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White guilt and the conquering native tribes
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MaestroMike
Gold Member
America's going through some stuff but we attract everybody and Americans from different races/ethnicities are mixing more and more everyday. Eventually the majority are going to be mixed people and we'll embrace all the cultures of our ancestors. America's going to be ahead of the curve as usual and the pain now is going to pay dividends in the future because it'll be easier to work together, communicate and there will be less fighting. Plus we'll be even more attractive to the monoraces. Eventually the whole world is going to be very mixed ! Muhahahaha !! 
Romulus
Member
The point is sailing over your head. There's no guilt trip for non Europeans war tribes because they killed, raped, enslaved, and stole each others land.
It only matters when the white man did it because he did it on a grander scale.
It's not about justification, it's about hypocrisy.
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Only if you bring me some hot women and some nice sweaters.
the U.K. was invaded loads by the romans the french the Germans the Danes. Yes the British were cunts during our colonial phase. I did not happen to be alive then or involved in it. I’m fed up of being guilted when I had nothing to do with it. I’m trying to live my life and treat people the way I wish to be treated.
the only thing we can do is stop racism happening in this current time. Educate people and treat each other with respect.
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JordanN
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You should look into the history of Latin America.America's going through some stuff but we attract everybody and Americans from different races/ethnicities are mixing more and more everyday. Eventually the majority are going to be mixed people and we'll embrace all the cultures of our ancestors. America's going to be ahead of the curve as usual and the pain now is going to pay dividends in the future because it'll be easier to work together, communicate and there will be less fighting. Plus we'll be even more attractive to the monoraces. Eventually the whole world is going to be very mixed ! Muhahahaha !!
Several countries that speak Spanish/Portugese have mixed nationalities, but in no way are they at peace.
And to say it's going to pay dividends, again, look at their economies. Mexico is not more wealthy than the USA. Same with Brazil.
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Romulus
Member
This should work.
Even at the lowest estimates that's one of the worst ass kickings i've ever heard about.
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G-Bus
Banned
We're animals not really different from any other animal on earth outside of our self conscious maybe?
Not sure if that gives us the moral obligation to rise above basic instincts or what have you
But yea, people conquer other people, take land, etc etc.
Honestly never thought about it in the way that aboriginals were fighting each other for land, so why does our coming and taking it from them any different.
Not sure if that gives us the moral obligation to rise above basic instincts or what have you
But yea, people conquer other people, take land, etc etc.
Honestly never thought about it in the way that aboriginals were fighting each other for land, so why does our coming and taking it from them any different.
Pumpkin Seeds
Member
The groups pushing most views of history have a post-colonial perspective. This means they act as though the world is 400-500 years old. All history preceding colonially written history doesn't exist within their view of the world. Anthropology is digging up older and older human life in the Americas. Hell, fundamentalist creationists at least go back 4000 years.
Perhaps the reason they don't respect monuments to history is because they've erased much of human history from themselves already.
Perhaps the reason they don't respect monuments to history is because they've erased much of human history from themselves already.
Johnny Silver
Banned
Inexorably?
You mean like it's still legal today to own slaves in other cultures?
You mean "inexorably" as in western civilization was the only one who took the effort to abolish slavery? If it's so easy then why didn't other civilizations push to abolish it at the time? Why does it still exist today?
The fact that western civ. ended slavery is a demonstration of it's EXCELLENCY and SUPERIORITY.
Ending slavery is not something inevitable, much to the contrary. Ending it is a demonstration of EXCELLENCE and EXCEPTIONALISM.
Romulus
Member
God damn
Halo is Back
Member
War is a real-estate business, and war is as old as time.
Texas Pride
Banned
War isn't fair. And it's not supposed to be. War is a consequence of unresolved grievances. When it's your people vs those people survival depends on the annihilation of those people. Winners dictate the terms of surrender. This has always been and always will be.
Romulus
Member
I just find it interesting that when someone's ancestors lose their land its because the war "wasn't fair" or because "bad people took advantage of my peace-loving forefathers." lol GTFO. We all come from warring ancestors that won battles because of technological advantages. Europeans just did it more recently and on a grander scale.
carlosrox
Banned
I think taking over someone else's land just because you could (when you already had your own) is a bullshit thing to do and they absolutely forever fucked over entire races and civilizations.
They may have been warring with eachother but that is not at all the same as what the Europeans did to blacks, American and Canadian natives, and Meso Americans.
How many entire cultures and peoples did they ruin forever?
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Exactly.
People only care about the past 100-200 years because that's all they know, too lazy to read history books, and are jealous that the way the world works now things are kind of set. And they know if you go back too far you got godly crusades by countries trying to take over an colonize the other end of the world, so it counters their agenda.
