Its really a "deployability" issue. How do you expect a bunch of totally completely no-one is transgender or gay guys to survive on a boat for months on end without any big boobs around?
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White House to direct Pentagon to deny admission to transgender people
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SpaceCadetKeon
Banned
Clearly something a man who claims to love all Americans would do.
Strider_Blaze
Member
Well I usually want to avoid posting in Donald Trump posts, but I'm gonna say this:
Fuck that clown! Drop the "T" and "U" from POTUS and you get exactly what he truly is.
And it wasn't that long when he said that he "loved the troops" from the Arizona speech, wasn't it?
This is plain wrong and discriminatory!
Fuck that clown! Drop the "T" and "U" from POTUS and you get exactly what he truly is.
And it wasn't that long when he said that he "loved the troops" from the Arizona speech, wasn't it?
This is plain wrong and discriminatory!
SolarPowered
Member
First he'll come for the transgenders, then others of the LGBT, then women and finally the minorities. Just enough to significantly weaken the US military for Russia. Putin is going to be proud of his boy Trump.
GKSilKamina
Member
It's okay because Trump loves "all people". He said so on the TV.
Seriously though, this is sickening.
Seriously though, this is sickening.
Lord Fagan
Junior Member
Thanks, traitor.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
I was hoping he would've gotten distracted by a butterfly, or something.
This shit right here.
^^^^^^
Far, far more dangerous to the U.S. than ISIS or Russia or N. Korea or anyone else.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
Member
Blaming the victims for being the targets of a domestic terrorist attack slightly edges it out.
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Fuck trump and his supporters so fucking much
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
100%.
Shadow Puppetry
Member
Must be why he's been quiet for some time.
kitsunelaine
Banned
Let's not deflect too much blame from the one putting the ink on it.
Actually this feels like a distraction...
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/900566963788935169
The walls are closing in and Donny needs a distraction
To be frank, "hey guys we need a distraction throw me one" and Pence saying "ban trans people from the military" would probably be enough of a reason for him to do it.
I'm all for going fuck all of them.
EYEL1NER
Member
Nah, most will be Honorable, General (under Honorable Conditions), or at the worst, Under Other Than Honorable Conditions (which isn't a good one to get, but better than a BCD or dishonorable; OTH can still be eligible for VA benefits depending on their circumstances), and then an Entry-Level Seperation for people in boot camp/basic training when the policy hits.
I'm sure that some transphobic commander somewhere might delve into the UCMJ and create some trumped up charges to try to court martial a trans service member whom they dislike and want to make an example of,mouth it probably won't be common.
Imperfected
Member
Add another countdown timer onto the pile.
I hope you're feeling sufficiently motivated to work fast, Mueller.
I hope you're feeling sufficiently motivated to work fast, Mueller.
Anything that isn't an Honorable discharge will cost them their G.I. Bill, which is one of the biggest reasons why people join the military.
hodayathink
Member
For something like this to get stricken off the record once it's suggested, you'd have to go past Trump, past Pence, and probably past Paul Ryan and maybe even past Orrin Hatch (who I believe is next in line) to find someone who might actually reverse/negate it. Truthfully, you might not actually find a national Republican in the line of succession willing to stick out their necks enough to actively undo it.
I assume hormone treatments and reassignment surgery.
Sex reassignment surgery.
Tbh, not sure if that works since it's already in the budget.
TeamLeftMatch
Member
B-But he held the flag
How long is it until we get a Trump to say this:
"All transgendered employees will be forced to pay a 'bathroom tax' because you want them to stick to 1 bathroom, they could be perverts, and I like the people, very nice people but we've seen perverts from them. In Trump tower we know all the genders of our trans people and they work fine with the tax, beautiful trump tower good working people beautiful scenery. And you know with their surgery for their whatever they should pay tax like Evey American. And the Dems are being jerks and just blocking this like they want to let this trouble come in like those bad refugees, we don't know if they are terrorist and we should screen them like those drug dealers from Mexico which is why we need a wall which will be beautiful"
He held the flag. The worst part is how the Pentagon is going to turn down transgendered people no matter how good they are because an orange turd said so.
How long is it until we get a Trump to say this:
"All transgendered employees will be forced to pay a 'bathroom tax' because you want them to stick to 1 bathroom, they could be perverts, and I like the people, very nice people but we've seen perverts from them. In Trump tower we know all the genders of our trans people and they work fine with the tax, beautiful trump tower good working people beautiful scenery. And you know with their surgery for their whatever they should pay tax like Evey American. And the Dems are being jerks and just blocking this like they want to let this trouble come in like those bad refugees, we don't know if they are terrorist and we should screen them like those drug dealers from Mexico which is why we need a wall which will be beautiful"
EYEL1NER
Member
Yeah, but they'll still be able to get jobs after service, which means they would be doing better than if they got the dishonorables that the poster I quoted was betting they would get. Things like buriel benefits, non-GI Bill educational assistance or voc rehab, medical and dental, and more are still better to have than not. The loss of GI Bill benefits is a big deal though.
