns.
 
robotzombie said:
yeah, like repeatedly issuing commands and hoping the person eventually decides to actually listen to them
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Does resisting arrest carry a death sentence? What's the punishment for having your hand in your pocket?

He didn't have a gun on him, so I find it hard to believe he was reaching for one.
 
Simon Belmont said:
If only there was something between letting them go and killing them on the spot.
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well this seems more like a hollywood style, chase, to hand to hand struggle, than shoot.



Although i do wonder, is there really not much companies putting R&D in nonlethal options for the police?

Or redesign the patrol outfit in a way the cops don't feel so vulnerable.

maybe highway patrol should be in SWAT gear or w/e the fuck jack bauer wore in season 7.
 
Why couldn't they taser him? Or you know.. just be trained in how to disarm people? Seems to work well in the UK..

I'm not blaming the officers btw, seems like a general problem with the training and equipment the police are provided in the US.
 
squall211 said:
No, but fleeing from one, then getting into a physical confrontation with one isn't going to help your chances of surviving either.
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The concept of being killed by police even if you flee or try to attack them is so strange to me. Granted practically no one here is carrying guns, but still...
 
I guess if you really want to screw someone's life over, just make a call to the police that they are selling drugs. Police will do no-knock raids, throw grenades into baby cribs, and shoot unarmed people just to stop those menacing drugs from being sold.

Does a suspected drug seller "pulling something out of his backseat" warrant immediate response before backup arrives? Why? What harm does it do to wait for backup? It's just drug sales.
 
cheezcake said:
Do tasers not exist in the US?
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Olli128 said:
Why couldn't they taser him? Or you know.. just be trained in how to disarm people? Seems to work well in the UK..
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We've already had a bunch of police related taser deaths and that sparked outrage as well. In a nutshell, what this all boils down to is poor training for our police forces and poor recruiting policies that keep attracting officers of the wrong mindset and demeanor.
 
Flying Toaster said:
Sad irony time...

Taser International is based out of Scottsdale Arizona.
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Well then....

Olli128 said:
Why couldn't they taser him? Or you know.. just be trained in how to disarm people? Seems to work well in the UK..

I'm not blaming the officers btw, seems like a general problem with the training and equipment the police are provided in the US.
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On top of the proven racial profiling, there seems to be a real lack of non-lethal takedown training
 
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