There's no more Nazis trying to take over Europe. No Genghis Khan sweeping across Eurasia. No whities or spaniards sailing on ships colonizing new lands. Everything is set, every piece of land claimed, and unless there's some weird break ups like Yugoslavia/Eastern Europe separating into like 8 countries, there' no borders changing or lands conquered. The biggest battles we have are global trade...... aside from the forever squabbles in the mid east and israel.
So what you got are a bunch of whiners.
The funny thing is that history shows that hub of Southern Europe/Africa/Mid East and Asia seemed to have the most people, most advanced societies, best trade route, biggest cities, etc.....
While other regions of the world like North/South America and most of Europe had much fewer people, had mostly natives, didn't have the latest greatest money and tech and had to be built from the ground up through centuries of colonization and shipping things over by boat.
Yet, that hub seemed to falter and fuck around while the newly colonized lands grew great.
All those starting hub countries had to do was keep on going and places like NA and SA and any other relatively new colonized country/continent would be left in the dust.
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desertdroog
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People say the 300 Spartans were myth, allow me to present the Spanish Kingdom of Asturias during Reconquista:
en.wikipedia.org
Battle of Covadonga - Wikipedia
SentientStone
Member
Unfortunately, we seem to be transitioning from panel 3 into panel 4 right now. History does appear to be cyclical.
Women are in an opposite cycle where they transition between feminism and temptress.
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Deleted member 17706
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Do you have any idea how many countless civilizations and tribes have been ruined over the course of human history? Seems like only the last winner in our absolutely brutal human history gets all of the criticism. I hope you realize that if we keep going down this path, the lesson here for future civilizations will not be to simply accept their lot and not invade and conquer, but instead that they must completely and utterly wipe out the people that occupied the land or worked on the land if they intend to keep it. Just about the only country in the world that is truly open to people of all ethnicities and creeds and we're on a path to tearing ourselves apart and going back to racial segregation and resentment.
MaestroMike
Gold Member
Iono man if they didn't war with each other they wouldn't have pushed tech and science as much now we live in a world with 7.8 billion people no big as$ wars in decades many people are fed and countries have become more productive gdp wise. In 1950 there were only 2.5 billion people. We have like 5 billion ppl increase. That's pretty impressive.
Texas Pride
Banned
I agree. Wars like elections have consequences. Europeans modernized war on a grander scale but they weren't the only ones to make war. And the winners write the history afterwards. The evolution of war is fascinating.
Sakura
Member
I mean, it's human history.
Romans invaded Britain and changed our culture, warred with natives that weren't into it. Then the Anglo-Saxons came after, and took our language and changed our culture again. Then vikings tried to establish themselves in Britain, but it didn't work out. Then the Normans invaded and conquered England.
Pretty much this shit happens every where. How many languages and cultures were lost to the Muslims for example? Natives killed and enslaved other natives too, when they had the chance. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
I understand the native point of view too though. If bitching and guilt tripping gets you bonuses for your people, why wouldn't you do it?
Romans invaded Britain and changed our culture, warred with natives that weren't into it. Then the Anglo-Saxons came after, and took our language and changed our culture again. Then vikings tried to establish themselves in Britain, but it didn't work out. Then the Normans invaded and conquered England.
Pretty much this shit happens every where. How many languages and cultures were lost to the Muslims for example? Natives killed and enslaved other natives too, when they had the chance. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.
I understand the native point of view too though. If bitching and guilt tripping gets you bonuses for your people, why wouldn't you do it?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I'm no history major, but I remember reading the crazy shit natives did to each other when they dominated Latin America and South America regions.
If people think all the aztecs and incas and whomever were all super peaceful land lovers who got raped and gunned down by Europeans, you might want to read some wikipedia articles or history books.
But it all gets ignored because people are too focused on modern day events, and whities and spaniards came over by the boatload and took over.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
That comparison simply shows that this shit is human nature.
Those who fought and usurped other peoples were beaten themselves as well by others that were stronger than them, so it's not really for them to cry that they were treated unfairly.
That's the whole point here, and I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.
JimmyRustler
Member
Well, basically it boils down to "slaughting people is ok... as long as you do it in your own neighborhood". Europeans were most notrious for slaughtering each other above everyone else. Perhaps that also the reason why they have been so successfull in colonizing other countries historically.
The entire world pre-1950 was a fucking shitshow with people and countries killing each other left and right. No one should feel guilty about anything. It was different times. Stupid leftist people tend to think that humans back than used to have the same woes, worries, knowledge and literally fucking everything they have right now and hence cannot understand why they did shit and feel guilty about it. What a bunch of morons.
Get that shit in your brains: You did not live back then and hence you cannot possibly understand what it's been like. So stop fucking judging people for their actions. Learn for the past, do not try to make amends for it.