It's entirely possible that the majority of people get honorable discharges too. The top brass who will have to figure out how to implement the policy have to know it will change again soon, and they have seen the huge number of homosexual veterans who have gotten their General or OTH discharges upgraded or applied to get it done in the wake of DADT repeal (not enough have had their requests approved though, not enough by far, and to my knowledge no one has ever been able to get the Restoring Honor to Service Member acts and bills passed).
I mean, it's a supremely shitty thing to implement period and there is zero reason that trans individuals should not be able to serve. My intention isn't to be like "Oh, if they do get booted out, it isn't a big deal." Fuck Trump/Pence for doing this and fuck Mattis, the rest of the joint chiefs, and the rest of the GOP for not pushing back harder against this. I was just voicing my opinion that dishonorable discharges more than likely won't be handed out.
Hmmmmm so the issue is that the majority (i.e. cis white people) didn't want to pay for a trans-person's sex change surgery, but seem to have no problem paying for Viagra or breast expansion. So transpeople are just flatout kicked out of the military, the one place in the country where socialize medicine is accepted.
So what chance does everyone else have for getting single payer that won't exclude anyone?
But anyway, fuck the disgusting Republicans.
So what chance does everyone else have for getting single payer that won't exclude anyone?
But anyway, fuck the disgusting Republicans.
old manatee
Banned
Donald is just picking on normal people to deflect attention from the fact that he is a subhuman piece of trash.
KernelPanic
Member
All those WH bible studies paying off I see.
Abstrusity
Member
So does it say what makes a transgender individual UNABLE to deploy? Because there are transfolk deployed right now, and they aren't causing problems.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Reminder that it will cost more to replace these troops - hell, just a few hundred of em - than to just pay for their medical needs. The fiscal argument is nonsensical, this is pure hate.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
But someone on Twitter told me Viagra helps with PTSD!
fluffydelusions
Member
That would be shitty af as that will screw you over in jobs later on
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That's not the point at all. The point is medical benefits. It doesn't matter if you "sneak in" if you have a health issue that the military is not equipped for.
This is far beyond a "well, just don't tell them you're X" issue.
And just stating your birth designated sex simply means you're staying in the closet, so you'd be stuck between that or skipping the military. It's a shit position.
HazySaiyan
Banned
Fuck this orange clown and his cronies. Stupid, evil fucks
Than the person would either be a man with trans medical history or a woman with a beard
Your choice which would be worst
NullPointer
Member
Will the "deployability" rule apply to all members of the armed services?
And have there been any details provided on what makes someone undeployable? I don't have a sub to the WSJ so I've only read the quoted bits.
And what is the current policy when it comes to active military personnel with medical needs?
And have there been any details provided on what makes someone undeployable? I don't have a sub to the WSJ so I've only read the quoted bits.
And what is the current policy when it comes to active military personnel with medical needs?
I have seen the deployability rule applied to white males, just depends on the commanding officer pushing it up usually. Usually results in a non recommendation for reenlistment.
There are medical and dental screenings and immunizations that are part of deployability. The guidance the Navy put out on deployability in regards to trans individuals was that they were undeplyable for 12 or 18 months after completing the gender change process. The CO, medical and the individual where supposed to work together for a time to start the gender change process. It really sounded like most of these procedures would be started when individuals were in positions that did not require them to deploy (there is always the chance to be deployed, but the Navy tries to make sure that 'sea duty' and 'shore duty' have a rotation).
Medical needs really depends on the requirements of both the service and the individual. Last year one of the Sailors I know was separated from the service for having a brain tumor. I know people that have been separated for having back problems. The service does tend to do what they can to make sure that service members receive medical care that is required, for everything (except apparently whatever the President decides 'isn't worth it') and will attempt to make sure the member is able to do what is needed.
There really is a lot that goes into discharging members for medical reasons, so if they push for a medical discharge for trans people, there might not be to many that get the boot. If they go for admin separation, well, they can start processing people out tomorrow. Medical discharge involves a board of doctors reviewing the members record and deciding whether the member can be fit for duty or not. Admin separation is legit just paperwork, making sure that the service is legally getting rid of people (alcohol related incidents can lead to admin sep, the last two commands I've been at a DUI leads to an admin sep and the member is usually out in three months)
It might be different for different services, this is what I've seen happen in the Navy.