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[C4.lukin]

Complicated butt shit

 

[Rickyiez]

One is an actual planet while another one is just a big rock . Even with my puddle depth of space knowledge it's pretty obvious .

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Constructing a giant "Gravitron" habitat would still be quite the achievement. One question to ask is how well will the human body fair at say 70-80% earths gravity.

Perhaps I watch too much Isaac Arthur, but I tend to look at mega-projects without much fanfare once sufficiently advanced automation and power generation come online. For God's sake I'm talking about building an orbital ring around the Earth, a Gravitron habitat for a small lunar city to have 1g is child's play.

Hopefully with enough exercise low gravity will trick our bodies into not doing what it does in microgravity, which is very bad from a long-term health perspective. Unfortunately we simply don't know; less than 20 people have spent any time in low gravity, and then never more than a few days at a time. The first people to return on a long term basis are going to be doing one of the most important experiments merely by being there.

 

[Mihos]

Constructing a giant "Gravitron" habitat would still be quite the achievement. One question to ask is how well will the human body fair at say 70-80% earths gravity.

Well, many people need to lose 20 to 30% body weight.... Sounds like a great place to retire

 

[Victor Omega]

Would terraforming the moon interfere with the with ocean or something like that still?

 

[EviLore]

Would terraforming the moon interfere with the with ocean or something like that still?

As long as we don't alter the mass or orbit substantially it would be okay. Terraforming would be difficult, though, because the low mass of the Moon doesn't hold onto an atmosphere. More likely that we'd have pressurized domes as habitats on a portion of the surface.

 

[ultrazilla]

The Moon is already colonized.

It's hollow and is an ancient spaceship. It now servers as a "Deep Space Nine" type facility for alien species that are friendly towards Earth.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

The Moon is already colonized.

It's hollow and is an ancient spaceship. It now servers as a "Deep Space Nine" type facility for alien species that are friendly towards Earth.

The rumor is there were secret military bases up there.

 

[MastaKiiLA]

I think the plan is to colonize both. The moon will act as a gateway to the other planets. I think Elon is really focused on Mars, because it's ambitious, and there are already plans for the moon. The way I see it, it's one of those reach for the start, and if you miss, you land on the clouds type of things. What he's prepping for Mars can easily be accomplished on the moon. Except for the methane farming. Not sure there's a lot of that on the moon.

 

[ultrazilla]

The rumor is there were secret military bases up there.

Also true.

We've had military bases on the Moon but from all the research I've done, the other alien species that work with our government only want peace
for the Earth and actually, many of them have protected it already. Many species simply come here to observe us and mean us no harm and don't want to get involved in mankind's "destiny" aka lives.

There's a reason we have "Space Force" as well. From my understanding/research Space Force's main goal(off the record of course) is to keep the Earth from being invaded by more reptilians and a few other species who are hostile towards our planet. Space Force is working with other Earth friendly species and helping patrol Earth's atmosphere and orbit, keeping watch for rogue ships with evil intentions. Which leads us to............

The "Reptilians" you hear so much about are actually one of the nastiest species of aliens on Earth(shapeshifters) and many friendly species have vowed to help us take them out. The reptilians
are considered a "parasitic" species. They eat humans for food and basically want to control every planet they come across.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Also true.

We've had military bases on the Moon but from all the research I've done, the other alien species that work with our government only want peace
for the Earth and actually, many of them have protected it already. Many species simply come here to observe us and mean us no harm and don't want to get involved in mankind's "destiny" aka lives.

There's a reason we have "Space Force" as well. From my understanding/research Space Force's main goal(off the record of course) is to keep the Earth from being invaded by more reptilians and a few other species who are hostile towards our planet. Space Force is working with other Earth friendly species and helping patrol Earth's atmosphere and orbit, keeping watch for rogue ships with evil intentions. Which leads us to............

The "Reptilians" you hear so much about are actually one of the nastiest species of aliens on Earth(shapeshifters) and many friendly species have vowed to help us take them out. The reptilians
are considered a "parasitic" species. They eat humans for food and basically want to control every planet they come across.

Alien species if they've been observed cause me to suspect simulation argument could be true. Singularity suggests a transition to godlike state imminent, if life exists elsewhere it'd have reached a godlike state by now. Life with boundaries or limitations similar to our own, is very very suspect.

 

[The Pleasure]

Interestingly enough given the Moon's proximity, you could do telepresence with only about a 2.5 second lag. Annoying, but possible.

Dude, I'm not playing virtua fighters jump physics.

 

[West Texas CEO]

The Moon is already colonized.

It's hollow and is an ancient spaceship. It now servers as a "Deep Space Nine" type facility for alien species that are friendly towards Earth.

Also true.

We've had military bases on the Moon but from all the research I've done, the other alien species that work with our government only want peace
for the Earth and actually, many of them have protected it already. Many species simply come here to observe us and mean us no harm and don't want to get involved in mankind's "destiny" aka lives.