The entire world pre-1950 was a fucking shitshow with people and countries killing each other left and right. No one should feel guilty about anything. It was different times. Stupid leftist people tend to think that humans back than used to have the same woes, worries, knowledge and literally fucking everything they have right now and hence cannot understand why they did shit and feel guilty about it. What a bunch of morons.
Get that shit in your brains: You did not live back then and hence you cannot possibly understand what it's been like. So stop fucking judging people for their actions. Learn for the past, do not try to make amends for it.
Vanitymachine
Neo Member
Everything about modern society seems to be based around lies and half truths to deprecate and eventually subjugate white people. I couldn't tell you the reason or end goal, but it's getting really hard to ignore. The double standards are always so blatant and always at the expense of whites.
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Down With Yoga Pants!
Banned
The existence and proliferation of white guilt narratives in primarily white countries is indirect proof that those very same white countries have been conquered and are now occupied by a completely different group of people. After all, if white people truly controlled their own countries, and had any interest in maintaining that control, they wouldn't be teaching themselves to feel guilty about it. Only a subjugated people would be forced into such a position.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Romulus
Member
Is there any evidence to support that guilt is actually worse today? What about 40 years ago? Even back during the peak of slavery and European conquest, there was opposition. We just don't know how guilty people felt. On the whole, I just think most are completely ignorant to it all, or don't even think about it. And then you have the vocal minority of liberal whites kissing boots of black people and wanting to commit suicide because of bad ancestors.
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Down With Yoga Pants!
Banned
Without a doubt it is worse today. Just look at cancel culture. Just look at the way white guilt proponents are encouraging people to ostracize their own family for not feeling guilty enough. None of this existed 40 years ago. White people have never in history been more cucked than they are right now.
That's all beside the point, though. Guilt is foisted on the losers in a war, not the winners. If white countries are peddling guilt to their own white populations, that means they've been lost, and conquered by someone else.
Romulus
Member
Those are instances and doesn't necessarily offer a comparison on the whole. We see extreme instances of this and that but the US for example is over 200 million whites. How many are really doing that shit? People in really liberal cities.
While I think it's safe to assume, it could be similar to police brutality against blacks. It seems rampant because if the way its portrayed with the media, but once you really dig into the statistics, much it falls apart.
I think It could more of our current society's ability to perpetuate through social media. Imagine all the crazy shit going on in the hippy days that wasn't reported.
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Down With Yoga Pants!
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You're ignoring all the other evidence. The schools are filled with white guilt. The media is filled with white guilt. The mostly white history of the country itself is under attack from all directions. Sports teams are being pressured to change their names. The white race is the only race that can now be openly mocked and criticized. All other races are protected by political correctness. You can lose your job for simply saying "white lives matter". Trust me, none of this stuff existed 40 years ago on such a broad, mainstream scale.
Romulus
Member
Whats taught is largely the same as it was 40 years ago.
I see much of what you're saying myself, but I just believe on the whole it hasn't penetrated and it's more vocal minority and media blasts. I definitely notice the attempt. And if it anything I see alot of pushback recently because of BLM. Alot of black conservatives rising up against it.
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Tschumi
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I have seen the results of European colonies in a numbers of countries in which I've lived.. even if we did it "better", that really just means we were the worst. Can be pretty hard to live in China, Japan or Indonesia, among others, and see random white people on holiday disrespecting the undereducated, impoverished locals.. talk about spitting on the grave of a dead society when you look and act as the murderers did~
"He came dancin' across the water
Cortez Cortez
What a killer..."
Ps. Shout out and recognition to those of you who display respect, patience and wonder when you're lucky enough to travel to these societies <3
"He came dancin' across the water
Cortez Cortez
What a killer..."
Ps. Shout out and recognition to those of you who display respect, patience and wonder when you're lucky enough to travel to these societies <3
Romulus
Member
But does it mean you need to feel guilty? If your dad was a sex addict, would you feel guilty for all the hearts he broke? Even if he killed someone, I wouldn't feel a shred of guilt. Has nothing to do with my journey of respecting others, and I'm surely not going to give a fuck about hundreds of years ago just because I share more genetic code with the dominant race. No pride or guilt.
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Tschumi
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I get where you're coming from, but, kind of like how i would feel bad if i saw a 10,000 year old tree getting hacked to bits in front of me, i would feel bad about a decimated society.. i do recognise that my view is pretty wishy washy i guess.. i don't know, i developed this feeling by actually watching this stuff happen in front of me and not enjoying it.. so yeah that's how i ended up feeling about it...
Edit: and yeah, i feel guilty, my gene pool ripped apart superior societies because centuries of war gave us vicious instincts, but it's also a guilt as someone from a more stable country, someone a lot luckier.. i feel bad for societies that got ripped apart by non-whites, too
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The Scrivener
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I literally can't handle all this common sense.
Romulus
Member
Understood, I just feel like people clinging on to a set of genes to construct a particular behavior is absurd. Most all humans have shown they can be terrorizing, inconsiderate, and brutal. Then within the same society decades later those same people are peaceful and docile. Did their gene's change? No. Culture is the ultimate factor.
Down With Yoga Pants!
Banned
Well, I lived through it, and what was taught in the schools 40 years ago bears very little resemblance to what is taught in the schools today. White people weren't taught they were inherently racist and evil. White people weren't taught to feel shame about their ancestors and history. White people weren't canceled for saying what was on their mind. White people weren't bombarded with false narratives like cultural appropriation, white privilege, or institutional racism. White people weren't made to feel like they had to be politically correct at all times lest they offend someone. White people didn't feel the need to virtue signal their "wokeness". Everything was different.
These are the things that take place in a conquered, occupied country. The occupation force will always try to reeducate the population to accept guilt, and therefore the need for their own subjugation.
Cybrwzrd
Banned
Even if Europeans never colonized Africa, they’d still be fucked, arguably moreso since they’d even be further behind the technology and society development curve.
Romulus
Member
I was educated 30 years ago myself, so what's changed in our history books, be specific.
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Down With Yoga Pants!
Banned
It's not the books that have changed, it's the over-politicization of the lessons themselves. We have an entire generation of young people who are now openly hostile to the U.S. Constitution and the men who created it. They hate their own country, and would likely burn it to the ground if left unattended. We're talking millions of these brainwashed, self-hating morons, all pumped out by the public indoctrination system over the last 20 years or so. That doesn't happen by accident, it only happens through deliberate planning and execution over the course of many years. That's why the media pumps out so much white guilt propaganda nowadays. Because they know there is a huge audience who are receptive to it.
Romulus
Member
But I also remember alot of this behavior during the hippy and civil rights years. Vietnam soldiers were spat on, flags were routinely burned, widespread protests. Not saying it's not widespread now, because it certainly seems that way, but there's really no metric to know for sure. It's definitely different, but for all we know is the waves of hatred and guilt spike up and down and we're on a spike atm that is being perpetuated by social media.
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Lanrutcon
Member
Debatable I guess, but that still doesn't excuse what happened. Just because their fate is potentially less terrible than what could have been, doesn't make what was done to them any more justified. Fucked is still fucked, and in the current timeline they're fucked because of us.
Romulus
Member
How are they fucked because of us? And who is us specifically? Modern people? All Americans? Some?
Do you know exactly when your ancestors arrived in the US? Even then, doesn't mean all of them were slaveowners or rampant killers. It's bizarre and frankly absurd that there's this automatic confirmation that all white Americans are slaveowner's children somehow, its the strangest attachment of guilt I've ever witnessed.
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Cybrwzrd
Banned
Whites are an invasive species? That would require humans to be speciated.
I'd say they are far better off now than they were pre-colonial era. You can't advance a civilization thousands of years in a few hundred and expect them to adapt all that quickly. If you took a tribe of Vikings and put them in the modern era, they would struggle as well. The other choice would have been to leave them alone like the Sentinelese, and the world needs resources far more than it does the lives of a few primitives.
If it wasn't Europeans it would have been another advanced civilization that exploited the Americas and Africa.
Faenrir
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I'd recommend reading "Civilizations" by Laurent Binet.
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Down With Yoga Pants!
Banned
Vietnam was a pointless, stupid, and highly unpopular war that was essentially started on a lie. That was apparent to most Americans fairly quickly. So of course the soldiers who fought it were disrespected. But I don't see how that is comparable to all the white guilt propaganda that is now being pushed in the schools and media. It's not social media pushing this, it's institutional. The subversion is far more embedded and widespread than the 1960s.
Tschumi
Member
You may be right, but there is no one way that contemporary whites associate with our past. Some of us may be divorced from it, some of us may specifically relate to and promote it. I think the reality is that there is a very real precedent set by the past of whites which informs the racist actions of very successful whites to this day.
I think, looking out from within my genepool, i don't really perceive how easy things are for me as a white person.. but I've lived in East Asia on and off since i was 15 and I've spent the whole time enjoying a level of respect and attraction from the people who live there that i haven't earned (at least, i try to be a good enough person to deserve the respect my skin colour gifts me)
I guess what I'm saying is that whether or not this is absurd, there is a reality that whites enjoy a privileged position which they didn't individually earn, and it's probably about right that any enlightened white person should feel guilty about that... It doesn't mean we can't absolve ourselves of this with good deeds and setting a good example~ i guess some people don't think it needs to be absolved.. well that's up to them.
Ah well, i guess I've said my points, I'll leave it there at the risk of starting to repeat myself!