There's a reason we have "Space Force" as well. From my understanding/research Space Force's main goal(off the record of course) is to keep the Earth from being invaded by more reptilians and a few other species who are hostile towards our planet. Space Force is working with other Earth friendly species and helping patrol Earth's atmosphere and orbit, keeping watch for rogue ships with evil intentions. Which leads us to............

The "Reptilians" you hear so much about are actually one of the nastiest species of aliens on Earth(shapeshifters) and many friendly species have vowed to help us take them out. The reptilians
are considered a "parasitic" species. They eat humans for food and basically want to control every planet they come across.

 

[blastprocessor]

No atmosphere, anything on the moon would be getting constantly hit by space debris.

I wonder why moon looks like swiss cheese.

 

[-Minsc-]

For God's sake I'm talking about building an orbital ring around the Earth, a Gravitron habitat for a small lunar city to have 1g is child's play

Dyson sphere is where it's at.

Just thinking of the resources to make an orbital ring is frightening. I wonder what a ring would do to the tides?

 

[GeorgioCostanzaX]

I feel like For All Mankind had it right. The moon should be a staging ground for Mars and the stars. If we could build 3D printing at industrial scale or ship parts up the low gravity would cut down on a costs of giant rockets to get us out of earths gravity well.

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

As long as we don't alter the mass or orbit substantially it would be okay. Terraforming would be difficult, though, because the low mass of the Moon doesn't hold onto an atmosphere. More likely that we'd have pressurized domes as habitats on a portion of the surface.

Those pressurized domes would have to be impervious to solar/cosmic radiation and asteroid strikes... which at least for the latter would be pretty impossible to achieve.

We'd have to have underground habs for any kind of long term habitation. Because surface domes being perpetually blasted by solar/cosmic radiation would mean everyone dies of cancer or becomes sterile within the first few years.

 

[iamblades]

I feel like For All Mankind had it right. The moon should be a staging ground for Mars and the stars. If we could build 3D printing at industrial scale or ship parts up the low gravity would cut down on a costs of giant rockets to get us out of earths gravity well.

The moon doesn't save you any ∆v though. The moon is orbiting the sun at the same velocity as earth is, so the ∆v needed for mars transfer is identical(roughly, exact numbers depend on which half of the orbit you are in).

Even assuming a free fuel supply existing on the moon, it would never make sense to go get it if your destination was mars. The burden of trying to build spacecraft on the lunar surface given the limited resources and complete lack of infrastructure is not even close to being justified by the slight amount of ∆v you save going from lunar surface to lunar orbit vs from earth's surface to LEO.

 

[bender]

Neither or viable.

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

My theory: I don’t believe that humans can get very far from the influence of Earth. We can send probes and machines, but going there physically? Madness and death. Even the Moon had effects on the astronauts the short while they were there.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

Dyson sphere is where it's at.

Just thinking of the resources to make an orbital ring is frightening. I wonder what a ring would do to the tides?

Nothing in practical terms. While an orbital ring would be measured in megatons, the Moon is measured in scientific notation.

8.1 x 10^19 tons to be approximate.

 

[Starfield]

The moon doesn't save you any ∆v though. The moon is orbiting the sun at the same velocity as earth is, so the ∆v needed for mars transfer is identical(roughly, exact numbers depend on which half of the orbit you are in).

Even assuming a free fuel supply existing on the moon, it would never make sense to go get it if your destination was mars. The burden of trying to build spacecraft on the lunar surface given the limited resources and complete lack of infrastructure is not even close to being justified by the slight amount of ∆v you save going from lunar surface to lunar orbit vs from earth's surface to LEO.

I think the idea of having a refuel base on the moon and or in lunar orbit is the way to go. For Elon, for Nasa, for pretty much everyone.

 

[NoviDon]

Mars has liquid water in the atmosphere and frozen under the surface. it could be extracted and used to make fuel for energy cells and, agriculture shit. I think it would be alot easier to colonized a sustainable community compared to the moon just for that reason alone.

 

[iamblades]

I think the idea of having a refuel base on the moon and or in lunar orbit is the way to go. For Elon, for Nasa, for pretty much everyone.

That's now how orbital mechanics work though. It may seem counter-intuitive, but from the perspective of the heliocentric transfer obits used to get to basically anywhere else in the solar system lunar orbit is effectively the same location as LEO, it's not on the way to anywhere aside from the moon. Even if there were tanks of rocket fuel just sitting on the moon right now, it would never make sense from an energy perspective to go get it. By stopping at the moon you are effectively wasting half the delta-v that would be needed to go direct to Mars.

 

[Susurrus]

Moon is tied to the earth. If an apocalyptic event happened on Earth that was anything beyond the Earth's surface, it would also take out the moon. If Earth vanishes/explodes, don't expect the moon to stick around. On the other hand, I guess it would be fine if all we're doing is avoiding a zombie apocalypse, so long as we make sure nobody on board an escape pod was bitten.